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Feasting on Fandom: Disney Food Chronicles Part 1

March 26, 2024 · Discuss on the GT Forum

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37: Hosts Ariel and Stefanie embark on a journey through Disney’s culinary delights, from the treats at the Food and Wine Festival at California Adventure, unexpected finds at Disney Channel Nite, to the surprising food merchandise. They navigate the rising prices, sustainability efforts, and the art of indulging at Disney parks. This episode invites listeners to a broader conversation on food and fandom.

Summary

Summary of HPOE37

  1. Introduction (0:11): Stef and Ariel set the stage for a delicious discussion on Disney food, touching on its cultural and social impact.
  2. Disney’s Food and Wine Festival (2:03): They dive into the Food and Wine Festival at California Adventure, expressing surprise over the lack of avocado-themed dishes despite the event’s theme.
  3. Favorite Festival Foods (6:04): The hosts share their top picks and experiences from the festival, including standout dishes.
  4. Merchandise and Marketing (43:46): Discussion shifts to Disney’s strategic merchandising of food-themed products, highlighting the new “Disney Eats” monthly release strategy.
  5. Educational and Therapeutic Use of Food (32:13): They explore how food can be integrated into educational settings and therapy to foster learning, healing, and a deeper understanding of cultural identity.
  6. Closing Thoughts (45:49): The episode wraps up with details on an upcoming panel discussion at WonderCon and an invitation for listeners to share their favorite Disney foods and food fandoms.
Transcription

00:11 – 00:17
Hello, everyone. Welcome to the Happiest Pod On Earth. I’m Stef. I’m an educator who uses passions and fandoms to help my

00:17 – 00:20
students grow and learn about themselves and the world around them.

00:20 – 00:27
And I’m Ariel, a licensed therapist who uses clients’ passions and fandoms to help them grow and heal from trauma and mental illness.

00:27 – 00:31
Here at Happiest Pod, we dissect Disney mediums with a critical lens.

00:31 – 00:37
Why? Because we’re more than just Stefanie, and we expect more from the mediums we consume. Speaking of consuming, what are

00:37 – 00:38
we discussing today, Steph?

00:38 – 00:46
What a perfect word to describe what we are talking about today. We are talking about food, specifically Disney food, obviously.

00:46 – 00:52
But I feel like this is a long time coming. We have not touched upon this. Despite the fact that we’ve done multiple panels

00:52 – 01:02
at Comic Con about food and its impact culturally, socially, mentally, physically, I mean, everything. Food is life. Right?

01:02 – 01:03
That’s the saying. Yes.

01:03 – 01:10
And then we did a presentation at Geek Therapy’s tags on using food in the classroom and using food in the therapy and talking

01:10 – 01:18
about ways to address individuals who might have various forms of eating disorders or individuals who want to embrace the

01:18 – 01:19
culture of their food, but they don’t know how.

01:19 – 01:27
Mhmm. Food itself has many different dimensions. I mean, people love it. They make livings around it. We love to consume it.

01:27 – 01:35
It brings people together. I mean, as you said, I talked about how food in the classroom and food when it comes to translating

01:35 – 01:41
what it means for kids is so important as they grow and develop, and their relationship with food too. So I think it is fitting

01:41 – 01:47
as we are coming into the spring season now here in California, and specifically

01:54 – 02:03
in in as, like, something to drive people to get to the parks, which has definitely worked on me. Yes. Okay. So starting with

02:03 – 02:10
the park specifically, right now we are during the middle or just starting food and wine festival, which I don’t think we’ve

02:10 – 02:12
talked about on the show before. Correct?

02:12 – 02:19
No. We haven’t. We’ve done many different events that are very similar to Food and Wine, but correct me if I’m wrong, everyone

02:19 – 02:26
out there, and, you know, my to my cohost as well. I feel like food and wine festival was kind of like the genesis of people

02:26 – 02:33
coming to the park specifically to have specialty foods, specialty wine and beverage, especially since California Adventure

02:33 – 02:40
in itself. I think going with the theme of California and how we are, what, the largest in the United States of America, and

02:40 – 02:46
that we have such a large culinary scene. We have many celebrity chefs who live out here and make a living out here. They

02:46 – 02:52
really wanted to capitalize that with the California theme. So, you know, you see there’s a winery in the middle of the park.

02:52 – 03:00
You can drink alcohol in the park. There’s specialty restaurants like the Trattoria, which is Italian inspired. You have different

03:00 – 03:05
areas of the park where you can get different sorts of regional foods that you wouldn’t otherwise find at Disneyland.

03:05 – 03:14
And this year’s theme is it’s avocado time, avocado shaped like clock. Interestingly, though, there are not many avocado items

03:14 – 03:21
or that that’s not the main ingredient in most of the dishes, at least what we saw on the menu and what we tried. I don’t

03:21 – 03:27
remember, like, avocado being so featured, and yet that is the theme and that is the merchandise. Which yeah.

03:27 – 03:32
I think this is the first time they had a hard theme for Food and Wine Festival. Normally, it’s just, here, come try regional

03:32 – 03:37
foods. It’s happening. And for all of you who don’t know about the Food food and wine festival, basically, every single year,

03:37 – 03:44
they line the main veranda, the main street of California Adventure Park. They line them up with these little booths that

03:44 – 03:50
you can purchase small kind of tapas like items, very small. You can share them if you want. But, yeah, the food and wine

03:50 – 03:57
festival gets you certain dishes that you can use the little tabs to redeem. It does exclude alcohol, and it does exclude

03:58 – 04:04
some other dishes that you would have to go to the restaurant to get. So it’s not just the little booths that have themed

04:04 – 04:11
items, but also the restaurants that already serve things like in San Fransokyo or the plaza in the back, the garden plaza,

04:11 – 04:16
I think, but not necessarily with the little sip and saver pests. A lot of rules.

04:16 – 04:33
Yeah. Which I think is a a little the marketing, is I feel like this year, it’s expanded even more in more tiny booths. I

04:33 – 04:39
think last year, I don’t remember as many booths. You can correct me if I’m wrong, but I just feel like it it’s grown in the

04:39 – 04:46
amount of options. It’s that you don’t have to go up to the booth to order your, like, each individual item. You can just

04:46 – 04:52
find 1 booth, order them all there, take your tickets, and go retrieve them, which is such a time saver. Because when I first

04:52 – 04:57
did food and wine fast with you, I remember waiting in each line to try and get our food.

04:57 – 05:03
Yeah. Like, you would basically be hungry by the time you got to the next thing. And you would keep just getting hungry and

05:03 – 05:10
then being satiated and then hungry again. But that comes with a disclaimer too because as I learned during lunar new year,

05:10 – 05:18
you can only get certain things pre ordered. And some things are excluded from that, which I unfortunately had not the best

05:18 – 05:23
interaction with a cast member when it came to that. I think because it was so busy, this was during lunar new year, and I

05:23 – 05:30
did not know the rules. And the little booklet that they give you kind of explains it, but I think they did a better job explaining

05:30 – 05:35
it this time for food and wine festival. But, yeah, you have to look for the little there’s like an icon that says where you

05:35 – 05:42
can pre order things. And if that item doesn’t have an icon, you’re most likely gonna have to stand in line. But I think it

05:42 – 05:51
is a, a step forward in trying to save people money and time. Because not only are you foregoing writing things and foregoing

05:52 – 05:59
other experiences to do this, but you are also, you know, if you have a park hopper, this is like the majority of your time

05:59 – 06:04
just trying to figure out what you’re gonna eat and where you’re gonna eat it at. Mhmm.

06:04 – 06:11
So in the Food and Wine Fest, maybe, like, in the past now, what comes up to your mind as, like, the top eats that you’ve

06:11 – 06:14
had or maybe, like, the different kiosks or booths that you prefer to

06:16 – 06:22
stop at? So I think they have organized it, like, consistently over the years. I always know there’s a spicy booth, which

06:22 – 06:29
I avoid at all costs. I know that there is one that’s dedicated to like a beer flight and a wine flight, which back then I’d

06:29 – 06:36
be like, let’s get it all. But now I’m like, okay, I’m gonna choose between the 2. But there’s also one that always has, like,

06:36 – 06:43
the most savory dishes. I think before they’ve had, like, Filipino pork belly over garlic rice. That’s one of my favorites.

06:43 – 06:50
Only because I was so surprised that they were doing cultural foods in addition to just, you know, California cuisine, which

06:50 – 06:57
I can never define myself being from California. They always California cuisine. Okay. But that’s one of my favorites. I know

06:57 – 07:04
they’ve also had a, I’ve also had, like, a burrito. I think it’s also pork belly. Clearly eat a lot of pork. My favorite dishes

07:04 – 07:10
are the ones that you get the most bang for your buck, which comes with, you know, like, a good protein and, like, a good

07:10 – 07:12
side. How about you?

07:13 – 07:18
I always like anything with the mac and cheese. I’ve so far, I’ve never not enjoyed a mac and cheese. Well, that’s what we

07:18 – 07:25
tried in this most recent Food and Wine Fest. And then, usually, the desserts are good, but there’s always, like, a cream

07:25 – 07:32
type dessert. There’s always a, I would say, like, a cookie type dessert. I remember, like, the macaroons being, like, the

07:32 – 07:38
things that I enjoy the most, and they’re huge. They’re always huge Mickey shaped macaroons. However, I think we tried a dessert

07:38 – 07:46
this year that was just sub par. So when we go back for dapper day, we’re gonna have to reclaim the dessert section, go through

07:46 – 07:51
it. I think there was like a passion fruit one that someone said that they liked, so we might try that, I think, this year.

07:51 – 07:58
Yeah. Definitely. And if you would like to know what that was, if you are going to Food and Wine Festival, we did try the

07:58 – 08:07
lemon olive oil cake. It was lemony. It wasn’t very olive oily. It was kinda dry, to be honest. And it pales in comparisons

08:07 – 08:09
to all the other Disney desserts that we’ve had. And I think that’s

08:10 – 08:15
Can you explain, like, what an olive oil cake is? Because I don’t know if some people might know what that is. They might

08:15 – 08:17
think olive oil only with cooking.

08:17 – 08:23
Right. Yeah. So olive oil cake is something specifically in Italian cooking because they use olive oil so much in their baking

08:23 – 08:30
and cooking that they add olive oil to a traditional cake mix to make it more moist. So if you imagine, like, the most moist

08:30 – 08:36
cake you’ve ever had. Even the like, if it’s like a birthday cake or even, you know, like a small layered cake. Imagine that,

08:36 – 08:44
but more savory because it has the olive oil in it. So I’ve had olive oil cake in Italian re delectable, and every bite is

08:44 – 08:52
just it’s full. It’s like very rich. And normally, I see it in chocolate cakes. I’ve never really had an olive oil cake that

08:52 – 08:58
wasn’t chocolate. I’ve seen them, but I’ve haven’t had them personally. But it brings out so many more notes of the chocolate

08:58 – 09:03
because chocolate is so multidimensional. But, yeah, I thought that I was gonna get the same experience with this lemon olive

09:03 – 09:11
oil cake, and I was thirsty after the first bite. I’m like, what is going on? It was cute, though. It was cute.

09:11 – 09:18
It was very photogenic, very worthy. And I think that was I think, like, back to other food and wine fests that we’ve had

09:18 – 09:24
or other events at the park that had food featured in them, there’s always, like, a hit or a miss. Right? And I remember the

09:24 – 09:28
last food and wine fest, a bread thing that had hot dogs in it was not it.

09:28 – 09:32
I was thinking I wanna say it was the Chinese sausage one, but I’m not sure.

09:32 – 09:39
Yes. Yes. That was it. That was it. It was okay. Yeah. I just I remember not liking that. And then it’s new in the park now,

09:39 – 09:46
but we tried it at Disney Channel night. It was the Mickey shaped pretzel pepperoni thing. I don’t know if the pepperoni pretzel.

09:46 – 10:02
It’s cute. It’s not it didn’t taste, like, amazing or wonderful. I I I you’re supposed for me. But on Disney Channel night,

10:02 – 10:07
we definitely tried unreal, really good item. That was a surprise that we didn’t even expect.

10:07 – 10:14
Delicious things I’ve ever had in my history of going to Disneyland. So much so that I am determined now to make it myself.

10:14 – 10:19
So I know we’re gonna talk about Disney Channel night on another episode, but I do have to mention this because it was just

10:19 – 10:21
it blew us all away.

10:21 – 10:21
Yes.

10:21 – 10:28
So everything that night had a nineties theme to it. So like Ariel said, the pepperoni pizza kind of like eating pizza bagels

10:28 – 10:31
after school. Yeah. That’s what I likened it to. Yeah.

10:31 – 10:37
And they had a cosmic brownie, you know, adult cosmic brownie, which does not mean there’s cannabis in

10:38 – 10:45
it. It’s not what made it a little. I think it is, because okay. So that’s really funny that you mentioned that. Because Cosmic

10:45 – 10:51
Brownie is a little Debbie Brownie and but because it was Disney Channel night and everything’s basically like late nineties

10:51 – 10:58
early 2 the y two k thing. So no. It did not have fun stuff in it and I don’t think Disney’s ever gonna do that for us. But

10:58 – 11:04
No. They had that. They had a version of TV dinners. Things that you would basically watch if you were watching Disney Channel

11:04 – 11:08
after school. Yeah. Things you would eat. They yeah. Things you would eat. And then they would theme some of them after some

11:08 – 11:16
of the movies. And because not every movie was represented, either with like a backdrop or with, you know, an, like an experience,

11:17 – 11:24
they made some of the food themes. So what we had was the Johnny Tsunami hot dog. And basically, what it was, was it was Hawaiian

11:24 – 11:32
rolls as the bread. It was Portuguese sausage, which is very popular and very common to find in Hawaii. And it also had chopped

11:32 – 11:40
up macaroni salad, which is a very Hawaiian thing, and chopped up pineapples. And I’m gonna refrain from any but it was so

11:40 – 11:43
delicious. I think we all looked at each other like, what? What?

11:43 – 11:49
We were shocked. And it was not something that we were thinking of getting originally because all the top items were at the

11:49 – 11:55
Hungry Hungry Bear, restaurant, and everyone was ordering on the app. That was pretty much the only way you were gonna get

11:55 – 12:02
your food. And so I wanted to try and find something, and I saw that the refreshments cafe had the Johnny tsunami sandwich,

12:02 – 12:09
and I was like, that sounds cool. So it wasn’t even on our list and it of, like, high items to get. It on the when I was looking

12:09 – 12:14
at the map that we were given, it wasn’t pictured. There were, like, food items they were highlighting. It wasn’t one that

12:14 – 12:19
they were highlighting. But I was just like, okay. This will be for us to all have something different when we sit down and

12:19 – 12:23
eat. And I’m so glad we got it because it was the best thing.

12:23 – 12:30
It was the best thing. And, I mean, we were just hungry at this point because we had been lighting up for all sorts of, like,

12:30 – 12:36
photo ops and nonsense. It was already, like, getting into the night, and we were there watching Perry the Platypus just,

12:36 – 12:41
like, rile up this crowd, and we’re just like we need to eat. And we’re all just on our apps, the 4 of us, and we’re just

12:41 – 12:48
like what can we order like right now? And then so Ariel split up and went over to the refreshment corner. We got stuff from the Tomorrowland Terrace.

12:48 – 12:49
Galactic Grill?

12:49 – 12:54
And Galactic Grill. Yep. Yep. Yep. And, yeah, like, when we all put all of our food together, that was literally, like, I

12:54 – 12:57
could have fought somebody for that. Yes.

12:57 – 13:00
Yes. That’s so good. Totally. Be a staple.

13:00 – 13:07
Absolutely. And Johnny Tsunami is one of my favorite Disney Channel movies of all time and underrated, obviously, but they

13:07 – 13:11
really redeemed it at Disney Channel night with this hot dog. It was so good.

13:11 – 13:18
Well, and speaking of, like, the park foods, what I mean, there are popular snacks that people go to get regularly. So when

13:18 – 13:22
you go to Disneyland, what do you immediately think I have to eat?

13:22 – 13:30
I mean, I have to have a corn dog. And now I know that you and I get corn dogs at different places. We do. We do. So, Ariel,

13:30 – 13:33
where do you get your corn dogs? Because I know you’re a corn dog fan.

13:33 – 13:41
Oh, I get it at the stage door. Yes. Yes. Yes. I get it at the stage door, and I don’t sit in I used to sit inside and watch

13:41 – 13:47
the show. Now I’m just, like, at their mobile pickup area, and I’m grabbing it and going. I and I honestly thought that was

13:47 – 13:50
the only place that you could get a corn dog and then I talked to you.

13:50 – 13:56
So I get mine from the little red cart before it was called the little red cart. It was just literally the corn dog cart because

13:56 – 14:03
they have the best breading and it’s always fresh, but there’s always a line. Now there used to not be a line back when I

14:03 – 14:10
would get it as a kid. But, yeah, it’s literally they only have corn dogs. And I also get the fried chicken right behind it.

14:10 – 14:17
Because that fried chicken is so good, and it’s like the best meal for, like, when you’re probably more than halfway through

14:17 – 14:25
your day at the park, and you just need the most hearty thing. And you get 2 pieces of fried chicken with a side of veggies,

14:25 – 14:32
mashed potatoes. And it is so good for families because you can share. And in the morning, I think is a buffet, but later

14:32 – 14:39
on you can walk up cafeteria style. And those are like my two favorite things to eat at the park for like the morning and

14:39 – 14:46
the afternoon time. But the clam chowder is also one of my staples. I have to get clam chowder if I can hack it. Even if it’s

14:46 – 14:53
a hot day. I’ll wait until, like, midnight to right before they close to get clam chowder over at the Royal Street Veranda

14:53 – 14:55
right next to Pirates of the Caribbean.

14:56 – 15:04
Okay. I’m less meal oriented and more, like, snack oriented, so I always get a mint julep and beignets. And I’ll try the seasonal

15:04 – 15:12
ones, but I really always just like a regular beignet and a mint julep. And always pop corn. Sometimes sometimes I’m buying

15:12 – 15:18
the popcorn buckets. Right? And that’s an extension of, like, food fandom is buying, like, themed popcorn buckets, but I’m

15:18 – 15:25
pretty much always eating a popcorn. Used to always eat a churro. Now I really like more of the salty flavor. And if I get

15:25 – 15:27
a churro, it’s because someone’s splitting with me. Mhmm.

15:27 – 15:36
Yeah. I have a good friend. He is the churro connoisseur. Every time he goes to Disneyland, I think we had to it was either

15:36 – 15:42
a challenge that that he was gonna eat, like, all the churros, but I think it was at the time where they were raising churro

15:42 – 15:45
prices. Because once upon a time, churros used to only be 3.75.

15:46 – 15:47
And now it’s what?

15:47 – 15:55
Up to $7 now, I think. Is that right? Mhmm. Mhmm. That is wild to me. And I think because now they have themed churros. Right?

15:55 – 16:02
Well and I I think with the corn dog and the churros, something that you have shared with me is that your sister-in-law talks

16:02 – 16:08
about sustainability at the parks. And so if you are somebody who doesn’t want to have, like, high waste, that would those

16:08 – 16:14
would be good items to get because the corn dog is just on a stick and the churro is just in a little flimsy paper. Right?

16:14 – 16:21
Yeah. Definitely. And they’re portable, so you’re really, like, consuming these things as you’re waiting in line for a ride

16:21 – 16:28
or if you’re waiting for the parade, or, you know, some sort of attraction that requires you just standing around, it’s very

16:28 – 16:35
convenient. So I think Stefanie with managing expectations, as we’ve talked about before, you really wanna put that in the

16:35 – 16:41
forefront of your mind before you figure out your food route. I would just reserve days to just eat and not do anything else.

16:41 – 16:48
I would just have Disney food days, where, like, we would go over to Trader Sam’s over at the Disneyland Hotel, and we would

16:48 – 16:57
get a reservation there. And Trader Sam’s is a really cool tiki bar that’s interactive and you can get not just, you know,

16:57 – 17:05
very good alcoholic drinks, but they do have a lot of Polynesian food that you can get only there and not at the park. So

17:05 – 17:10
I would go over there, and then we would just go up and down main street and just try food. But I know if you are just going

17:10 – 17:16
for like a 3 day trip or maybe just a one day trip, it’s really hard to do all of that stuff. You really have to be mindful

17:16 – 17:18
of where you’re going.

17:18 – 17:24
And I think that portability you talked about is important because it also depends on the type of theme park attendee you

17:24 – 17:31
are. If you are not an annual pass holder and this is about the only time you’re gonna make it to the park or if you are flying

17:31 – 17:38
in, you may not want to do a reservation. It might be good if you wanna take a break, but if you’re trying to get on as many

17:38 – 17:44
rides as you can, you might want to bring your own snacks or get some of the snacks that you can walk around with, or split

17:44 – 17:50
up your party depending on how big it is and have some sit down and have some wait in line and do a switch.

17:50 – 17:56
Yeah. And I do like how you mentioned that because, yes, the food prices have changed drastically in the past couple years.

17:56 – 18:04
So if you are on a budget, which I have been, I remember going to Disneyland with just $20 to spend, grabbing snacks and,

18:04 – 18:12
you know, packing your own meal. That’s totally doable. I’ve seen many people on social media even bring their own rice to

18:12 – 18:19
a company with their food because some food just tastes better with rice and even condiments, their own tortillas, fried chick

18:19 – 18:25
yeah. All of that stuff. I think, you know, Disney is not a big stickler for bringing in snacks, obviously, because there

18:25 – 18:31
are lots of kids that go to the park and, you know, they would like specific snacks that you might not find. And also milk

18:31 – 18:37
and juice is very expensive at the park. So I always bring my own for my kids and, you know, little things for them to snack

18:37 – 18:43
on while they’re waiting for a ride or a parade or something. You know, really being mindful of how much you wanna spend at

18:43 – 18:51
the park, knowing that a churro is 6 to $7 now. If you’re getting a meal and you are spending at least $20 for yourself for

18:51 – 19:00
a meal. And if you are so lucky to get a dinner reservation at the Blue Bayou or, you know, somewhere really fancy like Carthay

19:00 – 19:07
Circle, you would need to factor that into your culinary day. Not to say that none of it is worth it because it’s all worth

19:07 – 19:12
it. But, you know, just just so that you know what you’re getting into is the biggest thing.

19:12 – 19:19
Yeah. I I think when it comes to specifically planning the parks and making sure that you have both the time, but also the

19:19 – 19:26
energy. One of the things that was is always surprising to me is how much I can eat when I’m at Disneyland compared to at

19:26 – 19:32
home. Because of all the walking I’m doing, I need to sort of make sure that I’m always putting something in my system to

19:32 – 19:38
be able to have the energy to do all of the park things. The thing is if you go on the app and you look at the reservations,

19:38 – 19:46
it will list vegetarian or vegan options. It will list allergy friendly options, but it’ll also list the, restaurants that

19:46 – 19:53
have cross contamination. So if your allergy is very severe, that’s another reason why people will also bring in their own

19:53 – 19:59
food to ensure safety, and why Disney isn’t going to say, like, no to other people bringing in their own snacks and food.

19:59 – 20:05
So you could pretty much bring your own. I know that Steph, you have brought, like, a cooler and put it into with ice in it

20:05 – 20:12
and put it into the lockers before, keep, like, licking drinks cold, and then had, like, a designated time to go and grab

20:12 – 20:13
the food and picnic.

20:13 – 20:20
Yeah. Way back when I was younger. Obviously, Disneyland was cheaper. But, you know, as, you know, my mom was very frugal,

20:20 – 20:26
she would pack us lunch and we would keep it in a locker. And right next to Disneyland entrance and the lockers is a picnic

20:26 – 20:33
area. And we would bring like, you know, any sorts of food. I remember one time we brought even El Pollo Loco to the parks.

20:33 – 20:38
And, we would take it out and then we would eat it for lunch so that we didn’t have to buy food there at the park and then

20:38 – 20:44
we would just reenter. I was no stranger to that other when I was younger. I still see people do it now, especially if they’re

20:44 – 20:50
going on like a school group or, you know, like a like a small organization where, like, the kids are going for, like, a certain

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thing. Girl scouts, boy scouts, I’ve seen them all use that picnic area. And, you know, you don’t need to reserve it. It’s

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just kinda like a park, like an actual park. And you you could just chill there and then eat and then just put your stuff

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right back in the locker. And they won’t ask you for, you know, any sort of time limit or anything like that. They still have

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it to this day, which is really cool.

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Yeah. So we’ve talked about food in the park. It’s bringing your own and then special foods. We’ve talked about food events

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in the park. And as we mentioned that food is more than, like, fandom wise, more than just the food. There’s also the food

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that is themed and food that we wanna try that is in our favorite shows and movies. Mhmm. So I’m curious for you. In the parks,

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when there are themed foods based off of stuff, like, what comes to your mind when you think of that? Because I think of,

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like, going into the the the pizza place in

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What is it called? It

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called? Yeah. Pizza Planet. Yeah. I think of Pizza Planet when I think of, like, a food that was from a movie or show that

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now I might have access to or the shawarma cart in Avengers. In Avengers campus over at California Adventure. Like, those

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are are, like, places that now I’m getting to actually visit.

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Mhmm. I immediately think of the blue bantha milk. That’s the first thing that comes to mind. Because, I mean, when they made

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Galaxy’s Edge, it was so immersive and that was so different from everything. Because when I went to, you know, my idea of

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going to Disneyland is going to different regions of the world. So if I were in New Orleans Square, I knew I was gonna get

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like gumbo or jambalaya or something beignets that I don’t normally get here in LA. Or even if I went to like adventure land,

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I’ll get like, you know, Dole whip because I don’t normally have Dole whip back home. So when blue bantha milk came up at

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Galaxy’s Edge, I was like, this is like a Star Wars food that is now in my hand. Like, that’s wild. Like, it’s crazy to me.

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And I was like, what is it even made of? Do I even care at this point? I don’t care. It’s golden. It tastes delicious. I Tastes

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like a Jolly Rancher. Looks like. It tastes like a Jolly Rancher. And I love that it has, like, almond milk options. Like,

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it’s nondairy. And it’s super refreshing because I remember it being so hot when Galaxy’s Edge opened that I was constantly

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just, like, thirsty and sweaty. But, yeah, I think they did a really great job with not just the Bantha milk at Galaxy’s Edge,

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but also the ronto wraps there, because it really takes you out out of you know, this is regular food that we find here, obviously,

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because I can make it in a kitchen and the world that we live in. But I can think I’m eating something else, and I don’t attune

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it to a specific culture. This is purely fantastical, and I thought that was really cool. Yes.

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Yeah. I think fantastical for me would also spoon. It was hilarious. And, again, even though it was real food, it was the

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thought that it might have been, like, expanded or shrunk down.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I have a little bone to pick with that tiny, tiny egg. Being so hungry in the morning, I’m like, I want

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breakfast. And of course, you’re going for the novelty of it. Right? But like when I got this quarter size of an egg, I’m

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pretty sure it’s a quail egg because there is no way that you got that from a chicken. I was like, what is this? What how

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much did I pay for this? But then you see the gigantic pretzel and how it’s like hanging off of like a hook and it’s like

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the size of my torso. And you’re like, alright. This is worth

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it. Yeah.

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Yeah. There’s a lot of pretzels.

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And the ridiculously large chicken patty. That was my best.

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I think yeah. It’s as big as your head. I’m pretty sure whatever chicken that came from was like the largest chicken in the

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country. But, yeah, you’re right. PIMS test get I think they got really creative with that. And, I mean, the novelty of it,

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it just it stuck because it was so cool. I know that there’s the Pizza Planet’s really good too, but I wish they had an arcade

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in there because Pizza Planet in my mind was like a Chuck E. Cheese almost or, you know, an amusement center. So I think if

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they had that, that would definitely, like, create the whole entire scenario for myself.

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I still and maybe this is over in Paris Disney, but I wish that they had a Remy’s kitchen of some kind for, like, French cuisine

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from rats at doing in in our park.

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No. They do in Paris.

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I think of Disney and food, that’s that Tiana and Remy are what come up in my mind as, like, the movies for Disney and food. Yes.

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I have had the privilege to go to land Paris and yes, they do have a restaurant that you have to reserve for. It’s at the

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end of the Ratatouille ride. But I haven’t been, but I will try to go this time when I go to Disney World. But now that they

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have the ratatouille ride in the Paris part of Epcot, I know that they have food as well right next to it because they’ve

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always had Parisian food there, and I’ve had it there. But I just don’t know if they do Tatooi or, like, something from the

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movie. But I will find out, and I will report back to you. Yes. But, yes, Tiana’s Kitchen. Okay. I’m gonna get a little I’m

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gonna get a little critical now because

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Oh, well, we did say we examined with a critical lens.

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Yes. I was so excited for Tiana’s kitchen. I mean, it just made sense to make that area in front of haunted mansion into her

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place. And now that they’re doing Tiana’s Bayou ride, which is formally Splash Mountain, I was so excited for the food. However,

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I took a trip to New Orleans earlier

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at the

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end of last year.

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A bad move.

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Bad move. But I’ve always wanted to visit New Orleans, and it is a beautiful city. If you ever get to go, oh my gosh. It is

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full of culture, full of life. The food is out of this world. Just everything that you imagine that you saw while you were

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watching princess and the frog, that’s literally what it comes with with the music and the spices and just their use of seafood

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and everything. It was so good. And then I tried Tiana’s kitchen. And man, I was like, this is not as good as what I wanted

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it to be. I know that Disney tries its best to represent regional food and they’ve done that very successfully. In many ways,

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we just mentioned the Polynesian Johnny tsunami dog, which hit it out of the park. But I think to pay homage to New Orleans,

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which is such a huge culinary city, I think they definitely need to step it up a little bit. I get it. There’s demand out

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there. It’s always busy. You can only churn out so many beignets and so much gumbo and so much shrimp and grits at once. But

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Yeah. Because they’ve done such a good job at California Food and Wine Festival, I definitely think that they can do a little

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bit more improvement because my shrimp and grits were okay. I ate it, but it was lacking seasoning. It was lacking depth.

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It was, you you know, the portion was good. But I think the one thing that I the only thing that I liked was probably the

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vegetable gumbo because kinda can’t go wrong with that. And I know, Ariel, you had this was the lemon icebox beignet, which

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ended up being kinda sloppy and wet by the end of it because of all of the, you know, icing. But I know you had it. So Yes.

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What was your opinion on it?

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It tasted good, but you would have to eat it right away. I would say that’s something that you should order second, like,

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go back and get it versus ordering it with your meal unless your meal is that dessert or you eat fast. A beignet is just as

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good as warm as it can be. Like, that that’s pretty much it. And then when you have a liquid, like, if it’s stuffed with something

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or has a cream of some kind, that’s going to detract from, like, the fried part of the beignet. I would say Tiana’s place

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is where you want to go if you want to meet a princess and you cannot wait in line. So it’s a great for accommodations, especially

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if you’re, like, a wheelchair user or if you are a walker user. That’s gonna be a place where you can sit down because Tiana

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comes to your table, and she comes to every table. She will talk to you. She will take pictures with you. And if she asks

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you about the food, she’ll joke with you. Like, that’s the immersive part of that environment. The food and I have seen, some

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cast members who are, who work in the kitchens, who are chefs or sous chefs or, cooks in the kitchen, and they have said that

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they cannot make the buy spicy simply because they get so many complaints about it. So if you’re looking for, like, authentic

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Creole New Orleans cuisine, don’t go to Disneyland. Like, that’s the fantasy. If you are looking for just something that will

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satiate you, that tastes fine, it’s not bad, and you can meet a Disney princess without having to leave your seat, that’s

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what you’re gonna wanna do with Tiana’s place. And and you talked about, like, the spicy cart over. I think the other thing

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what, people have said online is because more people, if they have to choose to visit a park, will choose Disneyland only,

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that they cater to a general audience. Whereas the California Adventure does have the opportunity to cater really towards

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California natives and people in the West Coast, which means that their food gets to be more expansive. And when you have

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when you have an event of some kind, like you said, it’s limited in how much they’re gonna make. Whereas a kitchen that is

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going to stay has to keep churning out the same thing, and it has to taste the same every single time. So Absolutely. It’s

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a worthwhile criticism. If you’ve never been to New Orleans, you’re not gonna know the difference. If you have been to New

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Orleans, you’re gonna know the difference.

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Right. You are definitely right. I think the experience of meeting Tiana there, unfortunately, started coming down and like

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many normally when rain happens, many of the characters, many of those experiences just go away. And so we really wanted to

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try it because last time when we were to try it, which is funny enough before I went to New Orleans, I missed the closing

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of the restaurant because it was still new. And it closed at 8, and we had gotten over there at, like, 9. And I’m like, oh,

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dang. It’s closed now. So, I mean, that would have definitely been a different experience. But at the same time, I think that

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you’re right. Disneyland catering to a general audience is what they’re there for, because they are the ones this is the original.

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There’s only so much that Disneyland can do, which is why they have specialty places like California Adventure or mainly even

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EPCOT. I know that I’ve had such great regional food over at EPCOT at Disney World because they have chefs from that specific

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country. They have people who work there from that specific country that are on, like, a Disney college program or, you know,

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through Disney so that they can share their culture with the world. So there are different ways that Disney is trying to represent

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different countries in very respectable ways. But I think Stefanie this would probably be a gateway into, let me see what

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creole food is actually like. But I think that little voice in the back of my head knowing that Tiana was a chef and that

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she was very proud of her food and the whole movie was her trying to achieve her dreams of making that restaurant. If I knew

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Tiana, maybe she wouldn’t have approved some of these dishes.

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Yes. Yeah. I think if we’re talking about bringing the movie to life, that was not it, and that’s that’s fair.

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The outside is gorgeous, though. The outside is absolutely gorgeous, especially at night. It’s so pretty.

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Yes. We can agree on that. And there’s room for improvement. Right? It’s still technically new.

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Absolutely. Yes.

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That’s I think that’s gonna be the saving graces. We’ll probably see the food evolve and get hopefully better. And I I do

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think you also highlight, like, even though the foods at the parks are expensive, even if you go to, you know, Epcot in Walt

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Disney World, like, you may not have the money to travel to another country. This may be the only time you get to experience

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other cultures. So even if it isn’t quote unquote authentic, which really hard to be if you’re not if you don’t even have

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access to the food that your region would

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have. Absolutely.

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For the most part, this is a great way to introduce, like, students, to introduce people to different cultures and different

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cultural cuisines and talk about, you know, acceptance and diversity. I know that we’ve talked about this on the panel. Can

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you share, like, your experience in the classroom and with students when it comes to diverse foods or trying to celebrate

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different cultures and through their cuisine? Cuisine.

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Yeah. Definitely. I know that whenever you introduce food that is not school lunch into your classroom And really, like for

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the campus, it’s always a special occasion. I’m so lucky that I work for a school that highlights diversity, inclusion, and

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just, embracing the different cultures that make up Los Angeles. And I did want to note that too, because California is such

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a great place to its populations of cultures that have enclaves that have been here for decades, 100 of years, that, you know,

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we can get authentic Oaxacan food just down the street. So I always tell my students that, you know, food is a part of not

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just everyday life, but a part of your identity. So whenever we have cultural events, we normally have festivals that highlight

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Asian American foods, traditionally black foods. We do a good job, I think, in making that effort. So, yeah, I think that

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introducing students to that is really important. And any sort of way that I can do that, whether it be making guacamole in

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the classroom or trying out different types of bread, incorporating that into, like, a history or social science lesson, because

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food is just a part of history. And if we’re, you know, if we’re losing some of those history lessons, at least we get to

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do it in the everyday things that we eat. So, yeah, I mean, I’m pretty thankful that I get to do that. I know not other schools,

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some of them don’t get to do that. But, I mean, for you and your practice, do you ever get to talk about what food means to

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them and the relationship that people have with food in regards to their mental health?

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Yes. So, I know that a lot of my clients have experienced, like, grief and loss. And one of the ways that they will reconnect

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with the individual that has passed is they will make favorite dishes that either were significant to that person or significant

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to, like, the family and their tradition and passing down recipes. I have some clients who have some difficult experiences.

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And so trying to reclaim, like, a positive relationship with the food is not only highlighting how it does connect to your

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culture, but making it, like, fun, play based. Kitchen where my coffee area is, I have a funko of Deadpool as a barista. Like,

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that’s how I’ve, like, made the kitchen fun and silly. And then I used to watch Gilmore Girls, so I have a funko of Suki.

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And I have, a toadstool as a chef. And so they’re over by my by my stove. They’re helping me cook. And so I do that with my

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my clients. It’s, like, we talk about ways to, like, a little bit more exciting. We talk about, you know I don’t give nutritional

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advice. It’s not within my scope, but we talk about how they can enjoy, like, the food that they’re eating. Maybe it’s, like,

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put more colors on the plate. Maybe it’s I think the common phrasing nutritionalists use is have what you like, add what you

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need. So we you know, I’ll have them talk to their nutritionalists and see, like, what could we say that we like and then

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add what we need. And maybe some of the things we like is, like, I will change the peanut butter and jelly sandwich to the

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shape of, like, a Mario star or, like, the the, castle at Disneyland so that I’m still eating enough protein with the peanut

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butter, but I don’t want the crust. And it’s like, okay. You don’t have to have the crust. And I’ve noticed that that is the

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best way to reincorporate food as not just nutritional you actually appreciate it and not just the fact that it is something

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you put, like, in your body, and it’s just the something you check off the box of, like, how you stay alive. But instead,

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like, you are looking forward to it. You’re savoring it. A lot of the work we do is also mindfulness based. I don’t know how

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many times I’ve, like, had clients, like, stop and pause and, like, really smell their coffee, hold the warmth in their hand,

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like, hold the flavor in their mouth, see if they can describe it. Those are the ways in which slowing down and accessing

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more language makes it easier in the long run when it comes to healing and and working through trauma and talk therapy.

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Yeah. I love that you mentioned slowing down and enjoying your food just to enjoy it, because not many people do that. I know

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for me as a mom, I I stopped sitting down to eat. I I eat standing up all the time. And many other moms can relate because

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you just the minute you sit down, somebody will ask you for something, somebody needs someone someone starts crying or somebody

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gets hurt. So I it’s been a while since I’ve done that. And lucky for me, when I go to Disneyland, because it’s either I’m

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with friends or with other people. I mean, when my husband’s there with me, I can enjoy my food. And it’s fun for me because

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these are foods that make me happy. Whether, you know, it’s eating a themed food or eating something that’s very nostalgic

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for myself, I can stop and enjoy it because that’s really what being at the theme park is about. Right? It’s just enjoying

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yourself in anything that you do. No matter the stress that comes along with getting there, or ordering the food, or waiting

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in line for food, you’re still enjoying something that has happiness and joy in it. And so that is all a part of the park

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experience with, you know, the theme food and the types of food that they have at Disneyland. It’s there to make us generally just happy.

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Yeah. And I I think even, like, expanding that, joy of food, like, we know that now there’s merchandising and lining just

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for food. You talked about Right. The munchlings, and I bought a pizza backpack, headband like Mickey ears, and a shirt from

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their Disney Eats collection. So let’s talk

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let’s talk a little bit about the merchandising and the marketing that is now absolutely a thing at Disneyland. Because in

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the past years, there were no influencers. There were no theme nights. There were it was just going to the park and enjoying

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the park as a theme park. Now there’s an element of niche fandoms within the park. And obviously, food is one of those niches.

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And I don’t know about you, but this whole munchlings, like, little plushies that are Disney characters mashed up with food

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items. I feel like it came out of nowhere. Like absolute it’s like that meme that says no one, absolutely no one. Disney parks,

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let’s come out with, you know, a blind of plushies that look like food. That’s kind of how it happened in my

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Yes. Perception of it. And, like, that just shows you about, like, food and fandom taking over because I didn’t know that

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I needed a Donald Duck cupcake plushie until they showed me that I could have a Donald Duck cupcake plushie. And then I’m like, yeah. Oh

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my gosh. I saw all of the stitch related ones. There’s like a stitch Dole Whip. There’s a stitch macarot. I’m like still at

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that point in denial that I need it. I’m like spongebob or like, I don’t need it. I don’t need it. I don’t need it. I don’t

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need it. If I’m gonna get it, I’m gonna get the actual thing and I’m gonna consume it so that I can get something out of it.

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But they are so cute. And yes, spirit jerseys, ears. Ariel, you just bought the most beautiful set. This is so cute. And I

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think I remember when we were at the park, you were like, I’m getting it. There was just like no questions asked. Right?

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No. No. Yeah. So Disney Eats is a merchandising line that Disney is releasing every month a new food themed item. And the,

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February was pizza. And I saw it and I was like, yes. I cannot not live without this. I will buy it before the end of this

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convention. And I did. I bought the ears. I bought the jersey. I bought the lounge fly backpack. You know? I’m walking away

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with pure joy. Like, I looked up when it was international pizza day, so I could, like, wear this again. I really love pizza

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as a food. And then just to see the hidden Mickey’s, like, pepperonis as hidden Mickey’s, was it was clever. They got me.

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They really got me with the merchandising. I looked at some of the other foods. I may do s’mores. Like, they have that in

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December as one of the food items. That may be one that I also like as well. And and it’s interesting. If you go on the website,

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it’ll list the food items, and they are in, like, a tan, image. And then when they release the item, they actually replace

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that image with the actual item. So we’ll we’ll start to I see. Yeah. They’re they’re doing drops. They’re doing drops of

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their line. And it’s merchandising that involves kitchenware, it’s merchandising that involves clothing, sipper cups, like,

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it’s the whole gamut of ways to, like, engage with the food as a product

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and not just as a consumable, but, like, a product.

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It’s as if they thought, oh, consumable, but, like, a product.

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It’s as if they thought, oh, these millennials that now have kitchens and have incomes, let me see what they like. And let

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me just make this huge line about it so that every month in the year of 20 we get them in one way or another. Do they have

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a preview of the type of food it’s gonna be, or is it just like a silhouette of an image or something?

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Oh, it is a preview, but Okay. Even the preview is just a, like, a cartooned image of that food item. It isn’t of, like, the

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merchandise. So if you go on our Instagram, you will see the most recent drop with the pizza ears. But if you swipe swipe

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all the way to the end, you’ll see what it looked like before. We have the whole list for the whole month, so you can or or

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for every month this year, so you can see what those drops will look like.

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So when is coffee month? Because they have to do that. Right?

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Oh, that is a good question. This January was just Disney Eats collection, so That was introducing the collection. February

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was pizza. March is macaron. April is lollipop. May is ice cream. So some of these matching sort of what you would eat in

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those those months. June is doughnuts. July is shaved ice. August is pineapple swirl. September is caramel apple. October

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is churro. Umbers is gingerbread, and December is s’mores. So all foods, no drinks.

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So they’re all they’re all desserts except for pizza.

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Wait a minute. Except for pizza. Let’s pizza put them in the laundry detergent.

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They’re all desserts except for pizza. Okay. So the theme is they’re going for handheld. They’re going for childlike items

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that kids can also partake in, which is probably why they don’t have coffee. And I feel like I’ve seen I mean, before we’ve

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seen Disney donut ears, and some of the munchlings have been s’mores and, you know, macarons and other things. So I think

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they’re just now maybe expanding upon what the merchandising has worked for them in the past.

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Yes. Yes. And all the imagery is Mickey shaped items with the exception of the pineapple swirl, unless there’s a hidden mickey

42:42 – 42:58
that I can’t see. But I think you’re hitting on like some of the way that food is being merchandised, Find a food you can

42:58 – 43:04
eat with your hands. A messy food like spaghetti or food that you’re used to eating in your hands like pizza or fries. Because

43:04 – 43:10
that’s that is one of the first ways we, like, explore our body is touching our mouth and putting things in our mouth. You

43:10 – 43:14
have an infant. I’m pretty sure she puts everything in her mouth. Right? All the things.

43:14 – 43:15
So Every of the things.

43:15 – 43:23
When we’re talking about, like, nostalgia marketing, having handheld foods, wonderful. Having it be sweet, go to treats, having

43:23 – 43:31
it sort of match the theme of the month. I think that Disney’s on brand with this marketing. And I think really shows why

43:31 – 43:39
our panel, when we first did our food panel, why it was accepted at Comic Con. That was the first panel that we had ever accepted

43:39 – 43:46
at Comic Con. It was and it’s because food is a niche culture of fandom in so many different ways.

43:46 – 43:53
Mhmm. And just as you’re listing all of those foods, you could essentially say there’s a fandom for every type of food that

43:53 – 43:59
you just listed. Mhmm. We have pizza lovers, macaron lovers. I was surprised they didn’t have cookies. Just like regular cookies?

43:59 – 44:00
No chocolate chip cookies?

44:00 – 44:06
Just gingerbread, but definitely Just gingerbread. I think the other thing is that these are also foods you can access in

44:06 – 44:13
the park. So they’re, like, doubling down on the fact that these are favorite foods that are to go Mhmm. That are park foods as well. Right?

44:13 – 44:19
Yeah. But yeah. Absolutely. People are fans of these food. I know that we didn’t really dive too deep into it, but there are

44:19 – 44:24
fans of the different types of cold brew in the parks. Because now that they’ve realized that cold brew is a thing that people

44:24 – 44:30
need at the parks, whether you’re a parent, whether you’re just, like, trying to get through the day. There’s different variations

44:30 – 44:36
of cold brew that you can get in the parks, just like how you can get different variations of churros. So when you have followings

44:36 – 44:42
of people who will, like, repost any sort of video that has to do with that food item, that is essentially creating a fandom

44:42 – 44:50
of that item. That Disney now is looking at that as, hey, you know, we not only have Disney fans, but we have Disney foodies.

44:50 – 44:56
We have food fans and for specific things. So it was very smart on their part to hone in on that.

44:56 – 45:04
Yeah. I think this will be our our part 1 in a series of food as a subtopic on our Disney fandom, podcast.

45:05 – 45:07
We have lots to say about it. So, you know.

45:07 – 45:17
Now if you are going to be at WonderCon this year, we will have our panel on March 31st. That’s a Sunday from 4 to 5 PM. It’ll

45:17 – 45:24
be in room 2. And I do understand this is also Easter, so if we don’t see you, that is totally fine. But if we do, you know,

45:24 – 45:33
say hi, ask a question. We will have a variety of people on our panel, an actor, a producer, a restaurant owner, chef, a sous

45:33 – 45:40
chef. So come and learn about food and fandom. It won’t just be Disney related. It will be the whole gamut of food and fandom

45:40 – 45:48
and the experience. And, you know, if you have any questions, please follow us and message, like, and follow at happiestpodgt

45:49 – 45:56
for Instagram and happiestpodgt for and, yeah. Like, let us know. What do you eat at the parks? What are your favorite foods?

45:56 – 46:04
Yes. And what foods are you fans of? Because as we are going to be diving into that topic at the panel, we always love hearing

46:04 – 46:11
stories of people and their relationship to their favorite foods. It’s always so great to hear because we’ve all had that

46:11 – 46:19
experience of loving food and getting joy from it that is unmatched when you eat something that brings you so much happiness

46:19 – 46:26
that you just have to stop everything and realize that. So we’re very excited, the panel. But if not, we will see you on the next episode.

46:26 – 46:27
Alright. Bye, everybody.

46:28 – 46:29
Bye.

Media/Characters Mentioned
  • Tiana
  • Princess and the Frog
  • Remy
  • Ratatouille
  • Deadpool
  • Suki
  • Gilmore Girls
  • Toadstool
  • Funko Figures
Topics/Themes Mentioned
  • Disney Food Culture
  • Food and Wine Festival at California Adventure
  • Disney Merchandising and Marketing Strategies
  • Using Food in Education and Therapy
  • Disney Eats Collection
  • Panel Discussion on Food and Fandom

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Beyond the Screen: Disney Leveling Up

March 6, 2024 · Discuss on the GT Forum

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36: Venture ‘Beyond the Screen: Disney Leveling Up’ in Episode 36 of HPOE. Ariel and Stef navigate Disney’s groundbreaking move into developing a gaming metaverse and the company’s history with games, in general. This episode explores the fusion of iconic Disney storytelling with the interactive world of gaming, highlighting the potential for new adventures and connections. A thrilling exploration of Disney’s digital expansion, offering a glimpse into the future of entertainment for gamers, Disney aficionados, and digital explorers alike.

Learn more about the military charity Stack Up: https://www.stackup.org/

Summary

Summary of HPOE36:

  • Introduction (0:10): Stefanie and Ariel introduce the episode from Stack Up Studios, highlighting the integration of passions in education and therapy.
  • About Stack Up (1:01): Discussion on Stack Up’s support for veterans through gaming and community events.
  • Recording Together (2:55): Sharing the novelty of recording in person for the first time, enhancing their discussion dynamics.
  • Diving into Gaming (3:27): Transition into discussing video games, especially those not typically associated with the “gamer” stereotype.
  • Disney and Gaming (4:57): Exploration of Disney’s history with video games, with a special focus on the Kingdom Hearts series.
  • Personal Gaming Histories (6:07): Stefanie and Ariel share their personal journeys with video games, from childhood favorites to adult choices.
  • Disney’s Gaming Evolution (15:27): Discussing Disney’s new ventures into gaming, including a partnership with Epic Games for a metaverse project.
  • Cultural Impact of Gaming (31:18): Reflecting on how gaming influences family traditions and social interactions.
  • Safety in Gaming (43:11): Concerns and hopes for safety measures in Disney’s future gaming projects.
  • Engagement and Community (45:46): Encouragement for listeners to share their gaming experiences and engage with the community.
Transcription

Ariel Landrum 0:10
Hello, everyone, welcome to the Happiest Pod on Earth. I’m Stef. I’m an educator who uses passions and fandoms to help my students grow and learn about themselves and the world around them.

And I’m Ariel, a licensed therapist who uses clients passions and fandoms to help them grow and heal from trauma and mental unwellness.

Stefanie Bautista 0:28
Here at Happiest Pod, we dissect Disney mediums with a critical lens.

Ariel Landrum 0:32
Why? Because we’re more than just fans, we expect more from the mediums we consume. So Stef, what are we going to be discussing today?

Stefanie Bautista 0:39
Well, we are actually recording in a very special place. We are recording at Stack Up Studios here in Los Angeles…

Ariel Landrum 0:47
At their Phalanx House.

Stefanie Bautista 0:48
At their Phalanx House, right. But this place is very special, because it is very video game centric. And that’s what we are going to be talking about today. So Ariel, can you give us a little bit of background about what Stack Up does here?

Ariel Landrum 1:01
Absolutely. So stack up is a military charity supporting active and veterans service members in the US and abroad. They also support anybody who is connected, who has like government connections that would also be deployed to like DoD members. And they do things like air drops, where they drop gaming equipment, and geek culture events at this spot. Specifically, they do peer to peer mental health support for veterans. And they do volunteer teams that engage with veteran outreach and community betterment. And here at the Phalanx House. They have a variety of different events, especially around the holidays for service members who may not have family in the area. They have like a D&D night, they have Year’s Eve and Christmas parties or Thanksgiving, they’ll be having a Super Bowl party here. And so it’s really wonderful nonprofit, and they embrace gaming and geek culture. So obviously a really good partner with a Geek Therapy. And we are in their one of their podcasting rooms, recording today.

Stefanie Bautista 1:01
Yeah, I mean, I wish I could kind of take a snapshot of all of this stuff, because there’s a lot of amazing things here that a gamer would only dream of having just accessible to them. I think that this is a great way for veterans to kind of connect with the things that they love. Kind of like how what we talked about here at Happiest Pod on Earth, I think the things that make us happy, and the things that make us whole and human and all those good things. You need to connect those to yourself every so often, depending on, you know, even if you’re a veteran, even if you’re an educator, even as a therapist, you got to connect to the things that you love. And I think getting back to those roots, especially for people who have been in very traumatic situations such as veterans, it’s really important to rehabilitate yourself, especially after your duty is done. Special thanks to Stephen and his crew for letting us use this space and setting us up today. Because this is amazing. And we’re very happy to be here.

Ariel Landrum 2:55
And for those of you who might not be aware of oftentimes, when Stef and I are recording the podcast, we are not in the same room, we are actually seeing each other through zoom. And so this is the first time that we actually have gotten to record in person.

Stefanie Bautista 3:07
Yeah, like in, in face to face with each other. Which is awesome, because we have very many, many conversations with each other in the car or when we’re hanging out. But whenever we’re recording, we actually are not in the same room together. So this is actually going to be very exciting because we can actually have a real conversation.

Ariel Landrum 3:27
Yes, yes. And so today because we are here at stack up and we are part of Geek Therapy, there is one a geeking genre that we have not stepped into or talked about and that is video games.

Stefanie Bautista 3:39
That’s right. I would not claim myself as an avid avid gamer. However, I still play video games, whether it’s on my phone, whether it’s on my switch that like I let die and then revive again every week. I still video game and I know Ariel you game too, right?

Ariel Landrum 3:56
Absolutely. And I think that goes to there’s actually no official definition of what a gamer is, except for it’s a person who plays games, whether for fun or professionally. But in the you know, in the media socially, in our zeitgeist, we tend to think of gamers, really people who do parse first person shooters often male, like that’s the image we have in our mind. And video games. There are a variety of video games, there’s cosy gaming, there’s sandbox play, there’s a lot of ways to do video games that isn’t just first person shooters. And when it comes to the Disney genre that does sort of help meet the middle for individuals who may not be excited to do first person shooters, but they want to do maybe puzzles, they want more world building, they want expansion even with the I would say some of their older school games that were very difficult. It really captivated like a specific audience of individuals who may not use the term gamer because it’s been codified in a certain way.

Stefanie Bautista 4:57
Right? And when I think of gaming and of Disney I feel like they’ve always been parallel worlds, but haven’t necessarily connected in the way that most people would like them to. I think the closest we’ve gotten to that is Kingdom Hearts because it was so widely appreciated. And it was at a time where people were kind of expanding what their knowledge of video games were, it wasn’t just first person shooter. It wasn’t just, you know, Sonic or Mario where, you know, it’s like 2D like that. But, I mean, the earliest video game I played was The Little Mermaid Hand Game. And that I don’t know if you’ll remember that. Maybe it’s before your time for some of you who are listening. But it was a handheld game. And it only had a couple graphics on it. It never really moved. It wasn’t. It wasn’t like watching a video. I don’t even know what it’s called. It’s like LCD, it’s not even LCD. It’s like some crystal. I don’t know what it is. But basically, it was like the old old Tetris, but it wasn’t even on the screen. It was just these little images of Ariel swimming through in black and white. And she would keep going and she would like gather things in the sea. And then at the end, she would battle Ursula with the ship and the ship’s tip.

Ariel Landrum 6:07
Oh, okay. And like the movie.

Stefanie Bautista 6:08
You basically jab, Ursula until she died. It was very old. It had like three buttons…

Ariel Landrum 6:14
You said was a handheld game? What did you… What was it on?

Stefanie Bautista 6:17
It’s a handheld game. Like it was just it was just hand held…

Ariel Landrum 6:20
It was it? Oh, it wasn’t like a cartridge,

Stefanie Bautista 6:24
No not a cartridge at all. This is like probably early 90s. I will put a picture of it in our Instagram, just so you all know. But yeah, it was just a handheld game, something that you would just pick up and buy. And it was its own console. I know there’s a name for it. I’m gonna look it up. But that’s what my earliest game was. And it was Little Mermaid. And I remember, you only have like three lives. So if you had the lives, you would have to start all over again. And you would not be able to respond to revive all that stuff.

Ariel Landrum 6:54
So no auto save?

Stefanie Bautista 6:55
No auto saves you couldn’t even save there wasn’t even an option for that. It taught me resilience because I died alot. I was probably like six or seven. But I loved Ariel. I loved The Little mermaid. And I think you know that and playing as her gave another dimension to something that I love.

Ariel Landrum 7:12
I don’t think that was the only game that you played though. Back then was the other one the Aladdin game?

Stefanie Bautista 7:17
That was a different version of that same handheld game. Still a black and white screen you would just kind of like I think so. If Ariel was collecting things on the ocean floor, Aladdin was stealing like different breads. Oh, I think that’s what I remember.

Ariel Landrum 7:31
Okay, okay…

Stefanie Bautista 7:32
Then you would have to battle Jafar as like the genie the bad Genie. And I think that’s what it was because Ursula started off small and she kind of grew.

Ariel Landrum 7:40
Oh okay.

Stefanie Bautista 7:40
And that was like the one graphic they had. The same thing with Genie, Genie, which Jafar he would start off small and then he would become the big red Genie. So they were all basically the same cut games just package the different way. I think it was made by Tiger. Tiger Handheld Games. That’s what it was called.

Ariel Landrum 7:56
Oh, wow. Okay, okay. For me, I did not play any Disney games. Growing up. I had Pokemon Red and the red cartridge on my Gameboy. But for the most part, all the video games were my brother’s. He had the console he had he had all the gaming devices. And it wasn’t that I wasn’t interested. It was just that was his thing. And so because it was his it couldn’t be mine. We were we he like burgers so I had to like chicken nuggets like sibling rivalry.

Stefanie Bautista 8:27
Couldn’t be the same.

Ariel Landrum 8:28
No. And now I eat burgers. So there you go.

Stefanie Bautista 8:32
Take that.

Ariel Landrum 8:33
Growing up. If I played video games at other people’s houses until I went to college, and when I went to college, you know, I had an Xbox and I got video games. I got you know, I had Halo and I had left for dead like those were the games that I had. But I never had a Disney game. So the first Disney game that I ever played was on my mobile device. And it was the Disney Emoji Blitz, and it’s all the characters as little emojis. And basically if you pay played Candy Crush, it’s one of those little puzzle games where you’re moving the different items and trying to like explode things or get a special power. And then after that it was the Just Dance games. They have Disney songs. The newest Just Dance has the Moana song.

Stefanie Bautista 9:14
Oh.

Ariel Landrum 9:15
Yeah.

Stefanie Bautista 9:15
How far L’ll go?

Ariel Landrum 9:16
How far I’ll go. It’s one of the dances…

Stefanie Bautista 9:17
It’s interpretive dance because that’s our contemporary because it is very…

Ariel Landrum 9:22
It is it is…

Stefanie Bautista 9:22
Not very upbeat.

Ariel Landrum 9:23
For for Christmas. I bought my friend’s kids the copy The Just Dance and they sent me a video of their son doing the Moana, How Far I’ll Go. Lots of beautiful arm movements.

Stefanie Bautista 9:35
Yeah.

Ariel Landrum 9:35
So for me there’s been a lot of catch up because I never got introduced to Kingdom of Hearts but you you’ve played it. Yes?

Stefanie Bautista 9:42
I played it. I never finished it. I think Kingdom Hearts came around at the time where I didn’t have like, an up to date PlayStation or anything like that. I my first console was a Genesis a Sega Genesis because I love Sonic. That’s like my favorite game. I still play it to this day. I have it on my switch. And I’m so glad that I don’t have to just go through it. I can just cheat you and use the code that I want. It’s like it just jumped to any level. But yeah, so because I had a Sega Genesis, I had that Sega Genesis for a long, long time. Because I’m a girl. Nobody really wanted to be like, “Oh, she needs a PlayStation.” One, Two what have you. She’s like, “She doesn’t need that stuff. Why would she need that?” I used to live with my older cousins who were guys. They were sort of gamers, but not really, they’re more into cars. So I’ve never really got to play like in the 2000s like console games like on the PlayStation until I started dating my now husband. So he had like a modded PS1, I don’t know if we still have it. It was like, it was like green, but it was like see through green. Like, it was pretty cool. A lot of my gaming went through that experience and that outlet. So I didn’t pick the games. It was the games that he had. So I did have like a little bit of a break. And then I played Kingdom Hearts. I don’t even think I played it on his I think I played it at like a friend’s house. And it was really cool. Just to see somebody who look like, you know, Link just going through and then you see, “Oh my god, there’s goofy, there’s Mickey.” And I was like, it almost didn’t make sense to me why this was happening. I’m like, “Who said that this was okay?” Because if I’m going to play a first person, I want to be Mickey, I don’t want to be somebody else. I want to be Mickey going through, you know, doing Mickey things. But it didn’t make sense. And I think it like it just basically took all the anime fans all the otaku out there. And it took all of the Disney fans and just mash them together and said, “Let’s see what happens.” And it was wildly popular. I’ve always wanted to go back and play it again. Just because visually, it’s stunning. I think they really took a lot of creative freedoms with what everything looked like. And because technology was advancing so much at that time, they were just like, let’s just see what sticks. And then they really listened to Japanese developers. Because prior to that, I remember seeing Dance Dance Revolution…

Ariel Landrum 9:42
Yeah?

Stefanie Bautista 10:09
But Disney. Oh, yeah, there’s a Disney mix. And I remember seeing it a lot when I went to Japan to they had a your regular DDR machine with like those songs. And then they had a Disney one. And they had that for Disney fans because Disney fandom in Japan is wild. That’s like a whole nother thing. But they love Dance Dance Revolution. They love Disney. So they put those things together.

Ariel Landrum 12:19
Oh, I would love to do that. Oh, that’s awesome.

Stefanie Bautista 12:21
We will. When we go to Japan one day, we will.

Ariel Landrum 12:24
Yes. Yes.

Stefanie Bautista 12:26
But yeah, like you were saying I loved rhythm games, I love dance games, dance games, puzzle games, things that are not high stakes and high anxiety for me. I can do, especially as I got older, and I feel like my anxiety just got larger and larger. I think just you know that fear of loss just wasn’t there because I’m like, “Oh, you know, it’s not like I’m getting towards or I don’t have like a big goal.” And I feel like that for a lot of kids that I work with when they play video games. They’re very selective in what they want to play. Just because they don’t want that fear of failure. They don’t want that anxiety of, “Oh my god, what if I can’t accomplish this?” And like I think having these different games especially having Disney having different sorts of games, like you said cosy gaming and all that stuff, it’s really good to have like a wider array.

Ariel Landrum 13:09
Now there are more options in regards to gaming that it isn’t seen as one genre one type of experience and when it comes to doing therapy when it comes to teaching, having that variety and understanding like for you the way the student learns more for me the way the client is looking towards change and how they’re thinking about the thinking those experiences have highlighted the importance of having diversity and treatment. I think diversity in gaming is just creating more community more connection. I know that Josue way our founder still plays the Disney Blitz game and regularly attempts to try and beat Dad now and sister and they regularly use that as a as a means of checking in. It’s like “Oh, I saw you logged in and you played so I know that you’re you’re doing well.”

Stefanie Bautista 14:00
That’s really awesome. I just read downloaded Emoji Blitz. And I was like you know what? I need another puzzle game because RIP on my Sailor Moon game. died a long time ago.

Ariel Landrum 14:11
Yeah.

Stefanie Bautista 14:11
It was my favorite shout out to you guys who played Sailor Moon Drops I love that game to death buts there the love be another one like.

Ariel Landrum 14:19
You played it that night before your wedding.

Stefanie Bautista 14:21
I did because I was so nervous. And I just needed to take the edge off.

Ariel Landrum 14:26
Yeah and gamings can allow us an avenue to be able to self regulate to be able to calm ourselves. It’s a great stress reliever.

Stefanie Bautista 14:34
Absolutely. I mean, this is not really Disney related. But I played New Horizons while I was pregnant. Because it was during the pandemic, I had my baby at the height of the pandemic. I didn’t know what was going to happen. There was a lot of what ifs and unknowns and it was very scary for me as you know somebody who was about to bring another life into the world.

Ariel Landrum 14:53
For the first time too.

Stefanie Bautista 14:54
First and I had like nobody to turn to because there were all the structures that were there for women were gone, because the world got flipped upside down. So New Horizons was definitely my comfort and I played it and I played it and I played it and because it’s open world that there’s no end to it. It just gave me a sense of you know, “I can I can get back to, to a little bit of normalcy through my little animal friends.”

Ariel Landrum 15:20
Well, and And speaking of open world, you just mentioned that Disney dropped some news really recently about an open world.

Stefanie Bautista 15:27
Disney did a lot of announcements on February 7, and one of the biggest things that they announced is that they are going to partner up with epic who makes Fortnite they are investing $1.5 billion into basically a new universe that’s gonna resemble a metaverse. This is the first time that Disney is going to be investing this much into gaming. And like I said, in the beginning, Disney and gaming has always been parallel for me, I feel like now they’re gonna merge in a really, really big way. Just because they want to tap into you know, younger audiences who play things like Fortnite, Minecraft, things that are open world that just kind of have no end and kids just tap in and play. They want to bring the Disney world into that. Obviously, it’s a big money move. It’s gonna bring in a lot of revenue, hopefully. But I don’t know, we’ll see what happens because I feel like when Disney makes these big moves, sometimes it’s a hit. Sometimes it’s a miss.

Ariel Landrum 16:19
Well, and what we do know is Disney is a big conglomerate organization, we can admit that and video games. I think the studies have shown how to create more money than like film and books and music combined. That’s how much revenue like the gaming industry itself makes. So it’s smart move to try and integrate better with gaming than be that parallel. But it’s going to be really interesting to think of Disney in a metaverse. I think this like makes me think of Wreck-It Ralph, when we saw the Disney Princesses together for the first time, because in general, the the way that they mark it, you know, they’re different franchises, and even in the parks, they’re their own sections, their own worlds, they don’t intermingle know, so the idea of an open world where they could intermingle where you know, these characters actually may know each other, or experience each other, that’s just gonna be mind blowing. And I think will usher in a new way of seeing Disney and I think kind of connects to how they have made such like integration in the Marvel Universe.

Stefanie Bautista 16:19
Yeah.

Ariel Landrum 16:26
It only makes sense that they’re going to try and think of how to integrate those things.

Stefanie Bautista 16:40
Yeah. I feel like now if they do a Christmas special normally, it’s a Star Wars Christmas special and Marvel one, and like a Disney one. They might all just be in the same Christmas special at this point. But I’m very curious to see, you know, of course, there’s going to be a lot of naysayers into this. Us being the age that we are we know them as separate entities. Kids nowadays, think of Disney Marvel Star Wars as one, because that’s how they were introduced. I’m wondering if there’s going to be like, “That’s not canon. This is not part of the story. Why are they doing this?”

Ariel Landrum 17:58
The toxicity.

Stefanie Bautista 17:59
You know, I feel like there’s just going to be a lot of toxicity. Because yeah, people are going to want to protect what they know and how they know it and keep it and preserve it that way. But I think the interesting thing about Disney and being innovators is that they try to push that envelope and think forward. And I mean, when I think about kids now if I asked them, if Star Wars was Disney, they’d say yes. They wouldn’t think of it any other way. So it’s I think it’s very interesting to see it from that perspective.

Ariel Landrum 18:29
Yeah, I think watching things evolve and grow and knowing if you can evolve and grow with it is going to be a real like generational marker. One of their cosy games. It’s called Dream Light Valley, it came out in December of 2023. And it appears to be somewhat of like an open world game. And it does appear to be that you can interact with the different characters, but it doesn’t look like those characters interact with each other. So there still seems to be some separation. Now someone can correct me if I’m wrong, but from what I’ve watched, that seems to be how it looks like. There’s still no pressure it is cozy gaming, but it’ll be interesting to see. And then a huge Metaverse where they could maybe connect and these different characters could interact or if it’s still going to be what they’ve done like Dream Light Valley and Kingdom Hearts where it’s just one person that interacts or even like what is it Sofia The First?

Stefanie Bautista 19:20
Yeah Sofia the First. Once Upon a Time is like that too?

Ariel Landrum 19:24
Yes!

Stefanie Bautista 19:24
The drama series where one person interacts with everybody, but I don’t remember them all being together. But yeah, it’s going to be very interesting the way that they’re going to weave this web of a Metaverse because the point of the metaverse is to bring everyone together. So we’ll see what happens. I know that they’re going to do mobile gaming, I know that they’re going to be doing laptop gaming, and they’re gonna be doing console gaming, so they’re going to really try to expand on all those things. One of the reasons why they did this is because they saw how well Marvel and Sony Spider-Man has been doing. Even with the different iteration of Spide-Man whether it’s the Sony universe or the Disney universe, this is its own thing. And it’s made so much money, just because the quality of the gaming is so good. And I think that’s another question I have is because, right this conglomerate is taking this over. I wonder what the quality is going to be like?

Ariel Landrum 20:17
Yeah.

Stefanie Bautista 20:17
Because the Sony SpiderMan games have largely been developed by themselves.

Ariel Landrum 20:22
Yeah.

Stefanie Bautista 20:23
And they have people who are, you know, solely dedicated to just that. There’s always that saying, you know, like, “Sometimes a jack of all trades isn’t going to do everything, as well as somebody who’s just focused on one would do.” So I mean, that’s another thing to consider.

Ariel Landrum 20:36
Yeah, I my roommate has played both of the Spider-Man games and I’ve watched I haven’t played but they do have the different Spider-Man outfits from the movies. That’s like that would be like, I guess the Easter egg. Peter Parker in the Miles Morales they are not the ones that we saw in our Marvel Universe.

Stefanie Bautista 20:54
Yeah.

Ariel Landrum 20:54
And really more connected towards Miles Morales and Peter Parker of like this the Sony universe.

Stefanie Bautista 21:00
Yeah.

Ariel Landrum 21:01
And it is such a good game. The storytelling is great. There’s a lot of diversity. The second game one of the characters I think that Miles Morales has a crush on is deaf and signs and ASL and Miles Morales learns ASL. So trilingual.

Stefanie Bautista 21:16
Yeah. In the best way possible. Yes. Yeah. Gosh, yeah. I mean, I’ve heard nothing but great things about that game. I haven’t played it myself. But I mean, even the, like, all the way down to the graphics. I mean, I wonder, because, you know, Fortnite is, you know, like, it’s, it’s a game that isn’t very focused on very intricate draft graphics, because, again, it’s made for younger audiences. So they, you know, like things that are a little bit more cartoony and animated. So it’s gonna be very interesting to see what Disney does with this, because that’s a lot of money to invest. Billions.

Ariel Landrum 21:48
Yes. And so some of the things that we’ve already talked about is gaming is a way to self regulate gaming is a great way to destress. It helps you focus. You mentioned patiences and distress tolerance with The Little Mermaid game. I think even like patiences from the Kingdom Hearts fan fandom, because the second game didn’t come out to like, what, eight years later or some nonense?

Stefanie Bautista 22:11
Yeah. Huge gaps. And I think even playing the earlier games taught you patiences because it was hard when I remember playing I don’t know if you play this the Toy Story games. So there was a Toy Story games that was on the PlayStation One, I think, I think this was Toy Story two, because I know, at this point, Buzz and Woody were friends. And yeah, you’re basically going through the world as Buzz and you had to do all of these acrobatics around Andy’s room to get to different levels. And I remember being Buzz and trying to do like this front flip like gymnastics thing on a bar. So you had to jump on the bar, you had to like hold on to it, who would twirl. But you had to do it like five or six times around the room to get to the next level. So you technically died?

Ariel Landrum 22:11
Oh, no!

Stefanie Bautista 22:14
I got stuck on that part for so long. I remember spending days maybe even weeks trying to just get from one part of Andy’s room to another. And I don’t know if this was meant for a 10, 11 year old me. But here I was super frustrated and trying and trying and trying again. Now with games like Fortnite you don’t have to go through things like that in order to get to the next level.

Ariel Landrum 23:23
Well, I think some people have done like a survival mode.

Stefanie Bautista 23:26
Right!

Ariel Landrum 23:26
Yeah.

Stefanie Bautista 23:27
You would have to pick that mode in order be there.

Ariel Landrum 23:29
Or like people have decided designed them as well.

Stefanie Bautista 23:32
Yeah yeah yeah. Right. That’s a good point to make. It’s great that it’s not, you know, limiting, but at the same time, the different skills you just never like, like that resilience and just like enduring and like trying to get it done. That’s not there, too. So I mean, I’m glad that they’re taking, like equitable approach to it. But at the same time, I’m wondering, you know, could they be challenging kids a little bit more? In certain ways? Yeah know?

Ariel Landrum 23:57
Well, I think it’s also interesting to see how people game now, even in the way with open world games, how they challenge themselves, because how many times have we seen like now mods in Fortnite, or like now the new thing is Paw… Palworld?

Stefanie Bautista 24:15
Palworld.

Ariel Landrum 24:15
Palworld. Yeah, I’m already hearing about mods that are being put in there. And that takes coding. That takes a lot of effort. So it’s interesting, the desire for customization that we didn’t have growing up. And because of that level of customization, how it forces you to think of the game, not in the mechanics, the game was created.

Stefanie Bautista 24:15
Right.

Ariel Landrum 24:15
We have TAGGS coming up The Therapeutic Applied Geek and Gaming Summit. And one of the things that has been talked about in some previous TAGGS is that technically when we are using games, therapeutically, we’re not using them how they were designed to be used. I find that interesting and though the trajectory the way the world is now that we we do use things off brand if that makes sense. Start with the gaming, like we are thinking about the mechanics differently now than we did before. Because cuz there’s just more opportunity to be able to do that more advancement.

Stefanie Bautista 25:09
And I think depending on what console you’re using, you’re experiencing things in different ways. If you’re gaming on a laptop, that’s everyone’s gaming on a console over gaming on a desktop, that’s different than gaming on your phone. It’s different ways to experience different things in different worlds. I think that’s kind of like the crux of all of this, right is because you have so many options, you got to figure out which one works for you. And that takes time. It’s kind of like giving kids just too many options. And if you don’t have the capacity to show them different ways to do one thing, they’re never going to know what’s best for them. But also, they’re only going to know what you show them.

Ariel Landrum 25:46
Yes, yeah, yeah. So it’s that fine balance of like, as much open opportunity and limited choice, especially when you’re thinking of like young minds. And when I think of the games that I was introduced to when I was younger, except for Pokemon, because I loved like Pokemon, I was introduced to those games because someone else introduced them to me.

Stefanie Bautista 26:07
Yeah.

Ariel Landrum 26:07
Not because I was searching them out. And I played like a lot of Rock Band, because I had a boyfriend at the time who wanted to play the drums. And that was like that was accessible.

Stefanie Bautista 26:18
Because it was right there.

Ariel Landrum 26:19
And I fell in love with it. So I think the other thing that games do besides challenge you within the game mechanics, as well as now this new opportunity to customize. I think they also introduce you to like new communities and friendships and opportunities when you are open to the idea of experiencing it with someone else.

Stefanie Bautista 26:39
Right. You were mentioning Rock Band. And I remember Guitar Hero being such a big thing. And I didn’t play until my brother got one because he wanted to play guitar. I did too. But I didn’t get that. Because he did that. So I started playing guitar hero. But I remember my mom just being like, “I’m not gonna buy you these other pieces.” Like when Rock Band came along. She was like, “That’s too many pieces. It’s too expensive.”

Ariel Landrum 27:04
Yeah.

Stefanie Bautista 27:04
I wish there was a way where you could just sample all of this stuff. Oh, it’s so difficult to do that now because Best Buy used to do and Best Buy and Toys R Us would do like a version of it back then. To where you would try these games out in a, you know, in a safe setting. The first time I played Tekken was in a department store.

Ariel Landrum 27:21
Yeah.

Stefanie Bautista 27:22
And me and my best friend, every time we went to the department store, we would play Tekken. Because that’s the only way we would play it. Our parents would never buy this for us. But here it was accessible for us. And thats the reason why I knew about it, and I was able to talk about it with friends later on in life is because I played it in a department store. But kind of like how, and I’m going to show my age like a lot here is when you used to go to Virgin Records, and you would preview a CD before you bought it. Because it was there for you to listen to. I wish they would do that with more games, especially towards younger kids. Because how are you going to know and how are you going to invest? If you don’t know if they like it or not.

Ariel Landrum 27:58
You’re really highlighting how like socioeconomic status and video games are for our generation that that was a huge divide. I think this generation has so much access to a variety of video games. It’s really like the top tier ones that get advertised the most that might be inaccessible. And now I do know like Xbox and PlayStation as like a Game Pass.

Stefanie Bautista 27:58
Right.

Ariel Landrum 27:58
And you can have a subscription there. But again, you need the console and the subscription. Yeah, right. And I know that there was this website, and it seems to still exist, called Gamefly.

Stefanie Bautista 28:33
Right?

Ariel Landrum 28:33
You could rent the game.

Stefanie Bautista 28:35
Yeah. Yeah. And then it was like the old school Netflix and they would send it to you.

Ariel Landrum 28:38
Yes. Now, however, and it still looks like it. You couldn’t rent the actual like console pieces, right? Yeah. So like Rock Band, like it’s playing on a controller doesn’t make sense. No, like, however…

Stefanie Bautista 28:53
I tried it’s horrible.

Ariel Landrum 28:55
I’m also not seeing with the exception of virtual reality, a lot of video games that require anything extra. But the controller and my my Am I wrong about that?

Stefanie Bautista 29:06
I mean, as far as I know, I haven’t seen one since that needed anything extra? Because I think everybody’s goal now is convenience and accessibility. Yeah. Everyone has a phone. Most people have a laptop. I mean, maybe most households have one console or another whether it’s an Xbox or a PlayStation. So I don’t know. I as far as I know. No.

Ariel Landrum 29:29
Yeah. And it’s really interesting to see the trajectory of gaming as well because I remember having a special backpack that fit my Xbox 360 and all of its pieces so that I can take it somewhere with me like take it to a friend’s house. And now it’s just so easy to like with The Switch, just transport a game. And especially now that video games are mostly digital, you don’t even have to buy a hard copy and you can just log in.

Stefanie Bautista 29:56
And download the software.

Ariel Landrum 29:58
Download the software. Yes.

Stefanie Bautista 29:59
Yeah, arcades are not a big thing anymore. If you are going to an arcade such as A Round One around here, which is like you know, a big entertainment center, kind of like how all amusement Fun Center used to be, you’re playing those, I don’t want to call it carnival games, but they’re almost carnival games, they’re not exactly video games. Whereas when you go to Japan, which has a huge gaming culture, you can still go to an arcade and play something that is a video you can sit down and play whatever iteration of Street Fighter or whatever. And they have levels, they have one level for fighting games, they have one level for racing games, they have one level for cute kawaii games, they have one level for like a virtual horse racing like, I mean, the accessibility is so much more there just because it’s integrated into their culture. I wish that they had something that here just so that you know more if if they do want to invest all of this money, this is what I get. The point that I’m trying to make is they if they want to invest all this money into gaming, I feel like they have to speak to everyone, no matter what their socio economic status is, no matter what their you know, accessibility level is it needs to be available for them to consume so that they have the opportunity to want to do it at home. I feel like America operates so much in silos, instead of you know, collective that’s my two cents.

Ariel Landrum 31:18
Yes. And I think you’re also highlighting not just the trajectory and evolution of games, but you’re also highlighting the cultural component because in Japan, video games are the culture. We when we saw the Tokyo Olympics, they played video game orchestra, orchestral music. And it’s interesting that you’re talking about like arcades and spaces, because I remember going before Rock Band even existed. I lived in Korea, and I was like 13 at the time, and we would go to like gaming centers or like a PC Bong. And at the gaming center there, this song always makes me think of like, going to this gaming center with my dad, the song Kiss Me Sixpence None The Richer. It was a song that, that they had a drum that I could drum to and it was like only…

Stefanie Bautista 32:08
Was it taiko drum, because there’s that game too, which I really really like.

Ariel Landrum 32:11
I don’t know what it was. It was just an arcade game. And there was a little drum and they were like actual, like, are electric drums.

Stefanie Bautista 32:18
Yeah, so there’s that one? Yes, there’s, I’ve seen that one. I’ve seen the Taiko drum. And then there’s one of you could be a DJ too.

Ariel Landrum 32:24
Yeah. So I played that. And that was the song I picked because it’s the only English song. And every time I was I was really good on the drums on this thing..

Stefanie Bautista 32:32
What an interesting…

Ariel Landrum 32:33
And in many, many, many years later, because I was what 16 Seven? Yeah, 16 or 17 when the rock band came out. You saw this. So when my dad passed away, we went through his memorabilia. He had a lot of memorabilia, and I showed you that he kept a GameWorks card.

Stefanie Bautista 32:49
Yes you did.

Ariel Landrum 32:50
And so so if you some of you don’t know game works was like a gaming entertainment center location.

Stefanie Bautista 32:56
It’s like Round One that I mentioned earlier.

Ariel Landrum 32:58
But this one, I guess, how would you describe it somewhat like Dave and Busters, but like not.

Stefanie Bautista 33:06
But not the game works that I went to. I remember, game was only existing in Las Vegas for a long time. I go to Vegas quite often at least a couple times a year because I feel like Vegas is LA East. As an Angeleno you just got to Vegas, it’s just thing you do. GameWorks was right next to the M&M store. And as a kid, when you go to Vegas, there’s literally nothing you could do. But go to game works and the M&M store. So GameWorks is basically a big arcade.

Ariel Landrum 33:34
Yeah.

Stefanie Bautista 33:34
There’s a bowling alley there. You can do various games. It’s not like you know, Chucky Cheese or all that stuff where you had like a physical aspect to it. It’s more of like tween gaming. I want to say if if I want to put kind of like a generator or like an age range on it, so you could play basically, yeah, arcade games, skee ball, all that stuff. That was the epicenter. It was such a late 90s, early 2000s thing.

Ariel Landrum 33:58
And they built one in Guam, and it closed in 2006. So that was a Game Works that I went to.

Stefanie Bautista 34:04
Oh my goodness.

Ariel Landrum 34:05
And so that was a card my dad had held on to was the we had, we had already moved. And he had held on to it. And the game that I remember, was an I see like now I think of like safety stuff because I’m old. But you strap yourself in and it would go up and down. Like it actually went up like two or three floors. And what it was was you were shooting down these virtual balloons, which are supposed to be other people that were strapped to this chair.

Stefanie Bautista 34:32
I if you’re like I saw that, but I was never allowed to go on it because it was expensive.

Ariel Landrum 34:36
At some point at some point. Like you would be you’d be shooting you’d be shooting and you’d feel your vehicle move up and down like two or three floors. And then at the end you would see who was at the highest I was in the middle. So I felt really good about my shot. But I hadn’t realized as I was playing the game, how high up I was until it was time to reveal the score and like the screen like sort of went away and I freaked out. So I have a huge fear of heights.

Stefanie Bautista 35:03
Yeah.

Ariel Landrum 35:03
And I was like, proud of myself for like beating all of these like dudes, but I was also very scared to one off of that game ride. And I don’t think I don’t think anything like that exsists like that anymore.

Stefanie Bautista 35:13
No, because game works was always in a place where they had a huge area. That’s what you have. You’re like Las Vegas, you’re Ontario because they had I don’t even know what they’re called simulator games, I guess. Very similar to like, if you play Jurassic Park, where you’re like in the little Jeep, and you’re shooting, not all the dinosaurs, but like on a more larger scale, I think something comparable to that would be kind of like a VR simulator.

Ariel Landrum 35:15
Yeah.

Stefanie Bautista 35:15
It’s very comparable to that now, but you’re in a pod, as opposed to Ariel here who was hoisted into the air.

Ariel Landrum 35:23
Yes yes. Hosited right up into the air.

Stefanie Bautista 35:49
So did you play it ever again? Or did you want to go on it after? Did you have the opportunity to know?

Ariel Landrum 35:55
So that was our like, last week in Guam? And I had never played that game before I had always played. Is it a House of the Dead? The House of the Dead? And there was a Jurassic Park one?

Stefanie Bautista 36:08
Yes. That was..

Ariel Landrum 36:08
Yep. Though. So those are just my classic games, that some sort of driving game, you know, you’re always doing a racing game.

Stefanie Bautista 36:13
Yeah.

Ariel Landrum 36:14
But I wanted to do this. I want to do that. Because we were leaving. And I didn’t know I didn’t think there was a Game Works in Korea. Little did I know, I would still be playing video games and other ways.

Stefanie Bautista 36:24
Or that Korea probably had something that was just not called game works. It was something way more.

Ariel Landrum 36:28
Yes and I think when it comes to video games and gaming, like it is very much part of my family culture, because my grandma used to play solitaire on her computer. And she knew the code to like cheat. That was her favorite thing was she it would shoot out three cards. But if she didn’t want those three, she pushed this button and we started shooting one card. And she was like, “I always win at Solitaire because I cheat.” And then my dad, he played hearts and and he learned how to play spades. And so those were the games that he would play online. And he had his his online community had like regular usernames he remembered and they even log in and they would know like, oh, it because I guess hearts is a game that you like, have a buddy with or like your partners. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Stefanie Bautista 37:14
Yeah. Never played hearts. I think now that we’re kind of tying it to older generations and how they game. I mean, I know my mom used to play solitaire just with cards. Now she plays it on her phone. She doesn’t bring the cards out anymore. She just plays it on her phone. And ironically enough, when we all went to Disney World a couple years ago, they didn’t want to walk around no more. So all they did was just play on their phones. Which, you know, that’s another layer of gaming too. When we’re talking about Disney and gaming. We play games while we’re in line.

Ariel Landrum 37:45
Oh my gosh, yes. So many times have we played like Heads Up.

Stefanie Bautista 37:49
That’s like a classic TikTok now, where you’re making fun of people who are like Disney adults playing Heads Up. And you know, you can even play with like people who are on the other side of the line.

Ariel Landrum 37:59
Yep.

Stefanie Bautista 37:59
And just get off their game. Play it yourself. Because you are waiting in very long queues, especially at different Disney’s around the world. So you could maybe that’s what the thinking was in this investment. While they’re waiting in line at Disney, why not play a Disney game?

Ariel Landrum 38:18
And I will say that Disney has a game in the park that you can sorta do and…

Stefanie Bautista 38:23
Oh my gosh Disney play. Remember when Galaxy’s Edge open and we were like obsessed with all those little mini games?

Ariel Landrum 38:31
Yes. So my partner and I ran around scanning all these Joe archives to like flip a color for like a team. I it was and it killed our batteries so much.

Stefanie Bautista 38:42
I remember you guys both run out of battery.

Ariel Landrum 38:44
And I have and I have no idea why I don’t eat. I still don’t understand what the goal of the game was. Yeah, was just a novelty. That was really it.

Stefanie Bautista 38:53
Its funny, because I went to that same you know, where they have the bathrooms?

Ariel Landrum 38:57
Yeah.

Stefanie Bautista 38:57
There’s like a QR code. I remember we were there because you were trying to like, get up on some satellite or whatever, like try to change the color. And here I was using the restroom and gonna change a diaper and I’m like, looked over and just the nostalgia of like, “Why did I do that? Why What was the point with that?”

Ariel Landrum 39:14
There was no point.

Stefanie Bautista 39:15
Yeah, that’s the Disneyland app trying to be relevant. Yeah, aside from being you know, an informational tool…

Ariel Landrum 39:21
And a battery and a battery killer…

Stefanie Bautista 39:22
And I think that goes back to what I was saying earlier where it’s like I get it Disney you’re trying to get into everything but it might be a hit or miss. We don’t know.

Ariel Landrum 39:31
Yeah, I really hope it’s a it’s a hit, especially because they invested a lot of money and I’m and given that right now. I’ve had a lot of clients in the tech industry who have been let go. Lots of I mean, lots of companies are just letting hordes of people go hopefully this will open up some some avenue for work because they don’t have a large right now that I’m aware of. Gaming department and and gaming animators, maybe But the individuals from some companies have been let go can can be jumping on these projects.

Stefanie Bautista 40:05
Yeah.

Ariel Landrum 40:06
You know, we’re highlighting there’s opportunity we’re highlighting the gaming allows you to feel community and comfort. We’re highlighting the ways that you can engage in gaming. Like, even it doesn’t even have to be a Disney game. But the place that I love to play Pokemon Go them the most is Disneyland because there’s always enough people to like, take down like a five star raid.

Stefanie Bautista 40:27
Yeah. And you build community. Now you can actually add people who you’ve done raids with, sometimes I’ve done raids, and I’m like, “Who is this person adding me?” And I’m like, “Oh, I think we did a raid together.” So it’s not so scary anymore. But yeah, I remember, I mean, we played Pokemon Go so much in the parks. Just because it’s, it’s easier then then playing around our houses where there’s not too many people, or you have to like, make the effort to go, you could just kind of hit you know, two birds with one stone, essentially.

Ariel Landrum 40:55
When we have to wait in line because we don’t have those, the Genie+, it’s, it’s worth it, it’s worth it. Because we definitely aren’t bored. And we are doing something together. I think individuals who don’t game often they don’t understand that we are interacting with each other, even if we’re not talking.

Stefanie Bautista 41:13
Yeah, it’s definitely just breaking down those barriers. And that stigma of what traditional gamers look like, you know, are like how they act, how they interact with each other, you know, Disney in itself has such a wide range of reach, that they can go ahead and, you know, essentially diminish those barriers, I definitely hope that they listen to what people want and more than what makes the most profit, it will start hopefully, at the youngest level as much as possible, just because, you know, kids are just being introduced to screentime earlier and earlier, and it’s just gonna be part of their lives.

Ariel Landrum 41:53
Yeah, yeah. I think there’s a level of acceptance that needs to be made that this is this is now part of our current generation and future generations culture. It just it like rarely do we think of walking in a room and not seeing a TV now. It’s just part of our culture. I don’t know. I don’t know any hotel that doesn’t have one.

Stefanie Bautista 42:11
Right. Yeah.

Ariel Landrum 42:12
So I think the same thing that comes with with gaming’s with iPad games with mobile devices, not just consoles.

Stefanie Bautista 42:22
Yeah.

Ariel Landrum 42:22
And I think, you know, Disney is more aware of their audience, at least the demographic, so I’d be interested to see the safety measures that they put into place, and how they’re going to create levels of safety. The conversations that I often have my clients’ parents are like their fears around, you know, video game safety. And I certainly know that I’ve stopped using my mic. I have for a long time, I still haven’t felt comfortable turning it on because now I know you can do like voice modulators and like they change your voice and things like that. But still, I’ve never felt comfortable after like the harassment I used to receive. So I understand the importance of creating some safety nets. And I I’d be interested to see how Disney does that for Fortnite.

Stefanie Bautista 43:10
Yeah.

Ariel Landrum 43:11
They’re Fornite.

Stefanie Bautista 43:11
They’re Fornite… If if ish?

Ariel Landrum 43:14
I don’t know. Yeah…

Stefanie Bautista 43:16
Whatever they’re planning.

Ariel Landrum 43:17
I’m a little confused as to whether it is in Fortnite or it is a separate game like Fortnite.

Stefanie Bautista 43:22
Knowing them. It’s probably going to be a separate Fortnite like game.

Ariel Landrum 43:26
Okay.

Stefanie Bautista 43:27
They would they would never I mean, it says Disney X Epic Games, which is like a collaborator.

Ariel Landrum 43:33
Yeah.

Stefanie Bautista 43:34
But not Disney X Fortnite.

Ariel Landrum 43:35
Yeah. Okay. okay.

Stefanie Bautista 43:36
Even though you can I think make skins or get skins that are like Disney.

Ariel Landrum 43:39
Yeah.

Stefanie Bautista 43:41
So, I mean, yeah, you’re absolutely right. I mean, even for like older male gamers, such as my husband, he still gets just nonsense on his headset. And he’s just like, “I’m on your team, man.”

Ariel Landrum 43:52
Yeah, yeah.

Stefanie Bautista 43:53
And through “Oh, just kidding, bro.” And he’s just like, there was literally no reason for that. So I definitely think that, you know, I hope like you that they put some safety measures, because in the virtual world is could be very, very scary. And you know, it will not be welcoming. If you know, those things aren’t put in place. Thinking of the youngest audience, I feel like now that we have the opportunity to say, here are the things that did work. And that didn’t work. We want to try and introduce these things as safely as possible for them so that they have the confidence and ability to want to explore these worlds. We don’t want to burn them out the minute that they get there. I mean, who would want to keep going in a world where they just feel hate and negativity? I don’t think there’s room for that. There’s already so much of it going around in real life that they shouldn’t be experienced that in a contained world.

Ariel Landrum 43:53
And I think that’s one of the reasons why we try to gravitate towards Disney is that escapism is the…

Stefanie Bautista 44:50
And it’s safe.

Ariel Landrum 44:51
And the layers of safety because it’s meant to be family friendly. It’s meant to be light hearted.

Stefanie Bautista 44:57
Yeah. So I really wonder how they’re going to strike that balance. That’s because you got to satisfy the Disney adults, but also know that the little ones are watching too. So, you know, there’s so much more to be said about video games and its evolution. Again, we are not video game experts. But we are just lovers of the video games that we have been exposed to. So if you guys have any other suggestions of video games that you guys love, either before or Now, let us know in our Instagram and our Twitter X and we want to call it anymore…

Ariel Landrum 45:28
The Twitter.

Stefanie Bautista 45:29
The Twitter, the Twitter X, whatever. But yeah, I think the future is going to be interesting.

Ariel Landrum 45:38
Yep, go ahead and DM us @HappiestPodGT.

Stefanie Bautista 45:42
Try out a new game. Tell us how you like it?

Ariel Landrum 45:46
Yeah.

Stefanie Bautista 45:46
Alright everyone. Thank you!

Ariel Landrum 45:47
Bye!

Media/Characters Mentioned
  • Disney Characters
  • Epic Games
  • Wreck-It Ralph
  • Epic Games
  • Fortnite
  • GameWorks
  • The Little Mermaid
  • Aladdin
  • Pokemon
  • Pokemon Go
  • Rock Band
  • Guitar Hero
  • Disneyland
Topics/Themes Mentioned
  • Disney’s Metaverse
  • Gaming Evolution
  • Community Engagement
  • Cultural Impact of Gaming
  • Storytelling in Games
  • Educational Gaming
  • Therapeutic Gaming
  • Handheld Games
  • Generational Gaming
  • Gaming Community
  • Community Building
  • Recovery
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Unlocking The Healing Powers of Play

February 16, 2024 · Discuss on the GT Forum

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#35: Step into a world where play and healing intertwine in Episode 35 of HPOE. Ariel, Stefanie, and special guest Maria delve into the transformative power of play therapy. Discover how Disney villains can become tools for empathy in therapy and how engaging with our favorite stories and characters can foster healing and growth. This episode is a heartwarming journey into embracing our inner child through the magic of play, offering insights for therapists, educators, and Disney lovers alike.

Register for the “Play Therapy: To Infinity and Beyond Conference” taking place at Disneyland and the Dinseyland Hotel from March 5-10th, 2024 here: https://www.anewhopetc.org/playatdisneyland

Summary

Summary of HPOE35: Unlocking The Healing Powers of Play

  1. Introduction (0:03): Ariel, Stefanie, and special guest Maria introduce the episode’s theme, focusing on integrating play in therapy and education.
  2. What is Play Therapy? (0:52): Maria explains the concept and application of play therapy, emphasizing its role in expressing and processing experiences beyond words.
  3. Play vs. Traditional Learning (2:34): Stefanie discusses the importance of play in education, challenging the conventional separation between play and learning.
  4. Play Therapy for Adults (3:17): Maria highlights the effectiveness of play therapy not just for children but for adults as well, particularly in couples counseling.
  5. Villains in Therapy (4:08): Maria shares her niche in using Disney villains as therapeutic tools, fostering empathy and understanding rather than pathologizing.
  6. Integrating Play in Therapy (5:15): Discussion on the diverse methods of incorporating play in therapy, including video games and expressive arts.
  7. Career Path to Play Therapy (6:58): Maria recounts her journey from aspiring to be a math teacher to becoming a play therapist.
  8. The Power of Play (13:03): The hosts and Maria discuss the universal and transformative power of play across different settings and ages.
  9. Disney’s Role in Therapy (16:56): The conversation turns to how Disney media can be utilized in therapeutic settings to facilitate discussion and healing.
  10. To Infinity and Beyond Conference (30:24): Maria talks about her upcoming conference at Disneyland, blending play therapy with the joy of Disney parks.
  11. Reflections on Play (36:29): The group reflects on the importance of play for both therapists and clients, encouraging listeners to find their own ways to play.
Transcription

Ariel Landrum 0:03
Hello, everyone, welcome to the Happiest Pod On Earth. I’m Ariel, I’m licensed therapist who uses clients’ passions and fandoms to help them grow and heal from trauma and mental unwellness.

Stefanie Bautista 0:13
And I’m Stef, I’m an educator who uses passions and fandoms to help my students grow and learn more about themselves and the world around them.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 0:20
And I’m Maria, I’m a licensed marriage and family therapist and registered play therapist who tries to find Disney and pop cultural references in everything for therapy.

Stefanie Bautista 0:29
And here at Happiest Pod, we dissect Disney mediums with a critical lens.

Ariel Landrum 0:33
Why? Because we’re more than just fans, we expect more from the mediums that you consume. So what Disney experience are we talking about today, everybody?

Stefanie Bautista 0:41
Well, we do have a special guest the welcome Maria, thank you so much for being on the podcast with us today. Maria, do you want to share a little bit about what you do as a play therapist? If no one knows what a play therapist is?

Maria Laquerre-Diego 0:52
Sure, sure. So as a registered play therapist with the Association for Play, which is based on in California, I incorporate the powers of play. And often what it comes down to is those moments that we don’t have the words to articulate what we’ve gone through, regardless of age. Play allows us to process and share those experiences with someone who’s trained to interpret play as communication.

Ariel Landrum 1:20
That’s really interesting, because I know, and I’m curious for you, I’m an art therapist, and we have very specific way in which we view art that’s different than using art therapeutically. So how do you use play as a play therapist versus a therapist who plays with their client?

Maria Laquerre-Diego 1:35
A great question, because we don’t just play with our clients. So play therapy is a model that goes on top of and includes your theory of change. So play therapy is a large umbrella, someone might be a narrative play therapist really focusing on storytelling and the powers of story, doing narrative work, but inner weaving their use of play techniques. Or they could be a solution focused play therapist or ecosystemic play therapist, right. So your theory of change will remain in play therapy is just a model that helps make the interventions more fun. And it removes the requirement to be in our brain and in our vocal space. So often, it can be really hard to talk about the hard things. And so having someone trained on the other side of the couch for you, who doesn’t need you to say the words but can give you alternate ways to express those things. That is that’s play therapy.

Stefanie Bautista 2:34
I love that in education play is a big part. But as teachers, it’s always like, “You have to stop playing now. Because we have to learn.” And it’s just like, the kids perspective is always like, “When are we allowed to play when are we going to play?” And I think this way, it’s kind of flipping the narrative a little bit and saying that, you know, we are learning through our play, but not necessarily saying you know, play as like a reward or whatever. Like it’s a way to express yourself in a way to communicate through play, because everybody talks about how body language is so important. That’s very important when it comes to play to because you are then using how you react to certain situations, how you’re interacting with other people, and how you’re doing decision making, as you know, a kid through play. It’s it’s really cool. I really love that.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 3:17
Yeah, great. Yeah. And yeah, play is learning, right? We are learning through play we have from the very I mean, when we think about infants, what what do we do we play peekaboo, right? We talk and sing songy voices that doesn’t need to go away. And so I’m, I’m excited also to talk about like using play with adults because it’s, it’s very much geared and marketed that play therapy is for children. But I use it with adults, I do it in couples counseling. It’s really helpful anytime. You don’t have the words necessarily or it’s too hard to vocalize.

Ariel Landrum 3:50
Well and for any of our listeners who have been listening to our episodes for a while episode 24 When we talked about Disney Villains we actually mentioned Maria and her talking and training on how to use villains and therapy as something that’s affirming as opposed to pathologizing.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 4:08
Love. Thank you so much. Was that from the TAGGS? That has really been my Yeah, no, that is my niche. So while I am very much a play therapist, and I’m very much a Disney fan, my my tend my fandoms tend to be Star Wars, Disney and Marvel except for when it comes to villains and then it’s DC. They’ve got bad guys done right. But yeah, being able to embrace the the power and the authenticity that comes from villains because typically, people who come to my care are not the heroes of their story. They’re usually labeled as the bad guy and are coming to meet for help. And that helps sometimes just turn it into let’s embrace this, you know, sometimes it’s okay to not go with the flow or question what’s always been done and to do things in a different way. Let’s embrace that. And let’s have a lot of fun with it.

Ariel Landrum 5:05
Yeah, I think that’s a really unique way to engage in, you know, play. Are there other new unique ways that you engage in play in your therapy sessions? Or that you think of play therapy?

Maria Laquerre-Diego 5:15
Yeah, I Well, I would say, again, play their visa, a wide variety of things. So here at our center, we do play from everything from expressive arts, to sand tray and sand play, right, using miniatures, and a sand tray setup. But we also, we have two different switch and PS setups in our office, because we do a lot of video game and play. Play can be whatever they’re comfortable with. And we just invite that into our therapy room. That is their language, especially more and more these days, right? Online gaming has gotten such a bad rap for such a long time. I’m old enough to say like, you know, when the internet started, you know, we were all told, like, you know, those aren’t your real friends. You don’t know them, right? Like those relationships aren’t real. And now we have the science to say, “Sorry, Mom and Dad, you’re wrong. Those are real relationships, and they hold real meaning and power in my life.” So yeah, if they’re if their favorite way of gaming is something that we can include, then we absolutely want to invite that in because it tells us so much. Right? This is where they’re spending their time and energy. I want to know about that.

Stefanie Bautista 6:26
Yeah, totally. I know that. Speaking of, you know, going back to when the internet started, and you know, when we were all forming our, you know, what are we going to do? Or what are we gonna do?

Ariel Landrum 6:37
Back in my day the Internet made sounds when you’re logged on?

Stefanie Bautista 6:41
It sure did. And, you know, at that time, I’m sure you know, we were all thinking of what careers we wanted to be when we grow, we grew up. Did you always think play therapy? Or were you just like, “Oh, I interested in therapists?” And play kind of came along as it evolved. Like, how did that journey work for you?

Maria Laquerre-Diego 6:58
I love that, because absolutely not. No. So I mean, up until like, my last year in high school, I thought I was gonna be a math teacher. I married one instead and so.

Ariel Landrum 7:10
Check check check.

And you and you incorporate play with with the math right?

Stefanie Bautista 7:18
Math is everywhere.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 7:19
So can play right play can be everywhere, too.

Stefanie Bautista 7:22
Yup absolutely.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 7:23
So then I went to undergrad and I was like psychology, “I’m interested in people. I like helping people.” And they were like, “It’s all research based.” I was like, “No, I don’t want to do that part.” So I ended up getting my master’s in marriage and family therapy and thought, like, “Yeah, I’m, I’m going to do family work, I’m going to do couples work, I’m going to be able to help, you know, adults be better adults.” You know, because the trickle down effect, right? In my mind, that’s where it was gonna go. I started private practice. And the woman who owned the group was like, “You are fantastic. You should work with kids.” And I was like, “No, thank you. No, thanks. No, I like I like, like the moody teen girls and like adults.” And she was like, “No, no, no, you need to come to a couple plates or trainings with me, and you really don’t like it, then fine, I’ll leave it alone.” That turned into being all in on Play. I’ve served on my like local state board as the president and past president for play therapy. I am now a provider for the Association for play therapy trainings. So I’m like “I’m all in.” But that was not my ideal job when I was like, but now I get to say I play for, like, my job. My job is to talk about villains and Disney and Marvel, and help people heal. I couldn’t have even imagined a job like this existing back before dial up was like old school.

Stefanie Bautista 8:48
I think that’s amazing. And I think that’s just the evolution of education now, and you know, knowing that you can start off wanting one thing, but as life, you know, grows us and gives us new opportunities. All it takes is one person to say, “Hey, I think you’d be really good at this.” And that opens up so many doors, and I love to tell you know, middle schoolers and high schoolers just because you say you want to do one thing and just because you said you wanted to be something when you’re younger, doesn’t mean that you can, you know, not either not achieve it or that’s not what you’re gonna you know, go to but other things will happen in your life. So I think you’re a great example of that.

Ariel Landrum 9:25
Yes, it can be really fear inducing to like change your mind, especially when it comes to like a career path or a decision of like, sustainability in your life. It feels unsustainable to to go off the track that you thought was meant for you. And it sounds like for you, it was really rewarding to have somebody say “Well just experiment, just get get a little try.”

Maria Laquerre-Diego 9:46
Like “No, there’s no lifelong commitment to it, right? Like take a couple of trainings and see if it lands,” and some of the early ones did not land and I was like, “This is crazy talk like this is not for me.” And then you know, being able to live We’re in like, really the base is in the the foundations for play. And then weave my own piece to it right? Like, that’s what we do we take those foundations and then we make them personal to us because that’s that’s where the magic is right? If I don’t believe it, if it’s not coming from my heart, the work that I’m doing is not going to be meaningful and helpful to anybody else. But it can also be really scary because the world is changing so fast. Does everyone want to see a therapist who talks about villains? No, I’m not everyone’s cup of tea, that’s okay. But it’s taken me a long time in my career to be like, “It’s okay, that I’m not the right person.” Because especially in those heat, helping fields, we are so primed to be like, “Help everybody, you need to help everybody be so thankful that everyone that shows up is there to see you.” And it’s like, “I mean, it can be thankful. But if I’m not the right person, this isn’t gonna work.” And then if you are the right person, and you want to come in, and you want to talk about Iron Man having panic attacks, and how that is so applicable to how you are experiencing panic attacks, I’m the girl for that.

Ariel Landrum 11:03
So I’m hearing also, part of the way that you engage in your work is I’m hearing some authenticity. And the other thing that I’m hearing is that that acceptance of the client, even if they’re not your client, right? There isn’t a projecting onto them this expectation. And so this makes me want to ask, does this mean you’re more of a non directive play therapist? And can you explain for the audience with the difference between a directive and non directive one is?

Maria Laquerre-Diego 11:32
But yeah, so play therapy kind of falls into two camps, depending on your theory, non directive is child centered, or person centered. So if you think of Rogerian therapy, right, like the therapy, the client gets to lead the session, and the therapist bears witness, but doesn’t really question or direct the therapy in any way. Then directive would be where they come in, and like, “Hey, we’re gonna do this thing together today. I am leading the session, based on our goals, based on your interests based on where we’re headed, I have worked on what we’re going to do in between, and I’m going to tell you, we’re going to spend some of our time doing this.” I do both.

Ariel Landrum 12:14
Okay okay hybrid.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 12:14
Because I think they’re especially when it’s new, whether it’s play therapy is new to them, or just therapy in general is new, it can be really scary to be like “Here, here’s my giant playroom, you can do whatever you want to do in these rooms.” And I’ll just have people go. Just freeze, right. And like, “This is too much. This is too much.” So we’ll do some initial like information gathering right? First couple of sessions is really kind of set and scripted of like, “I need to gather all this information I want to get to know you.” And then in the in the meat of it. It can be you know, “I had an idea for today. But did you have an idea for today? Because I’m going to defer to where you are because you’ve lived your life in the last week since I’ve seen you. So my idea of where we need to start may not match.”

Stefanie Bautista 13:03
Right.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 13:03
“But if it does cool, I’ve got this path that we can try out. And you can tell me if you like and if it’s fitting or you, tell me what you would like to do today.”

Ariel Landrum 13:11
I know for me, I’m also both in the way that I have my theories are in the way that I practice is that because I have cognitive behavioral therapy as a theory, because insurance will cover it. There’s a lot of direction, lots of worksheets, lots of homework, so that that is me directing. And then in our sessions as a narrative therapist, that’s where my client is more directing, because they’re crafting their story, not me. Stef for you, because you’re an educator, how directive do you have to be with the way that you are running programs? Or is there room for like your students to just kind of run amok?

Stefanie Bautista 13:48
Teachers run on schedules and agendas and things like that, I think it’s more sectioned out a little bit differently. I wish I could dedicate one day to be like, “Hey, you know, you guys are leaving today.” And that would be called Holding Centers for the kids. So you’d be like, “These are math centers. So you know, I have these games for you to play. We’re going to rotate so and so we’re going to do reading centers and literacy centers. So you guys will be you know, reading this one chapter books, you guys will be writing about that.” So it comes in different forms. And as you guys were talking, I’m like, “Oh, we do the same thing. It’s just called something different.”

Yeah, holding centers. That’s beautiful.

Ariel Landrum 14:25
Holding centers. Yeah. So you know, it’s kind of just because it’s us. And you know, our ratios are very different from therapy. It’s a one to like 20 or 27 depending on the school system that you work for. So I think as teachers, you know, an educators you have to be creative about how you hold your spaces, because the ratios are just so massive, you know. And when you do hold spaces for one on one that happens during the larger group doing something else, and then you would be like, “Okay, we’re going to be doing a reading, you know, test today or we’re going to be like assessing you in this certain way.” Um, so yeah, it comes in different ways, but very similar to what you guys do just not exactly. Same, same but different.

No, I love that. I love that sharing of language because now I have I have something that I can ask you more about that. I like that, that that terminology. Because we’re saying like person centered, that’s one person that sounds very student centered still.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 15:24
Talk about systems, right? Like, that’s all the people in whatever system, depending on if you’re going really micro or macro.

Ariel Landrum 15:32
LMFT is an LCSW are very systemic thinking right? Who’se invovled in this child’s life?

Maria Laquerre-Diego 15:37
We want to know all the goods and who has access to this kiddo. But it is that shared language, right? Like, just as we’re experiencing this, this is what play can do. If I can learn the language of their play. I’ve cracked the code, and they don’t have to decipher it for me.

Stefanie Bautista 15:53
It’s very interesting that you said that, because I was just thinking that, you know, when you see your clients, you’re trying to figure things out, right? You’re trying to see, you know, what systems in their life, or, you know, making these outcomes happen. For us, it happens already in front of us. And we have to like go the other way, and figure it out. So if I see, you know, little Sally outside, just hitting every kid that she can possibly. So there’s the behavior. So now that tells me X, Y, and Z. And now I have to backtrack and figure that out to where as you guys kind of already might have known the behavior and are now trying to you know, make those certain connections. So it’s it’s very interesting, different perspectives. And yeah, it’s really cool.

Ariel Landrum 16:34
So what I’m hearing is therapists and educators are engineers.

Stefanie Bautista 16:40
We do it all.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 16:42
Yes.

Ariel Landrum 16:42
And we need are flowers.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 16:43
In you know, the version of cash instead of flowers.

Oh I didn’t know we were going there for this podcast. Yes please.

Stefanie Bautista 16:56
Anyway, as this is a Disney, you know, podcast, and you know, you’re a big fan of Disney just like, oh, we are, how did you feel when you were like, “Oh, my gosh, I can use what I love. In my job.” Was that just kind of like a mind blowing moment for you? Where you were like, “I can make this connection? And it makes sense. And I don’t have to like, stretch for it.”

Maria Laquerre-Diego 17:17
Yes. So I’ll tell you, there was a couple of moments, there was one that I was like, “I already was not a real word already. therapies, everything I watch and consume, right?” Like this natural setting in my brain. Much to the dismay of my family, we always have to do things twice once for the family to enjoy it and then once so that Mommy can like therapy and the crap out of it, right? Yes,

Ariel Landrum 17:38
Are that are you that meme where it was like that? That fictitional therapist is doing something unethical.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 17:46
Yeah, I have all training on fictitious therapists and now the damage that they’re doing? Absolutely.

Ariel Landrum 17:52
That’s another episode we would like t have actually.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 17:57
Yeah, so I was like, Well, I kind of with kids, it’s easy. It’s an easy step, right? Because they’re into like spider man or the Avengers or Ninja Turtles. So it’s easy for me to kind of like weave the storytelling in for kids, because they’re already talking about that. And instead of be going, we’re not talking about Paw Patrol. Today, we’re going to talk about your feelings. We can talk about feelings using Paw Patrol so that they’re still interested in engaged in the get the connection. Right. So that was one moment of like, “Oh, I can I can do this.” And then I had a couple of identify self identify geek adult clients that I was seeing. And I was like, let’s try. Let’s try this. And that went well. And then one other moment was like, “I’m gonna I would put out a training on like, the villain stuff,” right? Because if you’re in the world of, of kind of Geek Therapy, pop culture and superheroes. Sophie Ansari is like my goddess, and I go to her for all things. superheroes and pop culture. Did my own kind of like version of that, and then really was like, oh, people like this. I wonder I wonder if I could get them to like, like villains like I like villains. It is not gonna land for everybody. And I get that and that’s okay. But what if, what if, like two therapists heard me talk about using villains? And we’re like, “Ooh, that sounds interesting.” And I’ve been now doing villain talks for probably two years. And it’s just that I like I seriously I pinch myself and I’m like, I get to spend the day talking about villains and making lightsabers with people like this is my job and I love it.

Ariel Landrum 19:42
Calling back to the earlier conversation. There’s another path that you didn’t expect you would take which is training and then training specifically on a topic and a subject that excites you and training on what I think before your trainings was seen as taboo, like if a child or an adult loves the villain there that gets pathologized are seen as like, “Oh, they’re manifesting this like dark part of themselves.” And you really turn the light on, on the fact that that automatic assumption or automatic belief was not only not helpful, it was not client centered. It was really looking at it through this like very narrow lens, like the Satanic Panic back in the days, right? Like the, and you found more nuance in the subject matter.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 20:26
Yeah, yeah, I think it’s still one of my first three slides is like liking a villain is not pathologizing. And it’s not a diagnosis. You know, and, you know, Marvel doesn’t know, but they’ve come and backed me up. And when we had a whole Loki series, right, like, all based around, and because it’s not because I’m the only person who finds villains interesting, Disney would not just do that, for me. There has to be enough of an interest. And I think that there really is a really, you know, these are stories I’ve been told and consumed, because they’re interesting. And they’re interesting, because they speak to us.

Stefanie Bautista 21:00
Yeah.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 21:01
You know, and so being able to just encourage people to, like, lean in and learn more, instead of being scared and hold these, you know, misbeliefs, or these old ideologies that, you know, villains are the bad guys, I was like, well, it’s all about perspective.

Stefanie Bautista 21:14
And it’s really, you know, focusing on a person as a whole, right, instead of putting them as like, you know, a binary system zero or one like, you know, you’re either good or bad. Like that, in itself is so harmful. And I think, you know, Loki is a great example, because I love that series up and oh my gosh, it’s like my favorite, I could talk about it all day.

Ariel Landrum 21:31
And again, if any of you are just new to our podcasts, or have been listening, in Episode 14, we had another clinician Rachel who talked about trauma adoption and the experience of being an adoptee and a foster care system. And that was Leaning Into Loki’s Journey. So if you want to see that with a new perspective, check out that episode.

Stefanie Bautista 21:53
And now knowing that the series is pretty much, you know, come full circle, and he’s, you know, finished his arc, I think, looking back at that, and those conversations that we had about, you know, his origin and what he’s gone through, is really important to see villains not just as the bad guys, and that there are people who have their own experiences and the decisions that they make. It just contributes to the whole story as a whole human are a whole host superhuman, I guess, a demigod in the sense. But still a person who feels who goes through things who has struggles, and is trying to just figure themselves out just like everybody else.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 22:28
It’s really easy to kind of view it as when someone comes in for help, right? They have one version of their story. And people have been putting assumptions and views on them without having the rest of the information. As therapists we get to sit back and go, “Okay, tell me the rest of the information.” Right. And we know that this is important, right? Like movies like Maleficent and Cruella. Right? Like, those are villain origin stories, it’s the why to why they were behaving that way later on in the storyline, or later on in life, all behavior have an explanation. Being able to embrace the villain side goes, tell me tell me why this is serving you because it’s serving you in some way. Rather than being like stop.

Ariel Landrum 23:14
And talking from that systemic lens and thinking of those villains. It’s the examples of the lack of intervention through pivotal moments, right? Whereas like, we are an example of interventionist interventionist in an individual’s life. If you have an educator that’s caring, if you have a counselor that’s caring, if you have a therapist that’s caring all of these opportunities that can help someone gain essentially growth and understanding or if they’ve experienced trauma, post traumatic growth. And in the cases with some of our villains they have they didn’t have people intervening, they didn’t have the support network or the caring helper.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 23:50
Yeah, well, in so many of them, you know, the other thing we can talk about is like those redemption arcs, are those shifts, right? The you’ve been the villain in the story for so long? Do you want to keep going? Or do you want to share with others the reasoning behind and no longer have that lens? Right? And, you know, I was bringing up Civil War as an example, the MCU Civil War, because those were two groups of heroes battling, you know, so how do you pick a villainous side? And it’s like, well, it was it was really about perspective. And what was important to either of them felt like they were the bad guy, and no, we had two groups of superheroes battling it out.

Ariel Landrum 24:24
And it definitely makes me think of like, with Moana, how we had to Te-Ka and we turned out she was Te Fiti right this whole time. And even though the story wasn’t primarily about her, the redemption was this, like villainizing of this deity and stealing and taking and pillaging like, what ends up happening, and what needs to be created to have repair. And I can’t think of many stories that at least Disney narratives that have a like big baddie not end does a big baddie.

Stefanie Bautista 25:01
I mean, to an extent, like even in Frozen they villainized Elsa. And she was not the villain. She is very much the main character. But they were so threatened by her and her power that that became the villain. And I think that’s what one of the early times that people are like, “Okay, the narrative has shifted a little bit, and we’re not seeing, you know, just like a monster that they have to defeat. It’s really, you know, the perspective again.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 25:26
Yeah no, I love that. And like Moana can easily be used, as you know, as an example of an interventionist, right? She doesn’t need someone to see her for who she was, and be able go, “We we can fix that we can heal that part of you so that you’re no longer raging and destroying.” But that can’t happen until they’re seen, right? Until Mallanna. was able to look you know her in her rage form and say, “Oh, I see you see you and I’m not scared.”

Stefanie Bautista 25:56
Yeah.

Ariel Landrum 25:56
I want to note on something that I think I think for you, there’s some intentionality. And I’m making a big assumption, make a big assumption, but from seeing on the outside, and now that I have you trapped in my podcasts I can ask, I think you you title things intentionally because I think of both your counseling center and I think now of the CE program that’s coming up that I even signed up for. So could you tell me what are this this titling that you do? And what comes into that?

Maria Laquerre-Diego 26:26
Yes, it’s a little tongue in cheek. So my parents would probably tell you that while I was a very bright and very social child, I also had a love for the sarcasm. That didn’t go away with age, I think I just got like more rooted and permanent with age. So when we bought the group practice, it was named after the previous owner, and I was like, “We need a new name. I don’t want my name because my name is long and convoluted, depending on which system I’m in.” And so I actually sat with my husband, and I was like, “I want something that’s like nerdy for those that get it, get it. But it’s also like, if you didn’t know it was the counseling name like that would also..”

Ariel Landrum 27:04
If you know, you know,

Stefanie Bautista 27:05
If you know, you know, yep, yep, yep. Yep.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 27:08
So we played around and like, I’m also a very, very big fan of Firefly, but Serenity Counseling is like overly saturated in the market. And I didn’t want that. And so he was like, “What about A New Hope?” “Oh, done, done, done, done, done. Let me find the registration name. The domain name is mine now. Yes, yes. Let’s play with that.” You know, and paying homage but not stealing, because it’s not my information. But yeah, if you look on our website, there’s lots of love to all things fandom from our blogs. You know, some of our logo work, to even like our headshot pictures. If you go through, pick out a therapist, they all have their fandoms like displayed in their photo with them. I have really fun headshots with my lightsaber in my dual bladed dark gray lightsaber. And then yeah, and then so my next thing was like, “I wonder if I could get away with doing some learning and training and some playing at Disney? How do I make these few things work? Legitimately. And also, because I would like to go to Disney with a bunch of other like nerdy therapists and like, just have fun.”

Ariel Landrum 28:28
And for our SoCal audience, she does mean Disney Land, not Disney World. So there’s a big divide between the Disney’s, so this is the Disneyland not the Disney World. Within the community. It’s drama. It’s drama every.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 28:44
Love to both love.

Stefanie Bautista 28:46
Right love to both.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 28:47
Disneyand was just an easier navigation for this first time out of like, “How do you do parks and learning and not like run people ragged or lose them to the parks?” Because…

Ariel Landrum 29:00
When you have to take a boat into your park. Yeah I get it.

Stefanie Bautista 29:03
You will lose them. It’s a world not a land.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 29:05
I can’t have a conference happening at Disney and “Go but you cannot go to the parks. You must stay here and listen to me talk.” I mean, that’s just crazy talk. So yeah, so this Play Therapy: To Infinity and Beyond conference happening at Disneyland is my attempt to blend the play and the learning through play with the lecture that is required by all of our licensing boards. Pre COVID con going to conferences used to be super fun. Like I remember just having so much fun while learning and getting to network and connect with people and feeling that energy in the room. And I haven’t been to anything like that since COVID happened so even returning to in person it’s just like we’re trying to pack in so much in the short amount of time. That I was like I want dedicated time to play in the parks like go play. If you’re a rope dropper, awesome. If you’re there for the night scene cool. Go go play, do one little piece of learning while you’re in there that will use the next day during lecture. But one you can’t go to Disney and not play like that just seems super silly. But two learning it should be fun.

Ariel Landrum 30:24
Yes.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 30:24
Learning should be fun. Yes, that’s required for our licensing boards. And yes, it’s required for professional development in the better of what we’re doing with our brains. But I want to have fun doing. And so yeah, I was like, I’m just gonna, I’m just gonna throw this together and put it out there and see if there’s anybody else who wants to like claim a Disney conference for work. And come and have fun with me.

Stefanie Bautista 30:48
That is the best.

Ariel Landrum 30:50
And how many attendees Do you have signed up right now?

Maria Laquerre-Diego 30:52

  1. We’ve got a nice group of 30 people coming.

Stefanie Bautista 30:56
That’s amazing. I mean, the first time Ariel told me about this, I was like, “What? Wait a minute. So you’re saying that I work with children. And in order for me to be successful in that I should also be a child for a day.” That makes too much sense. I wish more education conferences happened at Disneyland. I’m just putting it out there for anybody who’s listening that’s in charge of these things, but the therapists are doing it right. So we should take notes.

Ariel Landrum 31:24
We are doing some play in the park. One of the things that we were curious, because I don’t think you’ve been to Disneyland since it’s been revamped. Since it’s been renovated, correct?

Maria Laquerre-Diego 31:34
I was there in March

Ariel Landrum 31:36
Of last year?

Maria Laquerre-Diego 31:37
Yeah.

Ariel Landrum 31:38
So I don’t think Toontown would have been renovated then did it?

Maria Laquerre-Diego 31:40
Yeah, I was there just like right after opening weekend, so I get did get to visit Toontown and do the runaway railcar.

Stefanie Bautista 31:48
Okay, okay. So what are your thoughts specifically because I and I want Stef to share because she has littles Toontown is more expansive now. I think it is very catered towards getting your wiggles out. So for you, is there a thought of that in for the conference or consideration and then Stef? I’m curious for you, how has it been for you with the kids and having that more expansive space?

Yeah, I mean, for me, having littles at the park, I was like, “Oh, my gosh, if I need my little one to run around, where do they do that?” And I was trying to find specific pockets in the park to have them just run loose. And I found this like little indent where I think the characters come out in Cars Land, where I could just corral my child and let him run around. But it was so small, it was literally an employee entrance. And I was like, “This is safe. This is not you know, anything where I’m going to lose them. They can go one way or the other. I have like full vision of them.” And I was like, “Why don’t we have more of these spaces?” And I think that was right, as Toontown was getting renovated, and then they opened it up and I was like, “Oh my gosh, a play area. Why didn’t they have this before that’s what was missing an actual playground because, you know, we go to the parks, we you know, go to a playground, they have a play structure, all that stuff. Disneyland didn’t quite have something like that Toontown was just very much like the other lands where you know, they have the open space for you to walk through park stroller, but you go into whatever attraction are going to but knowing that attraction is probably full has a waitlist, you have to be on Disney, you know, Genie+ all that stuff. It’s just not ideal to just have your kid run around. So I was very happy with the expansion because I remember being a kid when Toontown first opened they did have those play places but they weren’t really too friendly for like the little littles which I had, I’d have a one and a three year old so definitely need to get their wiggles out so that we can get on the ride later on.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 33:43
I love that yeah, it think you know Disney is great at doing like their immersive experience, right? So Galaxy’s Edge for me it was one of the first times that I was like, “We are not in California anymore like right?” And they do they do that wonderfully but they they’ve done that so much catered towards adults. Right. I think Toontown now is really what what that is but for children where it started right like Disney was was meant for children there you know, there’s no shame in being a Disney Adult but like, originally it was it was a place for families to bring their kids to play. But it was very became very quickly became like stand in this line. Do this ride. Stand in this line do this ride. But things would like Galaxy’s Edge, Avengers you know Avengers Campus and now Toontown I think it’s more of like really immersive you can play while not being in line while being in line. You know, can I even think about like the long lines for like the Indiana Jones Right? Like it’s interactive in pieces. But this I think was really helpful for them to go. “What do the little ones need? Right? Because we got the Disney Adults on hook. They’re the ones footing the bill to come? Well, like how do we How’d you let these little ones whose attention spans are much smaller still really enjoy being here? Because we want them to come back?” And I think that was their answer to that.

Stefanie Bautista 35:10
Yeah, I’m definitely thinking that these Imagineers are now our age have kids of their own. I was like, Something’s missing here because I am too stressed out to be at the parks.”

Maria Laquerre-Diego 35:22
If you think about, like, you know, taking a little one from like, one ride line to another line line to another, like you don’t get to, like, enjoy, whereas the you can walk around Galaxy’s Edge and just like enjoy the ambiance and the walkthroughs. And so being able to see that expand, you know, and they’ve got Avengers Campus now, right where you can do similar things. But, ya know, in terms of like the conference, I mean, one of my hopes and directives is like getting them to go to Toontown as an adult, and play in that giant, you know, play structure and take some pictures, I’ve been trying to lift the weights or break out of the window bars. Because it can still be easy to be an adult at Disney. And the whole point of this is like, we’re gonna go back and like capture our, our, our child’s heart and let that play at Disney. Because yes, you can be an adult at Disney and do all of the adult things and have a great time. And I’m hoping that they tap into like their child’s heart and go look at this for the first time and just experience the wonder and play and like, what is that doing for you?

Stefanie Bautista 36:29
And that vulnerability to just have fun. I think my favorite thing is when I’m at Toontown and they have that slide where it’s a bunch of little rolly pins or like like rolly things, every adult that I’ve seen that goes on there goes into it with such glee and then they come out of it like my back my butt oh my god every and then some people go ahead and do it for a second time. And it’s really hilarious because you you let that go you actually give yourself space to enjoy and you know, be a Disneyland to play.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 37:01
Well and play can look so different. Right? So I mean, my my friends listening to this now go Maria is the one who’s like, “Here’s our agenda. I’ve got our lightning leads, I’ve got our Genie+,” like I am, but that is my playful side like I will do that and that brings me joy and then I will drop everything when Maleficent walks by or Kylo Ren and like I am all in. And so maybe your play is thrill seeking and you’re trying to get all of those lightning lanes and you know doing Guardians and doing Incredicoaster. Maybe your play is just being aware of your surroundings and realizing and enjoying the fact that you’re not answering emails, you’re not in your office, you’re able to watch other people right like who’s not a people watcher at Disney. You’re able to watch other families you know, have fun and maybe that connects to something that you’re trying to heal still or that you’ve forgotten. Yeah, so I love you know, Disney. There’s so many ways to play at Disney, not just the rides. That I love that they’re kind of expanding that with Toontown and I hope hope it continues in that way.

Stefanie Bautista 38:07
I mean, you were just mentioning different ways to play what’s your favorite way to play at Disneyland? Like what’s your thing?

Maria Laquerre-Diego 38:12
I’m very much a rides thrill seeker I love the Guardians love the in Incredicoaster. When I’m not at Disney I’m still like Disney Dreamlight Valleying on my thing. I am the one who is like doing cosplay or Disneybounding with my ears unabashedly I’ve ever really gotten comfortable on like plays important and it’s okay if I look silly doing it. But yeah, I would say probably those those thrill seekers and then like grabbing those lightning lanes and Genie+ things like that I get such a like little giggle when I’m like we got it.

Ariel Landrum 38:53
Like a lottery win.

Stefanie Bautista 38:56
It is it is a game sometimes a cruel game because you’re like, “The schedule just didn’t go in my favor,” but but if you is such a delight when you get all the ones that you want, because you’re just like, “Dang what a win.”

Ariel Landrum 39:09
Stef, what’s your favorite way to play at the park?

Stefanie Bautista 39:12
I mean, different phases of my life. Right? Like I’ve been going to Disneyland like regularly since I was probably you know, a little one. I was. Yeah, true blue Angeleno. I mean Toontown when it was just open I remember going there and it looking wildly different so when it was much more affordable Of course, you know, just to play at the parks just have that time with my family that’s not in you know the house and just me being a kid. But I think you know, as a teenager I want a lot with my now husband and we experienced different ways to play at the park one day we would just people watch one day we just spent on Main Street just like going into the little shops and like looking at all the little details because you could just do that and not have like a ride heavy day. Um Being a foodie at the parks, that’s definitely my thing, trying all the new things because now they’ve they’ve heard us because we spend the money for all of the things. So definitely being a foodie dressing up at the parks, that’s one of my favorite. I think now in the season of having children, I think it’s just, you know, giving them opportunities with my expanse of knowledge. That is a learning curve in itself. Because you know, you want to do all these things. But the limitations be like, you know, what I could just focus on one thing we could just focus on, It’s A Small World, and just have them write it over and over and over again, so that they have that wonder, and that’s okay. And that was something that I had to learn for myself that I don’t have to do a full, you know, rope drop to park close to both parks at the same time, we could just focus on one area and just let them explore that. And I think that’s rediscovering Disney as you know, not just an adult, but a parent, too, is definitely you know, a way to play as well. It’s a game.

Ariel Landrum 41:00
Stef is the one who got me to start going to Disney fairly regularly. Because before then the only time I had gone was like twice when I was a kid. And as military brat is because I was not even in this continent. I was not here. So my favorite way because it’s from the perspective, I think of like an adult is I either try to get my money’s worth, which, you know, I’ve learned like you’ve already spent the money there’s no way to get your money’s worth. But psychologically I feel like there is trying to pack things up, or it’s food oriented, and it’s so much food oriented now that I’ve like gotten into niche Disney fandom communities where they like mix different foods from different carts. And it’s like, I want to get the bread from a Maurices. And like fill it with the the meat from this cart and like make my own sandwich. Like it is now the Yeah, I think it’s food related and then seeing how I can individualize the experience as as if no one else has done it before even though I learned it from a Tiktok.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 42:07
I love that and you know, finding like the hidden gems like you know, I we went to The Beast’s Library for the first time this this past March, and we had been like four times in the last four years. But that was the first time I was like, God, I’m not, I’m not just chasing down the rides like I want the experiences to so doing like Crush Talk, and then the library are super fun. But Ariel, you must be delighted that the conference is happening during the Food and Wine Fest.

Ariel Landrum 42:32
I’m so excited, I will be getting the Sipper Pass. Now as some of the audience members who’ve listened, no, I’m allergic to alcohol. So I will just be doing the food part. But if my partner is able to come one of the days, I’ll probably get both and he can try the wine and I’ll try the food.

Stefanie Bautista 42:49
If not, I mean I can volunteer as tribute and just drink all your thing. It’s not like I’m pregnant. Anyway.

Ariel Landrum 42:55
Speaking of the conference, so our audience members are aware. Again, it is the Play Therapy: To Infinity and Beyond. And it is taking place at Disneyland from March 5 through the 10th 2024. So if you’re listening to this another year, you missed it sorry. It includes an immersive journey to play therapy, training on innovative techniques and tools and includes virtual reality and digital play. And the conference is designed with just a wide range of therapists. So they’re going to focus on positive psychology, on tools for telehealth, and of course, include cultural considerations and family play. And there will be days that occur in the park as well as convention days at the Disneyland Hotel.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 43:38
It’s gonna be so fun. And if you are listening to this, and it’s past our March dates, just know we are looking at 2026 for another one.

Ariel Landrum 43:50
Okay!

Stefanie Bautista 43:50
Love that. Yeah, we are planning ahead, y’all!

Ariel Landrum 43:53
But if this is before March, you can sign up at ANewHopeTC.org/PlayAt Disneyland. So one more time, ANewHopeTC.org/PlayAt Disneyland. This was wonderful. Thank you, everybody.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 44:12
Thank You. Thanks for having me. This was so fun.

Ariel Landrum 44:14
Absolutely. When we will definitely be tapping you on future podcasts because I feel like we have so much more to talk about.

Where can our audience follow and find you?

Maria Laquerre-Diego 44:22
Yeah, so our website is ANewHopeTC.org We’re on Facebook, Instagram @ANewHopeTC.

Ariel Landrum 44:32
Beautiful, and as always, you can follow Happiest Pod on Instagram and I still call it Twitter. But apparently it’s x. And it is @HappiestPodGT. Again, @HappiestPodGT. And you can go to GeekTherapy.org to follow all of our episodes and blog posts.

Stefanie Bautista 44:51
And I encourage in the spirit of play everybody try to find their way to play this week, wherever you are. All right. Thank you everyone.

Ariel Landrum 44:57
Thanks everyone. Bye bye

Media/Characters Mentioned
  • Disney Villains
  • Spider-Man (Marvel)
  • Avengers (Marvel)
  • Ninja Turtles
  • Paw Patrol
  • Loki (Marvel)
  • Maleficent (Disney)
  • Cruella (Disney)
  • Moana (Disney)
  • Elsa (Frozen, Disney)
Topics/Themes Mentioned
  • Play Therapy
  • Education Through Play
  • Disney and Therapy
  • Villains as Therapy Tools
  • Adult Play Therapy
  • Career Change to Play Therapy
  • Integrating Play and Learning
  • Disney Parks as Therapeutic Spaces
  • Cultural Impact of Disney Characters

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Disney Animation Studios The Concert

August 17, 2023 · Discuss on the GT Forum

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#34: Join Ariel and Stefanie in a magical evening under the stars for Episode 34 of HPOE. Relive their enchanting experience at the Disney Animation Studios The Concert at the Hollywood Bowl, celebrating Disney’s 100th anniversary. From the melodies of the LA Philharmonic to the emotional resonance of Disney classics, immerse yourself in their journey through this musical extravaganza. This episode is a blend of nostalgia, joy, and insights into creating inclusive experiences for all Disney enthusiasts.

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Summary

HPOE34

  1. Introduction (0:10): Stefanie and Ariel introduce the episode, focusing on their experience at the Disney Animation Concert at the Hollywood Bowl for Disney’s 100th anniversary.
  2. Personal Experiences (2:07): The hosts share their personal stories from the concert, including the effects of the SAG-AFTRA strikes and making it a special girls’ night out.
  3. Disneybounding (3:07): Discussion about dressing up in Disney-themed outfits for the event.
  4. Concert Atmosphere (6:08): The hosts talk about the magical ambiance at the Hollywood Bowl, including the attendees’ Disney-themed attire.
  5. Transportation and Accessibility (7:02): Tips and experiences regarding transportation to the Hollywood Bowl, emphasizing convenience and accessibility.
  6. Picnic at the Bowl (8:06): Insights on the unique picnic experience at the concert venue.
  7. Concert Highlights (14:30): Impressions of the LA Philharmonic’s performance, featuring songs from Disney movies.
  8. Sensitivity and Inclusion (18:04): Reflections on the cultural sensitivity of the music presentation, avoiding problematic scenes.
  9. Emotional Moments (20:34): Discussion on the performances that were particularly moving and emotional.
  10. Community Engagement (24:10): Observations on audience behavior and the importance of inclusivity for all attendees.
  11. Accessibility and Accommodations (29:31): The significance of utilizing available accommodations for an enhanced experience.
  12. Managing Stimuli at Public Events (34:25): Insights into attending large events with children and managing various stimuli.
  13. Audience Behavior (39:13): Thoughts on concertgoers’ expectations and creating an inclusive environment.
  14. Educational Value (45:10): Stefanie’s perspective as an educator on the educational benefits of such events.
  15. Closing Thoughts (50:21): Final remarks on the concert experience and an invitation for audience interaction.
Transcription

Stefanie Bautista 0:10
Hello, everyone, welcome to the Happiest Pod On Earth. I’m Stef . I’m an educator who uses passions and fandoms to help my students grow and learn about themselves and the world around them.

Ariel Landrum 0:19
And I’m Ariel, I’m a licensed therapist who uses clients passions and fandoms to help them grow and heal from trauma and mental unwellness.

Stefanie Bautista 0:27
Here at happiest pod, we dissect Disney mediums with a critical lens. Why?

Ariel Landrum 0:31
Because we are more than just fans, we expect more from the mediums we consume. So what Disney experience are we dissect interface Stef?

Stefanie Bautista 0:39
So it’s definitely an experience and it’s a experience that’s kind of very specific. If you live in Los Angeles. I had the pleasure of actually being Ariel’s date to the Walt Disney Animation Concert at the Hollywood Bowl. It’s called Walt Disney Animation Studios, The Concert. I thought that this was just, you know, one off Disney event. But of course, why did I forget that it was Disney’s 100th anniversary. So they’ve been celebrating all year since last September or August. And of course, this is one of those promo events. Part of course, you know, they have concert series and everything like that, but this was very Disney 100-forward, which was great. Just to give you a little bit of background. The LA Philharmonic is the resident at the Hollywood Bowl for the summertime. They hold lots of different concerts, classical music concerts, pop music, concerts, reggae concert, hip hop concerts, but the LA Philharmonic they do, they’re scheduled there. And during the winter, they go to the Walt Disney Concert Hall. Even though they’re at the Walt Disney Concert Hall. They don’t specifically do Disney things. It just happens to be that way. But I thought that it was really interesting that we went to a Disney Concert, not at the Disney Hall, but at the Hollywood Bowl? You know? Fun times! It covered a wide range of just Disney animation movies. So we didn’t see any live action movies. We didn’t go into Star Wars. We didn’t go into Marvel. This was strictly old school animation. And a lot of people were really excited for that, right?

Ariel Landrum 2:07
Yes, yes, I was definitely excited. Originally, I had bought the tickets as a package deal with my partner and another couple as way to go on a couple of date, given the SAG-AFTRA strikes going on right now, my partner is not working because he works in transportation. And he’s a 399. So they aren’t striking, but they aren’t crossing any picket lines in solidarity. And he found a job and he had to take the job in order to you know, make any money.

Stefanie Bautista 2:37
Make a living.

Ariel Landrum 2:38
Make a living. And the job doesn’t again cross the picket line. But it did involve him going all the way to Texas and being gone for like a whole month. And as a result, I needed to find a new date. So of course, I asked Stef…

Stefanie Bautista 2:52
Thank you!

Ariel Landrum 2:52
And then her friend Liz, and her husband, Benji, he was like, “Well, if you know her partner isn’t going and you have a friend coming out of town. Her name’s Dawn, how about you make it a Girl’s Day?” So we all four of us went and saw Disney Animation and even dressed up?

Stefanie Bautista 3:07
Yes, we did. We all tried. Well, me I tried to Disneybound they had their wonderful Disneybound outfits planned out, because Ariel had bought these tickets months in advance. So Ariel if you want to go first because mine was very last minute.

Ariel Landrum 3:23
So I had bought a dress that had a purple scallop top, and a very green, light green bottom. So you know, Ariel The Mermaid, and long dress covered my feet. And halter tops so no straps. And the scalp shaped did look very much like the seashells and that’s that’s what I were. Yeah.

Stefanie Bautista 3:46
Yeah, it was beautiful. I love that. And it was such a steal. Right? You didn’t even spend a lot of money on it.

Ariel Landrum 3:52
No, it was like, you know, talk about fast fashion. It was about six or seven bucks. So I figured even if it’s not like that cute, maybe I could like put pins on it. Or I could put like a cardigan like maybe I could make it look better than $7 but it did not look like dollars.

Stefanie Bautista 4:07
Oh, not at all the quality was actually really good. And it was perfect Disneybound. The shade the hue all of it was perfect. She didn’t have to do anything. She just had to let her hair go. And boom. Ariel was Ariel. Yeah. And so Liz, she and her friend Dawn. They both dressed up. They both did Disneybounds as well. Liz reprised her Jasmine Disneybound which you were to Dapper Day I believe, right?

Ariel Landrum 4:32
Yes. And if you listen to our Dapper Day episode, and we described it in in great detail, it’s down to the point of the dyes that she used for her gloves. In this case she didn’t wear the gloves, but she did bring Abu along with her Genie backpack. Her Genie Loungefly backpack.

Stefanie Bautista 4:51
Yes, yes. And then Dawn, she was lucky enough that Liz put together a Disneybound for her and she was a Mulan with the pinks and the red and the blue colorblocking. And for me, I was sifting through my closet because I had nothing to wear. And I ended up wearing these black jogger kind of loose pants. My Doc Martin sandals and like a green olive green top and I was Ping. I ended up just tying my hair up in a bun. And I remember seeing somebody Disneybound as Ping and I was like, “I can absolutely do that.” And so we had a Mulan and we had a Ping, which was pretty cool.

Ariel Landrum 5:35
Yes. And in case you you’ve forgotten remember that Ping is Mulan alter ego in the Army.

Stefanie Bautista 5:42
Yes, her alter male ego. Was her alter male ego while Mulan was Mulan. And it all worked out. I think it was really fun seeing a lot of people Disneybound for the event. A lot of little kids dressing up in their Disney Princess and Prince outfits. I actually didn’t think that we were going to see that many but then even just getting onto the bus to get to the Hollywood Bowl we saw people Disneybounding and it was great..

Ariel Landrum 6:08
Or wearing at least beautiful dresses with Disney print. I saw a lot of that. Fantasia with Sorcerer Mickey being like a very common print I remember seeing. And then lots of as the evening went on and got darker flower crowns and like wands that lit up like…

Stefanie Bautista 6:27
Yeah.

Ariel Landrum 6:28
Little sparkly star wands.

Stefanie Bautista 6:30
I did see a lot of Disney ears, which was cool. I think at the Hollywood Bowl, it’s totally appropriate to wear something like that because it is a bowl it is looking down. So even if you wear ears, you’re not going to be blocking anybody’s view. So at the very least, people were wearing ears or even just things that they would wear to the parks. I feel.

Ariel Landrum 6:50
Yes, yes. I think I saw some people carrying their own popcorn buckets, like Disney popcorn buckets that they collect. So certainly a crowd of Disney aficionados.

Stefanie Bautista 7:02
Yeah, for sure. I mean, even on the bus right there. We just kind of felt like we were on the tram ride in ways. Just a bunch of Disney adults going to a concert. It definitely felt like right at home. For us, we there’s a couple of ways to get to the Hollywood Bowl. If you ever want to do anything like this, you could definitely drive there, when you park. Just kind of know that it’s stacked parking. So once you park in there, you can’t get out until the person behind you gets out. But because we live kind of close to the venue, we take a bus, we park and ride basically. And you can either park on the street or you can park to another parking lots, which is also stacked parking. And you can get to The Bowl that way through their bus or you can take public transportation, it drops in the middle of Hollywood and you have to take a little quick hike. So if you people want to experience hiking in LA, but also want to go to The Bowl, that’s your chance to do it. Won’t guarantee that you’ll look cute at at the top, but you’ll get there.

Ariel Landrum 8:06
We did We did take the bus and it dropped us up at the top, we got to also pack and bring our own food. With the Hollywood Bowl if it is a non leased event, which usually means if it’s not a big celebrity concert like like I think the Lumineers are coming to play at some point you can’t bring your own alcohol or food. And so with this event, you get to bring your own alcohol and food and so we packed a picnic for us four. We split it up. Stef and I brought the food and Liz and Dawn brought the drinks.

Stefanie Bautista 8:42
And also in planning to bring the food you can even you can either do what we did in that’s when we planned it, we packed it and we ate it at our seats. Or you can get there really early and basically do like a tailgate situation, which many many people do where you can drink your wine and have your beer and all your snacks and stuff outside of The Bowl before you go in. But we decided to just bring everything inside because we didn’t have time to be there all day.

Ariel Landrum 9:07
Well and there are restaurants nearby that you can actually order packaged meals that are called like Hollywood Bowl baskets. So if you have a sort of like favorite food bougie place, see if they if they have a meal pack that you can pick up that’s also an option as well.

Stefanie Bautista 9:24
Or if you just want to plan any of that you can buy it all there but you are going to be spending a lot of money because they overcharged everything there. So we had a couple of days to prepare for this. So I headed on over to our beloved Whole Foods to get some fruits, some cheeses, some charcuterie type things basically a charcuterie on wheels is what I was going for. So we had crackers we have different types of cheeses, grapes, blueberries, raspberries and the great thing about Whole Foods is that you can get all of these things already packaged for you and then you just have to put them in your cooler. Um, Ariel has a nifty little cooler and picnic basket that includes not paper plates, plastic plates, and silverware. And yeah, it’s just basically super convenient. Everything locks inside so I think you can get I did you get yours at Amazon?

Ariel Landrum 10:17
Yep, I got mine on Amazon.

Stefanie Bautista 10:19
Yeah. And yeah, basically we loved everything there because our friends were gonna bring the drinks. And we didn’t really pack too too crazy. I know some people do cooler backpacks. Some people bring like an actual cooler. But knowing that it is sort of a steep hill to go up there, you’ve got to be mindful of what you’re carrying. Because know that it will be on you until you sit down at your actual seat.

Ariel Landrum 10:44
Yep. And then I had packed some Pocky I had packed crackers to go with the cheese’s some dried fruit trail mix. And then we had a last minute contribution from your mom.

Stefanie Bautista 10:57
Yes, that’s right she made turon which is basically um, Filipino sweet lumpia. It doesn’t have any meaning. It’s saba, which is a type of banana. It’s a sweet banana that is rolled in sugar and then wrapped just like lumpia or egg rolls. And she made a ton of just coincidentally before we left, and so we grabbed like 20 of those suckers and put them in our bag.

Ariel Landrum 11:20
Ate some on the bus.

Stefanie Bautista 11:21
Ate some on the bus. Really great dessert or appetizer.

Ariel Landrum 11:27
And then Liz and Dawn, they brought was it red wine or white wine?

Stefanie Bautista 11:31
They brought red wine and also ginger ale, some sparkling water. And I think I’m I don’t even think we had regular water, I just drink the ginger ale because I was so thirsty. And me and Liz just destroyed that bottle of wine. So it was great.

Ariel Landrum 11:47
Having your own food there. You can eat it again before or even during the performance. During the performance it is very dark. And so if you cannot see your plate, that that could be a barrier. Also, if you’re eating when it’s light out, and you can see your food, people are still getting to their seats. So you’re often having to stop like what you’re eating to get up to let people get through. Because the seats are bleachers style where we were sitting at least.

Stefanie Bautista 12:15
Yeah, though the majority of those seats are bleachers style in the very back, it’s just green grass, and you just lay out a blanket, in the very front, if you are able to get tickets there, they have tables. And in the very, very front, they have like bigger tables. So you can get one of the box seats is what they call them. And you can split it with a group, I’ve done it many times, it does make a huge difference than putting everything on your lap, you feel very much privilege just having a table in front of you. But I mean, people have a lot of different ways that they enjoy their food at the Hollywood Bowl, if you ever want to do one of these events, but it’s non least events. Look it up on Google and a lot of people have tricks and tips that they use to have a great time themselves.

Ariel Landrum 13:01
Yes, people who go to the Hollywood Bowl, often I’ve learned are called Bowlers. I would say that it is a very affordable, fun, fancy date. So if you’re trying to find something to do with somebody you are wooing, I think going to these non lease events is a really good one, especially if you’ve packed your own food because you’re definitely saving money and doing that. And then if you get the bleacher seats or even the grass, you’re further away, yes, but live performances and music, being able to just enjoy each other’s company. Being outside. The those are things that I think are priceless. And these these tickets are within an affordable range, I would say.

Stefanie Bautista 13:44
Yeah. And I think they make it really accessible because the Hollywood Bowl is such a big venue. And I think in recent years, I want to say in the last like decade or so they’ve really been opening it up to more family friendly events and also kind of geeky inspired events. Before it used to just be the LA Phil which is great. The first couple times I ever went was to do assignments for college. And before that it was concerts that I would attend with my family. So I’ve seen like Earth Wind and Fire there. I’ve seen Chicago they’re like, you know, a lot of old school artists, but I think as more families are wanting to do these things together and it’s becoming more accessible for them. They have events just like this the Disney Animation concert.

Ariel Landrum 14:30
Yeah, yes. So the you have the La Phil the orchestra playing in front of you. You also have giant screens that are playing the animation that they are doing the music to. And then there were even singers there were Broadway singers that we’re singing the Disney Princess Songs, the villain songs, the songs that we sort of know and love. And one of them happened to also voice and sing a very specific character. And it was interesting to watch her sing the song and look at the animation that aligned to her voice. But she’s right there in front of me. But also, it’s the same person.

Stefanie Bautista 15:10
Isn’t it so magical? I think, the way they arranged many of these songs. So even though these Broadway artists aren’t the original ones, with that, with her as the exception, they did a wonderful job arranging these tracks and mixing them together so that they kind of held true to what they actually sound like. And I think it was very masterful that the way that they did it, just the whole program from start to finish. The conductor Thomas Wilkins, who was the conductor for the night, with was even really playful with the singers and they interacted a lot with each other. So I have the artists list in front of me, so I’m gonna kind of go down and list them: Adasa, who was in Encanto. She was one of the hosts along with Susan Egan, who we were talking about who played Meg in Hercules was also one of the hosts. James Monroe Iglehart. He was a special guests along with Adam J. Levy, Shoba Narayan, and Anneliese van der Pol, Cindy Winters, and the biggest guests were the students from the Orange County School of the Arts. I didn’t know that they played a huge role in this particular concert. And apparently a lot of alumni of Disney are also alumni of the Orange County School of Arts, but that also isn’t surprising seeing that Disneyland is an Orange County.

Ariel Landrum 16:29
Yes. And with the Orange County School of The Arts we had one of those songs they did was like a Peter Pan medley, and they had performers dancing, as if they were going getting ready to fly. And then they even did a Lion King performance. And it was “I Just Can’t Wait to be King” and orc, I mean, the choir, they were Simba. They were all singing Simba’s line versus having like one person be Simba and someone else be Zazu. They they were Simba and then one person Zazu. So you I thought that was really unique.

Stefanie Bautista 17:07
The soloist was Zazu. I was like, “Okay, a little b-side action like we never highlight Zazu.” But I mean, I think that’s wild. And they really took creative leaps in the arrangement of these songs. And I think it really paid off because it made these classic songs very fresh. And even though us as longtime Disney fans have heard these songs a million times, they were so dynamic in the way that they presented them.

Ariel Landrum 17:33
Yes and I they were also very mindful. So there was the “Everybody Wants to be a Cat,” by that the song in Aristocats. And there is a very racist scene with the Siamese cat playing the piano. And they didn’t include that. So they were very mindful of like updating what they were going to present so that we could honor like this legacy and enjoy this fun music without also having to be harmed by what then was a lot of stereotyping.

Stefanie Bautista 18:04
And I mean, that was part of the you know, the fact checking and all of this right, we wanted to make sure that Disney was aligned to how it’s been evolving in the years of late.

Ariel Landrum 18:13
One of the performances that really took me by surprise. Were the songs that were in The Hunchback of Notre Dame. I don’t remember that movie or the songs apparently because I was blown away!

Stefanie Bautista 18:28
Yeah, I mean, they sang “God Help the Outcast,” which I didn’t even know was like in the Disney repertoire at all. All I know, is the one that he sings while he’s swinging across Notre Dame. And I don’t even know what that’s called. And I was like, I think we need to rewatch this. And I still haven’t, but I will get there. It’s one of the forgotten ones. But seeing seeing the animation on the big screen and the orchestra play. It was so moving, how beautiful it was, it was as if we were in Paris, looking, you know, at Notre Dame and looking at all the stained glass inside the church. And it was it was very, very beautiful. And I was like, “Okay, I think this is a moment where a lot of people can rediscover Disney movies.” Because we all know the ones, you know, that have been recently, you know, in vogue, which is Frozen. And I mean, we’re always thinking stuff from Aladdin and Little Mermaid but Hunchback of Notre Dame has not been in anybody’s mind for a very long time.

Ariel Landrum 19:29
Yes, yes. I think that was another another reason to go to events like this to be reminded and be reintroduced to things that you’d forgotten that that should have should take space in your mind. I think that it was it was so beautiful. There were plenty of moments where I don’t know about you, but I was just like tearing up.

Stefanie Bautista 19:54
I cried many times, I’m already in my feels all the time. All the time. Any single little thing will make me cry. And I was crying from beginning, middle, and end. So many tears, so many emotions. I did not bring my kids this time because of course, this was a girls night. So it was my time to kind of relax and unwind with girlfriends. And I think when moms get that little time to themselves, all the emotions just come out and I was like, “Oh my God, Muana’s signing, I’m gonna cry now.” And yeah, I started crying. And then the princess medley happened then I started crying even more. So unless it was like a comedic thing, or like a villain thing. I was probably crying.

Ariel Landrum 20:34
Well, the comedic thing. You were really surprised and the villains medley that…Oh, who is this?

Stefanie Bautista 20:44
Anneliese van der Pol?

Ariel Landrum 20:45
Yeah, so yes.

Stefanie Bautista 20:46
I know her from that. So Raven, because she was ravens best friend. And I had no idea she was such a talented singer. And so just like all around amazing in her delivery, her humor, and she did not hold back. I feel like some of the singers, you know, they have a little bit of finesse when they sing. And especially if they’re doing a Disney princess song. They’re very elegant and graceful and that. Oh, no. When she went into the villains medley she went all out. I think it was the part where she was singing Ursula’s parts?

Ariel Landrum 21:22
Yes, her “Poor Unfortunate Souls,” that she she had sas, she had like conviction. It was. And we were, you know, we weren’t that far back. But we certainly weren’t seeing facial expressions. And yet I could see it on her from the way that it was. The music was coming out.

Stefanie Bautista 21:44
Yeah, she cackled. She cackled the biggest cackle ever. And I was like, “Wow!” It reminds me of back in the day in Fantasmic, you used to see Ursula come across the water, that she was a big animatronic, and I haven’t seen like, like Ursula come to life like that since then. And I thought that that was so impressive. And, you know, kudos to her and her partner. I think that’s Adam J. Levy, who was the male counterpart in the villains, little medley that they did. They were such a great duo. They played really well with each other, their voices were beautiful together. And it was my favorite medley of the whole night because it was so so intense.

Ariel Landrum 22:24
It was it was just lovely. Funny. The, you know, like you felt the villain energy. I was great. Then they did play off of each other well. There were a lot of times where, and particularly I think during the essentially the princess medleys, I want to say, we would see the performers be very strategic and where they’re walking and very intricate. This seemed like there might have been some ad lib and some play. It was very, or they just did a really great job of making look look like it was ad lib in play because it was just very light and fun. They did they started with Cruella, and then they had Scar’s song, a “Be Prepared.” They had Ursula song. Was there another one? Or was that it?

Stefanie Bautista 23:13
I think that was it. Because they didn’t sing. Jafar was on there for a minute.

Ariel Landrum 23:20
Yeah, he was he was Yeah, because it was singing the the part where he’s like basically dogging on Aladdin.

Stefanie Bautista 23:28
They also sang. The mom song from Tangled. Mother… “Mother Knows Best.” That was the song she also went ham on that song. Because that one is like a very Joan Crawford like, “No wire hangers!” Like, that’s what I remember if being.

Ariel Landrum 23:44
I think for me, and what I sort of like walked away from the event was one like, like that sense of camaraderie and community just seeing other people expressing, like their Disney selves, not at the park, right. And I think there’s just something about, like experiencing live music with other people that is just so touching and moving. And it’s like a synergy that it’s hard to describe.

Stefanie Bautista 24:10
It’s cathartic. Absolutely, I mean, it’s music, live music, for me is something that I do when I just need to let go mentally, because you can get so immersed in just listening to music, and then there’s the visuals in front of you. And of course, the animation is so beautiful. You get taken back to when ever whatever age you were when you saw any of those movies, so a lot of emotions come back, but you’re enjoying it also in the company of other people who not only enjoy, but also might have even worked on the film because we’re in Los Angeles. And I really liked that it was their little nod to the actors and writers strike and they did it a couple of times, right?

Ariel Landrum 24:50
Yeah, they had everyone stand up if they’d ever been if they’d ever participated in the Disney animation process, whether they were writers whether they wrote music, whether whether they were voice actors, and, you know, we all clapped for them. And I don’t know if they would have done that had the strike not been going on because this, this is a live performance, it’s not part of SAG-WGA and orchestra that that music part, I don’t think they’re part of it either. So this wasn’t a struck event for the singers who were happen also be actors and Broadway actors. But this event specifically wasn’t asking for those talents. So they were able to participate. But I think they were showing solidarity without, you know, overtly saying.

Stefanie Bautista 25:36
Absolutely. And, I mean, the Disney studios are historically located in Burbank, I mean, Buena Vista Street is just down the street from where we are. And also the main animation building is right off of the freeway that you take to get to downtown. And maybe they would have done it, but maybe in a different way. And I think honoring those people at the event was really great. The people who are next to us they have somebody who works for Disney animation, which is really great. Um, her husband stood for because she was in the restroom. And I, we all clap them as if it he was, and he was “No, no, it’s not me.” That was great for him for admitting it. Kudos to you, sir. You will have a long and happy marriage.

Ariel Landrum 26:17
Yes, yes. He she did come from back from the restroom, we found out that the work that she did was translations in multiple languages for the animations. And that apparently that is a very difficult thing to do, which I’m not surprised what also hadn’t been something that I conceptualized.

Stefanie Bautista 26:35
Yeah. Super sidenote. I know, last time I was at the parks there. I think it was the firework show that they have recently. It’s them singing “Let It Go,” or is it “How far I’ll Go..?” In different languages. It’s like a medley that they do, like during the fireworks are doing the projections. And it’s always like them in like Japanese in Spanish. And I was like, “Oh, they’re really incorporating this into the regular shows, which is I think awesome, because a lot of people are introduced to Disney films in other languages such as Spanish when they re aired them on regular channels here.

Ariel Landrum 27:08
If you go on Disney plus, and you click on Mulan, the animated not the live action. And you put it in Chinese the person who voices Shang is Jackie Chan, also sings the song.

Stefanie Bautista 27:20
Wow. Because as you all know, Jackie Chan is a C-Pop artist. He sings a lot of songs in Chinese. I believe it’s Mandarin that he sings in, right?

Ariel Landrum 27:30
Yes. And it says the, it says Chinese in two different options. And then that’s written in English. And then it’s in characters, which I’m assuming are Mandarin. And then the other characters might be Cantonese. But it’s the first option. Yeah, and then the my other my other very interesting hack is if you go to Ant Man, the first movie, and you go into extras, you can actually pull up Ant Man with a sign language interpreter who is do who has is interpreting ASL on the screen in real time, so…

Stefanie Bautista 28:06
That’s cool. They haven’t done that for any other Marvel movies. Just Ant Man?

Ariel Landrum 28:10
Not that I have seen. And I don’t know why Ant Man was the one. But yeah there’s there’s an interpreter. There they are. They’re making the facial expressions or they’re moving really fast. I haven’t had a chance to watch the whole thing to see if they switch. So if you go to a live event with an interpreter, they usually have more than one because you start to get tired. You do have to switch back and forth and they give each other breaks. But because this is recorded, I’m assuming it’s the same interpreter and the whole time that they’re able to do they’ll do the whole movie.

Stefanie Bautista 28:44
Yeah, so you’re telling me I can listen, I can watch an ASL interpreter. Do Michael Pena’s whole like yes, story is like prediction of how the heist is gonna go. I need to see this becase that is one of my favorite monologues of all time.

Ariel Landrum 28:59
Yes, yes, it is. It is awesome. And you can still put the subtitles up and you can still have sound out and so but it’s a real treat the interpreters just in the in the bottom right corner, just torso up just doing interpreting.

Stefanie Bautista 29:14
I think that’s really great. I hope Disney does that for a lot of films moving forward. Because that’s really helpful for the ASL community to see that. And I think that’s in post something super easy to impose on the screen that you’re watching. And I hope that more people catch on to that because I think that’s really cool.

Ariel Landrum 29:31
Yeah, it’s always beautiful to see and experience work in your your native language and ASL is a language.

Stefanie Bautista 29:39
Yeah, absolutely. And speaking of, you know, accommodating people with you know where they are, Ariel and I use a different way to get into The Bowl that day. Because me I’ve been going for a long time but I’ve been going with with the masses in mass. So I am usually the one trekking and I’ve done this many times. From the subway station, all the way up to my seat at the top of the bowl. Yes, I burn a couple calories. Is my hair messed up? Is my makeup messed up? Yeah, probably. So this time because you know, we are being kind to ourselves lately, and it is our Girl’s Day and we knew we were going to take a lot of pictures. She had a really cool way of getting in there. Without having to do all of that.

Ariel Landrum 30:24
Yes. So as I’ve mentioned, a couple of podcast episodes, I’m allergic to my own sweat. And I can break out in a rash. And hives on a good day, I can start to hyperventilate, my throat close on a bad day. And so anytime I can avoid sweating, I try to, and the Hollywood Bowl does have an ADA line, they have accommodations. And so we got in the ADA line, you take the elevator up, you walk around the stairs, and then you can take another elevator up to the higher seats or just take a smaller stair. And that’s it. You’re basically in and about maybe 10 to 20 minutes?

Stefanie Bautista 31:06
I’d say 8. It took us like less than 10 minutes, we were in the tunnel. And we did get there fairly on time, I’d say on time and on time is like having a minute to sit down, prepare all your food, not have to do a bunch of restroom breaks, even though you could if you really wanted to. So we got there. I feel like that was like the perfect time to get there. Not right on time not late, not super, super early, like everybody…

Ariel Landrum 31:33
The performance was at eight. And I think we got there at 6:30. And we probably got to our seats around what 6:45?

Stefanie Bautista 31:41
6:45… Seven, I’d say seven. Yeah, so we had time to chill and watch everybody roll in, people were finishing up their picnics, or even starting them. And like the big line to get in was just forming. If you don’t know, there’s like a big entrance with all the security monitors and all that in the front like right when you get to the top. And then there’s another section where the ADA parking is at the top top of the hill, that will get you to the upper most seats. And that has less people. But because it’s kind of narrow, a long line tends to form and like once the cars are there, the people are there people are queuing up, you kind of don’t know where any of the lines are, unless you just happen to be there. So it can be a little confusing. And it may take you longer to get up there. If you don’t really know exactly where you’re going.

Ariel Landrum 32:33
Yeah, it can take you about, what 30 minutes to even really bad times an hour to try and get inside because they have to also check your bags. And if you’ve packed your own food, you’re opening up all those pockets. So there’s like a wait that you have to go through. It’s not just getting in line and showing your ticket. And when it comes to accommodations, like the first thing is to be aware that they exist. And the second thing is to decide to use them. And I find that with my clients, a lot of the times there’s some feelings of shame around needing accommodations that we always have to work through. And I realize likem |Am I practicing what I tell my clients? Am I using accommodations when they’re available? Or am I saying no, I don’t need that someone else probably needs that, but not me.” Because then I’m I’m you know, that’s ableist thinking. And I’m downplaying like me having a good time by just an accommodation, which is reasonable. Like that’s the whole point is it’s a reasonable accommodation.

Stefanie Bautista 33:32
Yes. And even if you’re bringing young kids, I’m not saying like infants or anything, of course, like you’re pretty much slinging them on your back at that point. But if you have little kids who all of a sudden don’t want to walk anymore, which happens with all little kids, I think it’s really good to know that there are elevators there are, you know, not just the escalators that you can use so that you are in them are also having a good time you’re setting them up for a successful evening. Because you know, sometimes when you bring kids to these things, it’s their first foray into going to a big event sitting down watching live music. They might get that in small doses in the classroom. But the classroom is such a controlled environment, when you bring them out to concerts. This is kind of setting themselves up to when they’re a little bit older and of school age, when they see assemblies or when they see even performances at their school. These are small things to help them with that. And if you’re doing your best to make sure you’re sane they will have a really good time too.

Ariel Landrum 34:25
Well and you’re managing a lot of stimulation points. It’s not just watching the performers, not just the music, it’s not just the screens, but it’s the person sitting next to you that chewing it’s like the heat outside or all of a sudden gets really cold or it’s all the twinkling lights that people are wearing. Like all of those are multiple stimuli. It can it can be overwhelming for a little one.

Stefanie Bautista 34:47
Yeah, definitely. And, you know, we had a couple of instances of you know, of course, being at the Hollywood Bowl, it’s a group setting, right? You’re sitting very close with people they’re all on a bench with you and You know, me and Ariel, we’re very friendly. Like we engage with the people around us offer them food. I’m the person at the Dodger game giving Portos to everybody if I have a box. And you know, some people accept that and some people don’t, which is totally okay, people are there to enjoy the way they want to. But also, you do have to take into consideration the type of event that you’re in. So we’ve noticed a couple of things that we thought were very peculiar, very interesting for a Disney concert that was outside because you know, us we’re coming from a theme park mentality as well, where everyone is welcome.

Ariel Landrum 35:38
So one of the first things that that I overheard that I at intermission I talked to Stef about was the mom who works for Disney, who had to leave to go to the bathroom because she had to take her daughter to the bathroom. Because her daughter was becoming overstimulated and very scared. She just sounded so scared. I think the the music might have been very loud. And it was just she didn’t know how to filter it. She was scared. At a certain point, they were trying to calm her down. And then the couple directly behind me basically, like, yelled at them to just take the, Take your kid away, right? Why don’t you take that kid away?” And so out of embarrassment, that’s what the mother did. And like, Stef… I know that for probably Stef, she probably she didn’t hear that. But for me, I was like, “Well, you’re the adult, why don’t you just like tune it out and learn, like literally learn to calm yourself.” And then I know that Stef is aware, like, “Oh my fusses I do take them away to leave, try and calm them down, and then come back.” There’s like a back and forth or like, get the wiggles out, right? But by the second half, she was really trying to enjoy yourself. And they were really trying to calm her down. And I’d informed Stef of like what these people were saying, saying and then continued to say into the next half. And it was like irritating the both of us because we’re like, you’re in a group setting. You are listening to Disney music. You are also the adults who can be able to like manage your emotions. The lack of compassion, you’re getting to like your fellows, it was shocking.

Stefanie Bautista 37:12
Yeah, I think that I was probably singing so loud, either in my head or out loud that I didn’t hear this. But also, I knew that it was happening around me. But because I’m a mother, myself, and my kids have wild out in many situations, I was being the adult and I was tuning it out. And just focusing on the performance. And they were directly next to me. The the kid was actually next to me at one point. And she was really trying her best to deal with the really low light, it was dark outside, there’s a lot of different sounds that’s happening, people are clapping, people are singing. And she may not be experiencing those things every single day in her normal life, which is normal. And I think she was around three years old, which is the same age as my son, and he is a busy body like he needs to be up he needs to get around. They had multiple family members try to soothe her, asking, you know, trying to engage her because she knew some of the characters, and it was working. And I think you know, they just needed time. But I mean, knowing what that mom has been through and probably was going through at that time. It says if time doesn’t really matter, and you need a very immediate response from your child. But that is not really a realistic expectation of them. Because developmentally, they are trying to learn and process these things, too. You’re bringing a toddler into a big event like this, which should be a safe space, because it is a group setting. It’s a Disney Concert. These are characters that they are familiar with and getting to be familiar with. And I think you know, the musicality of it also is engaging. So even if you’re not a child, you’re also singing in your head. And I had some friends who were on the other side of The Bowl that I talked to after the event, we realized that we were at the same event, we didn’t even say hi to each other. We couldn’t even see each other because there’s a million people there.

Ariel Landrum 39:06
Like that’s how big The Bowl is.

Stefanie Bautista 39:07
That’s how big The Bowl is…

Ariel Landrum 39:09
You know, other people, you know, we’re there until after you check the stories.

Stefanie Bautista 39:13
Yes, until the Instagram Stories. Yep. And they are, you know, our age and they were all going out as girlfriends too. And they were simply just singing along and they were getting shushed and I’m like, I can’t believe that. You know, I think this is something that is engaging for both adults, kids. The orchestra, the kids who are performing any sort of participation, I don’t think would have diminished their performance. Because the speakers are so loud, the visuals are so big, and I think participating probably would have just contributed to the musical and the magical atmosphere of the entire concert.

Ariel Landrum 39:56
Yes, and I think it should be noted that this is very Very different than going to like a play. Like if you saw Beauty and the Beast in the play and you’re there to see the Broadway actors and you don’t want to hear the person next to you there’s a different decorum and expectation of being quiet being present. Not engaging like on your phone, not chewing or eating food, versus the Hollywood Bowl, being outside expansive, the many moments of like camaraderie and communication, the the fact that you’re supposed to feel immersed in the experience. And so yeah, just just shocking, I think again, more more odd odd behavior, I would expect that if I was like, at, at a concert hall, I and I would, I would expect a specific level of like professionalism or your outdoor face however you want to say it. And I think can really, really damper they experience I, I’m I not being a parent, but felt so bad that this like mother had to leave. Not only because she was not enjoying it, but also she freakin works for the company. Here there was a moment to like, celebrate her and her work. And it’s like, oh, no, you don’t get to do that. Because you’ll have a child that I bet if every one of you just let her take care of the daughter right away there, she wouldn’t have been scared. But because of the energy people were giving towards that child. I’m sure the mom felt it. And of course, her daughter felt it right. Your kids, your kids know, when you’re scared and frustrated.

Stefanie Bautista 41:31
A high level of anxiety, mean all around. It’s kind of like, you know, being on a plane and your kid is just dealing with the turbulence. And don’t get us wrong. If this was a solely LA Philharmonic concert with them playing Dvorak and you know, a specific symphony. The decorum is obviously different. Like this is a classical performance. This is akin to being at the Walt Disney Concert Hall, where no phones are allowed. You’re not you know, able to speak to somebody unless it’s intermission. Those things still hold true. If you’re at the Hollywood Bowl for that specific thing. However, you’re at a Disney Concert. We are watching cartoons. It is interactive, they even encourage you to sing along. I think that was you know, did they miss that? I’m not sure. But…

Ariel Landrum 42:20
I don’t know. Because then they asked the audience to sing along for the big Elsa number myself. I don’t I don’t I don’t know. I don’t get it. I don’t understand.

Stefanie Bautista 42:31
Yeah, I mean, again, these are things to, to look out for, if you are at a group event such as this. I think managing expectations is what we’re always talking about. But you know, some things are out of your control. And I think the least we could do is understand them from our perspective. I mean, Ariel even offered her goldfish if she wanted some. And she took them and, you know, she was able to enjoy the Sorcerer’s Apprentice a little bit, I think. And you know, she she was able to calm down. I think she just needed time. And unfortunately, some people around we’re not willing to give them that time, even though they could have probably given it and it would have been for the betterment of everybody around us.

Ariel Landrum 43:14
Yes. And I think the other thing is, there’s always more than one way you can like resolve a problem. If it was really disrupting your experience. I know the ushers would have accommodated you a different seat like that, that would have been an option. Had you taken it like, “Hey, it’s just really taking us out of the the mood, you know, everyone else seems to be fine, but we’re not what are other seats that could be available?” I honestly do not think that the Hollywood Bowl would have been like, “No, you got to stay right there.”

Stefanie Bautista 43:45
Or if they did, they probably would have set the precedent of, hey, everybody is trying to enjoy it, especially the children. So I mean, even people, let’s say who were there might have been somebody who had Autism, or had an auditory processing thing, and they’re trying to enjoy it to it might not even have been a child and you know, we would have would gladly have accommodated them as well. So maybe the staff would have been like, you know, unfortunately, these are the realities of having a public event. And, you know, try your best to be an adult and deal with it.

Ariel Landrum 44:17
Yeah, it’s, you know, people be peopleing…

Stefanie Bautista 44:24
People be peopling. It is true, my friend. But, I mean, at the end of the day, it was such a beautiful performance. And it was so fun. It did not feel like as long as it probably was because we were so engaged. I think it was great that they just focused on the animation. So even though there wasn’t any Pixar there wasn’t any Marvel or Star Wars. It made you hone in on the basics of what makes Disney so enjoyable, which is, you know, storytelling, and, you know, the emotions that are evoked by those stories and you reintroducing things that we haven’t seen in a really long time, refresh, it made everything so fresh. And, you know, it was it was just nostalgic and great.

Ariel Landrum 45:10
Now, before we end, I’m curious for you, as a teacher, what? What does this event like make you think of? Or like, how, how would you find yourself using something like this in the classroom or outside?

Stefanie Bautista 45:23
I mean, I think just teaching a lesson or even introducing the different ways that we enjoy music. Not everybody has a music program. I know that was one of the first things that got cut, when all the budget cuts happened long, long ago. So even as just like a regular general classroom teacher, if you have a little bit of time to introduce music, this is a great way to do it. It’s not necessarily just soundtracks, these are sing along songs, these are things that you can challenge their comprehension, you can challenge their reading, they’re really the processing of their emotions, this could be a social emotional thing. There’s so many great aspects to using music and animation in your everyday lessons. And encouraging families to go to events like this, I think is a really good way to tie in community as well, I would have loved to seen, you know, people from the same school going to something like this, or you know, going to outdoor concerts doing, you know, fundraising and things like that for kids who might not have the opportunity to go to these concerts and maybe fundraise for them to experience something special that they might not have. And I know we have a lot of people in Los Angeles who have kids that not only attend public schools, but they also work for places like Disney Warner Brothers Universal. So really, you can tackle it from a lot of different ways from connecting community connecting arts and creative performances. And also we had children on stage.

Ariel Landrum 46:53
Yeah.

Stefanie Bautista 46:54
So if you have kids who love to sing, who want to pursue performing arts, not only take them to things like this, but also say, “Hey, if you want to do this one day, you have absolutely can, you can use this and make a career out of this because that is absolutely possible.” Diversity is always needed. They highlighted diversity in a really great way, I think in the choices and music selections. And I think kids have so much more to learn from attending events like this, if you know they’re able to. And, again, going back to what that little girl experience, she might have taken something different from that had the environment been different. So really, you could use this as like a teachable moment for you know, a young person who wants to be more connected to the things that they listened and enjoy.

Ariel Landrum 47:46
Yes, yes. And I think for me, so some of you may know that, and we learned this, I guess from Wreck-It Ralph 2, that Disney princesses have an “I Want” song where they essentially pour their heart out to like the thing that they dream of and wish for the most. And an intervention that I’ve done in session with clients is we have made our own “I Want” songs. And what they have done is they’ve just listed out all the things that they sort of like hope for. And then we put it in a Chat-GPT and ask Chat-GPT to make an “I Want” song, that’s that’s a “Disney Princess I Want song.” And I know like AI is is big hot button issue, and it’s taking over the world or whatever nonsense, but in that case, they aren’t really making a song. It’s really more of like a poem. And it’s using the words of the things that they want. But I’ve had a lot of clients who’ve, like put that on their mirrors like they’re their aspirational goals. And it’s been a way to just incorporate Disney in a very unique way that is tailored to the individual versus like, you know, “Oh, that reminds me of this character, their experience.” It’s like, “Oh, no, you get to be sort of like the princess and you get to sing your I want song and see it come to fruition.”

Stefanie Bautista 48:59
That’s kind of like an auditory vision board. I like. That’s super cool. I really really liked that. I like middle schoolers can do that. I think that’s really cool. Although we have you know, middle schoolers High School, even fifth graders, I think that’d be something that I’m going to suggest to my friends. But I mean, I think all together this was such an enjoyable event. I hope they do it again in the future. Maybe even just a specific Pixar one would be really cool to hear a lot of their music because their music is so different from I think the animation, but also a special in their own way. That is it. We we went pretty deep into this. And we had a lot of feelings but you know as Disney movies do, they evoked a lot of emotion from us.

Ariel Landrum 49:44
So if you went to this experience or some other live performance for Disney music, go ahead and Tweet at us @happiestpodGT or DM us on Instagram @happiestpodGT.

Stefanie Bautista 49:56
Wait.. do we call it tweets still?

Ariel Landrum 49:58
Oh, I’m sorry… uhhh…

Stefanie Bautista 50:02
Don’t be sorry. That is not your fault. I don’t like that whatsoever.

Ariel Landrum 50:08
Yeah, I’m uh, I’m still sticking with tweet, because no one has given up an alternative. Ah, and I do not like the X. I don’t, whatever. So yeah, Tweet at us.

Stefanie Bautista 50:21
Tweet at us. And also, Ariel did a really great write up on our website as well. And she included all of our fun pictures. We had a jolly old time we really tried. Even though we were all humid and frizzy at the end of the night, it was all good. We took her cute pictures and it was fine. So if you had a great experience, go ahead and message us. We had a lot of fun and hopefully we’ll see you at the next event.

Ariel Landrum 50:46
Yeah, bye!

Stefanie Bautista 50:48
Bye everyone!

Media/Characters Mentioned
  • Mulan
  • Fantasia
  • Sorcerer Mickey
  • Encanto
  • Hercules
  • Meg
  • Tangled
  • Mother Gothel
  • Ursula
  • Ariel
  • Jafar
  • Scar
  • Simba
  • Peter Pan
Topics/Themes Mentioned
  • Mental Wellness
  • Americans with Disabilities Act
  • Disney’s 100th Anniversary
  • Disneybounding
  • Hollywood Bowl Experience
  • Accessibility and Accommodations
  • Emotional Impact of Music
  • Audience Behavior and Expectations
  • Educational Value of Disney Events
  • Community Engagement
  • Cultural Sensitivity and Inclusion
  • Family-Friendly Entertainment

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Sidekicks! Disney’s Animal Aides

June 16, 2023 · Discuss on the GT Forum

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#33: Explore the unique roles of Disney sidekicks as they dissect how these beloved characters from classics like ‘The Little Mermaid,’ ‘Cinderella,’ and ‘The Lion King’ relate to mental wellness. Engaging discussions reveal how these animated companions, could don the titles of emotional support animal or service animal. Unravel the therapeutic significance of these animal sidekicks, blending childhood nostalgia with a deeper understanding of mental health support.

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Summary

HPOE33

  • Introduction (0:11): Ariel and Stefanie introduce the topic of Disney sidekicks, examining their roles and categorizing them based on their functions and relationships with main characters.
  • Sidekick Definitions (1:47): The hosts discuss definitions of pets, working animals, and assistance animals, exploring how these relate to Disney sidekicks and mental wellness.
  • Analyzing Disney Sidekicks (10:38 – 21:18): Various Disney sidekicks like Meeko, Sven, Hay Hay, and Pascal are analyzed. Their roles range from pets to emotional support or service animals, considering their relationships with main characters and contributions to the story.
  • Zazu in The Lion King (29:58 – 35:24): Discussion on Zazu’s dual role as an advisor and pet-like figure, examining his loyalty and integration into the community.
  • Cinderella’s Mice and Other Disney Animals (35:47 – 41:14): Exploration of Gus Gus and Jaq in “Cinderella” as examples of service animals, and discussion of other animal characters in Disney movies.
  • Flounder and Sebastian in The Little Mermaid (40:48 – 44:54): Analysis of their roles as companions and advisors, aiding Ariel in her journey.
  • Mushu in Mulan (45:45 – 48:36): Discussion of Mushu as a potential emotional support animal for Mulan, reflecting on his role in her journey and personal growth.
  • Personal Experiences with Pets (48:36 – 53:04): Stefanie shares her personal experience with her dog Chance, discussing the emotional support and companionship provided by pets.
  • Conclusion (53:04 – 53:42): The hosts invite listeners to share their animal companions, as well as their thoughts on Disney sidekicks.
Transcription

Ariel Landrum 0:11
Hello, everyone, welcome to The Happiest Pod On Earth, I’m Ariel, a licensed therapist who uses clients passions and fandoms to help them grow and heal from trauma and mental unwellness.

Stefanie Bautista 0:21
And I’m Stef, I’m an educator who uses passions and fandoms to help my students grow and learn about themselves and the world around them.

Ariel Landrum 0:28
And here at Happiest Pod, we dissect Disney mediums with a critical lens.

Stefanie Bautista 0:33
Why do we do that? Well, because we’re more than just fans, we expect more from the mediums that we consume. So what Disney experience or Disney topic are we discussing today, Ariel?

Ariel Landrum 0:44
We’re going to talk about the famous Disney sidekick animals

Stefanie Bautista 0:49
Sidekick animals!

Ariel Landrum 0:50
Usually, we see them accompanied with princesses. But now we’re just seeing them more and more in general, with a variety of characters.

Stefanie Bautista 0:59
And we all know we have our favorites, right? If you go off the top your head my the will obviously the first one that comes to mind is Flounder just because he’s cute. He was like, you know, the best friend that always got your back always was just like your number one fan. And you know, we identify a lot of these sidekicks so readily with whatever princess or whatever main character that they themselves have become main characters in their own right. Much like we love our pets, me and Ariel are big animal lovers, and we do have pets of our own. We wanted to talk about the relationship between the sidekicks, these animal sidekicks and their main character, their friend, or whoever, and categorize them in a way that’s a little bit more suited to the real world with Ariel’s help.

Ariel Landrum 1:47
Absolutely. So we’re gonna do some definitions first. And for some of you who may not know, part of one of the things that I do as a mental health clinician, is I can provide assessments to see if someone qualifies for an emotional support animal. That qualification needs to meet very specific criteria. And the first one being that the individual must have a mental health disability. The disability has to match the definition for a federal ADA, including that there are functional impairments. And it significantly limits at least one or more life functions. So I have to assess for all of those things. The other thing I have to assess is, if the emotional support animal has what’s called a Nexus that’s a legal term or a relationship, where their relationship with their owner mitigates or lowers the symptoms of that disability. So it’s a lot of assessing.

Stefanie Bautista 2:46
it really is something that I feel people have embraced a lot more in, you know, the past decade or so. And knowing through the pandemic, through all of these hard times that we’ve gone through, they really do make a difference in how we live our everyday lives, how we treat ourselves how we treat the world. Me as a mother, I know that having a pet around teaches my kids responsibility. And it also teaches them to care for, you know, animals and the things around them. So let’s get into it. We want to identify exactly what categories we’re working with, right?

Ariel Landrum 3:22
Absolutely. So we all know they’re sidekicks. But Stef and I were talking and it seemed like some of them serve more functions and purposes than the other. So with these definitions, keep these in mind as we’re we’re essentially rating and grading. The first one is a pet or companion animal. So this is an animal that provides leisurely companionship to its owner. They’re kept primarily for a person’s company, often an extroverted display, amusement or entertainment. They’re usually domesticated or have a domestic breed. And they have close daily relationships with humans, they are not considered an assisted animal. So in assisted animals an umbrella category. An assistant animals and animal that works, provides assistance or performs tasks for the benefit of an individual with a disability. So an assistant animal is not a pet. Very big distinction.

Stefanie Bautista 4:19
Yes.

Ariel Landrum 4:19
Is not there for just leisurely enjoyment. An assistant animal is technically a working animal. And the difference would be that some working animals or livestock, so if you think of an animal that is agricultural, for labor, it will produce like eggs or milk or a wool. An assistant animal is sort of doing like a job so they could technically be a working animal.

Stefanie Bautista 4:43
Okay, that would include like a sheep dog, right that like herd sheep and things like that.

Ariel Landrum 4:47
Yep. But an assisted animal specifically, its work involves an owner or a certain relationship around a disability. So far an emotional support animal that companionship and support alleviates at least one or more aspects of their handle disabilities. So that’s that nexus that I was talking about. Now, they haven’t been trained to do this. And the common examples that I’ve found for my clients who are ADHDers, having an emotional support animal creates a schedule of consistency for them, because you cannot ignore the cat crying like the cat will cry and cry and cry. And so the symptom that’s being mitigated is lack of structure, due to executive dysfunction that happens from being an ADHDer. Right? So that would be like an example.

Got it. Yeah, because the things got to eat. So you got to put them on a schedule to eat. And that helps them with routines, and just doing things that are over and over again, so that they can get used to it and help out with that gap. Got it.

And that consistency helps then mitigate the symptoms of ADHD that occur and thus creating more holistic lived experience for this individual. And remember, I said it just, it needs to adversely affect one or more life functioning, and the nexus of the emotional support animal to that disability needs to help alleviate at least one or more. So if the alleviation is simply like the ability to have a structured schedule something that you couldn’t do on your own because your brain doesn’t allow you to, then that’s it. Like I’ve done my my full assessment. Under assisted animal. There are three types of animals, there’s emotional support animal, there’s therapy, and all people tend to get emotional support animal therapy animal wrong, a therapy animal is used as a therapeutic aid by a Health or Human Services professional to support someone else. So an emotional support animal helps their handler that the therapy animal is told to do work by the handler to others, and oftentimes they get permission to go into like hospital settings, for example, you’ll see a lot of therapy animals in like, a children’s unit, helping or or in a senior center giving sort of like emotional aid to others.

Stefanie Bautista 7:09
Yep. When my dad was in care when he was receiving really intense kidney treatment, there was always a dog that came by UCLA and you know, greeted all of the patients and everybody loved him. He was like, the most beautiful golden retriever. And, like, of course, you know, my dad loves dogs, because I have one too. And, you know, he was just like, yeah, he really brought light and he brought a lot of happiness into the ward, because you know, other than that, they wouldn’t see something like that.

Ariel Landrum 7:39
Oh, that’s so cute.

Stefanie Bautista 7:40
Yeah.

Ariel Landrum 7:41
So an emotional support animal can be any animal therapy animal, even though it’s, it’s told therapy animals, almost always a dog. And then service animal. Legally federally is a dog.

Stefanie Bautista 7:55
Good to know.

Ariel Landrum 7:56
Unless some states allow a miniature horse and those are for individuals with like violent struggles. But yeah, so even though we’re saying service animal, it’s really a dog. However, other animals have been trained to provide services, they just might not have as many legal rights. And we’re only talking about the United States. So I don’t know, like definitions and laws, other places. But a service animal is an animal that has received specialized training to perform a specific task or set of tasks for a person with a disability. And so some of those common tasks would be opening a door grabbing medication, alerting individuals in the presence of allergens like barking, or helping to pull a wheelchair, assisting individuals who are blind or have low vision with navigation, providing physical support and assistance with balance. However, a service animal could also be a psychiatric service animal and help with situations like sensory relief and overload by link deep pressure application, or alerting a handler before they have a panic attack through like licking them or barking, or encouraging engagement by limiting selective solitude. So like, if someone’s getting overwhelmed by a crowd, they might circle for crowd control, or they might push the individual towards the corner to get a breather space. So those are our animals. And the thing about a service animal that sometimes people aren’t aware of is that there are official places where you can get a service animal trained, but technically and legally, a service animal can be trained by their handler. And so this is where our Disney princesses come in. Because, from what we know, or I mean, our Disney characters with side kicks, from what we know, none of these side kicks have had like an official training from somewhere.

Stefanie Bautista 9:38
No, they’re dealing with their own stuff in life, and I don’t think there was time for them to take a course.

Ariel Landrum 9:46
Remember that because disabilities are unique and individual, the way that individuals need assistance? Yeah, it would make sense that they might need very specific tailored tasks that aren’t part of like the regular regime of like a traditional training experience.

Stefanie Bautista 10:02
And I mean, there is an article that says, you know, why? Why do Disney princesses or Disney characters have animal sidekicks in the first place? And one of the main reasons is to give that character the emotional support that they need. You see that they’re, you know, riding on their shoulder or their, you know, they’re just for them to pet or they’re giving them some sort of advice. Like they’re normal. They’re normally always talking mainly, but they can act as their guardians as well, as you’re going to see as we go through some of these sidekicks. So, you know, in reality, if they were doing their job.

Ariel Landrum 10:38
And like we said, emotional support, animals don’t have to have any tasks that they’re trained. It’s just that relationship, that relationship that mitigates a specific disability. Now, this is where we’re things get a little tricky. I’m not diagnosing any of these characters, and saying that they do have a specific disability because it’s not canon. But we’re going to assume if we did give them a category…

Stefanie Bautista 11:01
What would we categorize them as?

Ariel Landrum 11:04
Yeah, yeah, if they were more than pet, we believe.

Stefanie Bautista 11:07
And we challenge you when you rewatch some of these movies to see if what we’re saying is true. Or if you have a differing opinion, because, you know, I’m sure that when these characters were written, they weren’t specifically “Oh, this one’s gonna be a therapy animal. This one’s gonna be a support animal.” It was really the relationship that the main character and this animal had and how they played in moving the story forward. So lots of things to think about, but I think it was a really cool thing for us to kind of look at these really important characters in a different lens to see how they played their part in moving the relationship forward with their main character. So are you guys ready?

Ariel Landrum 11:44
Yes.

Stefanie Bautista 11:44
Awesome. So we’re going to start with Meeko are wonderful raccoon. In Pocahontas, we see Meeko riding in the front of Pocahontas’ boat, always there whenever she needed whenever they were going through the wilderness. Whenever she was singing, he was around. And he was really funny. He had a lot of comic relief in the movie, from what I remember.

Ariel Landrum 12:08
I remember Meeko stealing a lot of things.

Stefanie Bautista 12:10
I remember him eating a lot. He was just always eating.

Ariel Landrum 12:14
Did he specifically aid Pocahontas. I remember him grabbing the compass and giving it to her. So he was aware that that was like something she she wanted and he retrieved it? Would you consider that like task oriented aid? Did she ever tell him what to do?

Stefanie Bautista 12:33
I felt like he was the sassy best friend that was like, “Are you sure you want to date this guy? Are you sure we want to do this?” Like he always kind of gave the side eye and was like, as he was eating, like, kind of brushing off John Smith. So I mean, I don’t think that he was necessarily trained to be her guardian. But I think he gave off a lot of best friend vibes to me.

Ariel Landrum 12:59
So then, so then we’re gonna rule out a service animal and we’re gonna rule out therapy animal because he wasn’t providing like emotional support to others.

No.

Would you consider him a pet or an emotional support animal because the only thing I can think of is he did comfort her when she was sad.

Stefanie Bautista 13:17
He did. He shared it, which is kind of why I kind of more categorized him as like, like almost like a human counterpart. But he wasn’t talking. He didn’t say anything. He just squeak. He was one of the characters that did not have any speaking roles. So…

Ariel Landrum 13:33
So pet?

Stefanie Bautista 13:34
I would say a pet. I will say a pet with a lot of attitude, which in real life, we have pets with a lot of attitude.

Ariel Landrum 13:41
All right. All right. All right. I concur. I think, from what I can remember, and anyone can of course, correct us. It seems more like he was a pet that was atune to his handler, his owner. And a very independent pet. I think I’m like an outdoor cat.

Stefanie Bautista 14:00
An outdoor cat. And also, I mean, he was mimicking the way she was like falling through the waterfall when she was like swimming. He he had a lot of character. So I think definitely a pet. And because Pocahontas was so in tune to nature and the animals around her. I think that drew a lot of similarities between his character and his emotions and her emotions, just because she already had that established connection with the world around her.

Ariel Landrum 14:27
Yeah, so culturally, she may not identify him as a pet could she may identify him like for kinship bonds.

Unknown Speaker 14:34
Kinship, yep.

Ariel Landrum 14:35
In the forms of the just this exercise. Yeah we’ll go with pet.

Stefanie Bautista 14:39
We’ll go with pet. All right, great. So we have Meeko as a pet. All right, we’re gonna fast forward a little bit and we’re going to talk about Sven our reindeer from Frozen.

Ariel Landrum 14:51
Okay, so in not talking about diagnoses, but just general awarenesses what we do know is that Kristoff was abandoned and raised through an adoptive family. And so therefore, there can be some very specific, unique struggles even as far as like trauma struggles, and he may have difficulty having, you know, a sense of belonging, questioning himself. And what we do know from the two movies, he isn’t really certain or secure about his place in the relationship has a whole song about it.

Stefanie Bautista 15:29
In the world, really, he’s not sure where he fits in, he’s just kind of like a snowflake flying in the wind.

Ariel Landrum 15:34
I won’t give him a diagnosis, but I would say that he probably has enough for me to further assess for potentially one that could result in additional support.

Stefanie Bautista 15:44
Yes, and we all know that Sven is working he has a working animal because he helps haul the ice up and down the mountain. He helps Kristoff make his money. So we know that he has a lot to do with the the way that Kristoff runs his life and makes a living. So I think definitely working animal is one of his titles. And you know, he he has a lot of us. He’s got a lot of sass. He’s kind of like his, you know, bro best friend his. They definitely have a bromance going on? Because Sven is very animated, and he does a lot of physical gestures that suggests that he wants Kristoff to do one thing or another.

Ariel Landrum 16:25
Definitely think because of how Kristoff talks to him uses. He actually uses him in social interactions pretending to like be Sven’s voice, right? Like Kristoff, like, does that mimic the voice and even in his song in the second movie to Anna like, it’s fun. He’s like singing to you. He’s like practicing his proposal. I feel like Sven’s leaning more towards emotional support animal that happens to be a working animal that’s been trained to do a lot of tasks.

Stefanie Bautista 16:52
Yeah, yeah. Because they do use them even in the Spring Frozen Short, he’s helping decorate the whole entire place for for the birthday party. They’re hanging things on his antlers. He’s, you know, helping set up like a party. So he’s definitely trained to do a lot of things that help people, not just Kristoff.

Ariel Landrum 17:14
Okay, okay. So because he’s not just helping Kristoff. He’s doing general work for humans. But he provides specific emotional aid to when Kristoff is the second guessing himself have low self esteem questioning himself unsure anxious when we’re gone with emotional support animal.

Stefanie Bautista 17:31
Yes. Oh, and he’s another one that does not talk.

Ariel Landrum 17:34
Does not talk. Yeah. I think that adds another layer to it. Because that pretty much is our experience with animals.

Stefanie Bautista 17:41
Yeah.

Ariel Landrum 17:41
We are not like Dr. Doolittle. There’s a good chance that we are having to develop relational understanding with our animals.

Stefanie Bautista 17:48
Yes, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. All right. Great. Okay, next one is a fun one, because we kind of talked about this particular character and how they held their place in this universe. And that is Hay Hay from Moana. Our wonderful, clueless. Not really all there ever. And I wouldn’t even know if he was exactly Moana’s side kick, even though he was on the boat and just always happen to be there. Because when we think of Moana, we think Pua right?

Ariel Landrum 18:18
Yeah I do.

Stefanie Bautista 18:19
Because Pua is her pet Pua is you know her roaddog. Pua is the one that is helping her and rooting for her like I mentioned earlier. But Hay Hay, he’s kind of just there. But he plays an integral part to the story.

Ariel Landrum 18:32
Yeah. which is surprising. also voiced by Alan Tudyk, which is like it’s hilarious to think that somebody had to…

Stefanie Bautista 18:38
A had a voice…

Ariel Landrum 18:40
Acting role to this chicken. Rooster rooster.

Stefanie Bautista 18:44
And before we categorize him, he is known as the village idiot.

Ariel Landrum 18:49
He’s known as the village idiot. Yes, I I definitely think even though he he ate that stone.

Stefanie Bautista 18:56
The rock.

Ariel Landrum 18:58
Rocks, rock eating chicken. I think he was a pet. But I think he was a self domesticated pet.

Stefanie Bautista 19:05
Yes. Self domesticated because he is so independent in the wildest ways possible.

Ariel Landrum 19:12
Like…

Stefanie Bautista 19:12
He’s chaotic.

Ariel Landrum 19:13
He’s He’s chaotic. Neutral, maybe?

Stefanie Bautista 19:16
Yeah, I think chaotic neutral. I don’t think he has any intention of harm. And I don’t think he has any intention of good.

Ariel Landrum 19:21
Yeah, just is he just says, Yeah, even I, I watching the movie, I’m not even sure like when he coughed up the stone at the appropriate time, it’s still hard to tell if that was like sheer luck and fate, or if it was, like him, having an awareness that Moana needed some aid. So I’m gonna go with pure, pure pet, self domesticated. And we have that right. Like sometimes we have like squirrels in our yards.

Stefanie Bautista 19:49
I mean, we also have a lot of pets who are, you know, who have won awards for being chaotic like the ugliest dog award. And, you know, just these dogs that are just so lovable. Because you know that they’re just trying to live.

Ariel Landrum 20:03
Just living life.

Stefanie Bautista 20:04
They are the way they are, they look a little funky, and that’s okay. But you know, they’re still lovable. They still mean good. And I mean for Hay Hay himself, he almost gets killed multiple times.

Ariel Landrum 20:15
Is completely unaware of it.

Stefanie Bautista 20:17
Yeah, unaware that the world has kind of imploding around him. But, you know…

Ariel Landrum 20:20
And when I think of Moana, as she does uncover a lot of her her history, that she wasn’t aware of. Something similar to like many diaspora, or when people are leaving their homelands. However, her current motivation had to do with present stress, which was based off of like, essentially climate anxiety, if you think about it.

Stefanie Bautista 20:46
Yeah.

Ariel Landrum 20:46
So she could technically be diagnosed with that. But the thing when it comes to like climate, well, it would be anxiety, but we put for the climate. But when it comes to climate anxiety, and those who are indigenous, it’s not really considered a disorder, it’s considered a an appropriate response to seeing their homelands, like completely demolished and often comes with like grief and loss, fear for their future. So I think I think, pet, and I don’t think that she has anything that would denote to me that there would be a disability.

Stefanie Bautista 21:18
Yeah, because it’s a common effect. It’s a common struggle that a lot of people in the diaspora go through, especially with her people who have moved from place to place. And now in that move, in that, you know, reality of her village, her trying to find her place is something that she’s just naturally going through, it’s not necessarily an anomaly to anybody who’s living there.

Ariel Landrum 21:40
And the land going through like struggles with fishing and coconut like, essentially, like, I mean, we know it’s the goddess, but it’s like a blight. You know, like there’s there’s actual struggle going on with the the climate and the nature, again, appropriate responses. And so I would not consider, not the, I would not consider it a mental health disorder as a result of something like, organic could be environmental trauma, if it were to persist. But we saw in the movie, she kind of clean things up pretty quickly.

Stefanie Bautista 22:12
She did, she did, and you know, Hay Hay, kind of symbolizes a part of her village that you know, always is with her, because it’s something that just exists in her village that is very specific to her village. And that makes her think of home all the time, even though she has Pua with her even though she has the memories. And you know, her grandma with her all the time. Hay was a physical representation of that, and he just always showed up. So I think you know, that being a part of home is something that a pet gives to us, wherever we are, if you move with your pet, whether it’s city to city, state to state, it’s a little piece of home that you know, you always familiarize yourself with.

Ariel Landrum 22:51
Even in the way that you’re sharing that when I work with clients who have like pet grief and loss, one of the things that I highlight is we tend to get pets at pivotal moments of our life. Like when we first stepped out into the world on our own, when we were first living on our own or when we get children or preparing to start a family or as a couple trying to see if we could we that’s usually when we get a pet. So they marker like milestones, very specific moments of our lives. And that and that was Hay Hay, like he he ventured out with her in a moment where she just had a lot of uncertainty. And when it comes to the grief and loss of a pet, usually that’s marking like, if we’ve lived with them for a substantial amount of time that’s marking an end of like that milestone, and having to both realize that and grieve not only those changes and losses, but now have to grieve the act, the act of representation of that, which is our pet.

Stefanie Bautista 23:46
Yeah, and to move on with your life without that is a huge transition for people who get pets at pivotal moments. Like you said.

Ariel Landrum 23:54
Pets witnesses that are most vulnerable. We stand naked in front of them.

Stefanie Bautista 23:58
They’re kind of just there all the time.

Ariel Landrum 24:00
And that was Hay Hay, right?

Stefanie Bautista 24:01
Yeah.

Ariel Landrum 24:01
There all the time.

Stefanie Bautista 24:03
You really didn’t want him to be here. It was kind of a nuisance. He was just there with his googly eyes. Great. I love that. I didn’t think we’re gonna have that conversation with Hay Hay, but you know what, he took us there. He took us there. Wonderful. So that is Hay Hay our next free well actually this one’s not even really free because doesn’t have hair is Pascal from Tangled. Wonderful chameleon so lovable so cute. Rapunzel’s right hand’s man? I’m I think Pascal is a male name. So I’m I think he’s a boy.

Ariel Landrum 24:38
Yeah, I think I think she uses he he him with him.

Stefanie Bautista 24:42
Yeah, yeah. So Pascal is very loyal to her. He is her only friend when she’s imprisoned in the tower never leaves her side. So we know that there’s a lot of emotional bonding there because they’re the only two in the tower. He is her fierce protector. He is kind of like kind of like a sibling almost, that, you know really is rooting for her. And once Flynn Rider comes up, he has his side eye. I think he’s also a character that doesn’t talk.

Ariel Landrum 25:10
Yes, yes, I do know that Pascal grabs things for her like her paint brushes. I do believe he has been trained essentially, either actively she taught him or just from the general relationship of interaction. And given that she is in severe solitude and finds out later that she’s kidnapped, I could say that there may be some diagnoses that could occur. Given that he goes out with her into the world, it’s hard to tell if she trusts Flynn Rider, right or more because she has Pascal or like the like her own naivety or just willingness, or her spirit right to just explore on the world. And we do see her oscillate in a lot of pain for like, leaving her mom, right? Like that was a big thing was this their attachment together was her to be individualized to her to sort of like they were very what is in Bowen called enmeshed. So, again, because she was locked away. I think he could lean towards psychiatric service animal, I think there’s a possibility.

Stefanie Bautista 26:19
I definitely believe that. Yeah, I think that that’s huge, just because Rapunzel is going through so many extreme measures in her daily life. And when we see Rapunzel she’s coming out of that, and she’s having a lot of realizations, she’s at a pivotal moment in her life. So she is not only going through her process of discovering womanhood, but she’s also discovering that everything that she knew was basically not exactly what she thought it was. And Pascal is her constant throughout all of this.

Ariel Landrum 26:49
And like you mentioned, the only socialization she had besides her mother. So already, he plays an integral psychological role in that she, she creates dialogue with him. But very different than when Kristoff’s using Sven, like, essentially for emotional support. Because he’s, he’s kind of leaning on him, like during times of struggle. For her, like, Pascal is constantly with her. She’s constantly engaging with him. And she’s having essentially direct relationship and dialogue with him and, and plans her day with him. Like, I feel like he’s so integral to what her lived experience was before she left the tower, then there couldn’t, I couldn’t imagine him not being a psychiatric service animal.

Stefanie Bautista 27:36
Exactly. And I think the choice for him to be a chameleon was so smart, because he is basically her window to the outside world. He could be whatever she wanted him to be. And he has the ability to do that, because she didn’t have that perspective to the outside world, aside from her interactions with him. And, you know, I think if it was any other animal, I don’t think it would have had the same effect. Because what she was going through was really, really extreme.

Ariel Landrum 28:05
And I think also shows you where some of the advancement for disability laws for service animals needs to take place. Like I said, here in the US, it’s the service animal federally is a dog, and that tower was not going to fit a dog. I don’t think there’s no way that Mother Gothel would have allowed her to have a dog she had to be able to hide him right? And

Stefanie Bautista 28:29
He could camouflage whenever he needed to hide in her hair really because her hair could hide anything. Maybe her hair could have hit an emotional service dog. Now that I think about. I mean she’s swinging from tower to tower, she could hide a dog. She could hide a dog.

Ariel Landrum 28:43
She could hide a dog in there.

Stefanie Bautista 28:44
But anyway that’s beside the point.

Ariel Landrum 28:47
But yeah, I think that if there had been more if we have been embracing more animals in regards to like those laws, the we would find a lot more people getting assistance in ways that that we hadn’t considered and for for me when it comes to emotional support animals because the law doesn’t say that it has to be specifically a dog. I have assessed cats, dogs, and some lizards. I don’t know much about bird and human interaction. I’ve never received training for that. So that’s why I always refer out but with particularly when it comes to like bearded dragons seem to be the thing.

Stefanie Bautista 29:24
Yeah a lot of popularity around Bearded Dragons as emotional support animals.

Ariel Landrum 29:29
The reason they get into being the choice oftentimes has to do with the individual has severe allergies. So it’s like, oh, I don’t have the option of a dog or a cat. And I also need what an emotional support animal can provide to mitigate. You know, my mental health disability and bearded dragon ends up doing it.

Stefanie Bautista 29:47
Interesting.

Ariel Landrum 29:48
Yeah.

Stefanie Bautista 29:49
They’re cute though.

Ariel Landrum 29:50
They are.

Stefanie Bautista 29:50
Love Love Me a bearded dragon. I do want to shout out Flynn Rider’s horse Maximus…

Ariel Landrum 29:57
Yeah…

Stefanie Bautista 29:58
He plays…

Ariel Landrum 29:58
Well stolen horse or rehomed?

Stefanie Bautista 30:02
He rehomed himself? Oh, Because I think that he creates a counterpart to Rapunzel’s relationship with Pascal. And I think, because we see Flynn Rider have his own kind of character arc and his growth in the story as well, because he learns a lot of things about himself. I think it was really beautiful for both of them to go through those changes with their animal companions.

Ariel Landrum 30:25
And essentially him being challenged by like this authority figure of a horse and creating essentially respect towards it. Whereas, like, all previous versions of him had no respect for like authority.

Stefanie Bautista 30:36
Yeah, yeah, definitely. And this was more of like a mutual relationship, almost, because the horse was kind of forced into it, but then also was just kind of like, “Alright, this guy’s kind of pathetic, so let’s help him out.”

Ariel Landrum 30:47
“I feel pity.”

Stefanie Bautista 30:50
All right, awesome. So the next character that we’re going to talk about is a speaking character. And he has a very great role in this iconic movie. And we are going to be talking about Zazu from The Lion King.

Ariel Landrum 31:05
Ah!

Stefanie Bautista 31:06
So we are kind of pivoting now. And we were talking about a animal companion to a villain. So as you all know, Zazu in the original Lion King, the animated version, he is the royal advisor to well, he is Mufasa’s as advisor, but then he has to kind of pivot, because when Mufasa passes away, he has to now serve under Scar. So he kind of plays a dual role. And we can all say that he is a working animal because he is an advisor.

Ariel Landrum 31:34
Yeah, yes. And I think even more so when he was Scar’s advisor, he was even more of a working animal because he was he, he didn’t even get to give advice. It was like, “Sing for me!,” right? “Do do this task.” And that’s all that we don’t have a relationship. When it came to Mufasa, he had a relationship with Mufasa. They, they had dialogue together. And this is where it’s like, it starts to get murky, right? Because they can actually have a conversation and you’re having a conversation with your pets. But if we were thinking of Mufasa if Mufasa was a human and Zazu was still a bird. One of the things that I would notice of their interaction is that he is considering the needs of Zazu which starts to feel more like a pet. And we do consider the needs of working animals we do, you know, good ethical farms are gonna give them the medicine they need proper food, enrichment and nourishment. However, at the end of the day, they’re still a working animal. Where as in this case, Zazu seemed integrated with the community. So it’s with the family felt more pet like.

Stefanie Bautista 31:43
Yeah, definitely pet like but also a pet that could snitch on you because he was kind of a killjoy all the time especially through Simba’s eyes. Simba, Nala were like “Zazu get the heck away from us, we are just trying to live our lives. We’re trying to be kids.” And he was like the uncle the babysitter, who was just like, you know, “Don’t do that. You can’t go over there.” But he meant well, we know that he has good intentions for the kingdom good intentions for Mufasa’s family because he is so loyal. And not only is he a servant, but he is you know, trusted within their community.

Ariel Landrum 33:16
And because he’s so loyal even though he was a working animal, then later assigned, we could say like to Scar, the second that Simba came back, he allied with Simba like…

Stefanie Bautista 33:28
Yeah.

Ariel Landrum 33:29
Allied with his original, essentially what you’d say family or owners. And we, we do see that right when, when pets get re homed, or when working animals get moved to a different farm, they tend to remember their original family and have like a bond with them.

Stefanie Bautista 33:43
Yeah. Or even if they’re lost, and they get reunited, or if they deploy, and

Ariel Landrum 33:52
You have that story. We’ll say that in a bit. They remember

Stefanie Bautista 33:58
They remember and they show it in every single way, humanly or animal possible.

Ariel Landrum 34:03
Emotionally.

Stefanie Bautista 34:04
Emotionally. And we see that through Zazu because he immediately is like, “You know what, screw all that. I’m just gonna go back to my original pride,” even though he is not a lion himself. He has loyalty to the pride that Mufasa created.

Ariel Landrum 34:21
And remember, we said that pets, first and foremost have companionship. And there’s companionship there. Right when you’re thinking of family bonding, like Yeah, that’s it.

Stefanie Bautista 34:32
Yeah, exactly. So yeah. Zazu man, voice by Rowan Atkinson, which I was like, “Mr. Bean what?” When I was a kid, because, you know, Mr. Bean, he was he was pretty popular back then. And having him having that speaking role, I think really brought his character to life. And he did such a wonderful job of just playing that kind of snitch.

Ariel Landrum 34:58
Yes.

Stefanie Bautista 34:59
That snitcher but also you know, you really felt for him when he was under Scar’s control because you you didn’t want him to perish.

Ariel Landrum 35:07
And then in the live action it’s a it’s John Oliver right?

Stefanie Bautista 35:10
Yes, it’s a John Oliver.

Ariel Landrum 35:11
And I think he did. I mean this John Oliver!

Stefanie Bautista 35:13
Such a great job! Yeah John Oliver! Could have been just a reincarnation of Zazu himself. So smart. So as a matter of fact, very British.

Ariel Landrum 35:24
Also sassy.

Stefanie Bautista 35:25
Super sassy. And yeah, we we heard that Sass vocalized instead of just you know, like a side eye or their actions. It was all of that so. Yeah, great character. Okay, fantastic. So, the next one is we’re going to reach a little bit because this is a much much older movie. Gus and Jaq from Cinderella.

Ariel Landrum 35:47
Ahh Gus Gus!

Stefanie Bautista 35:48
Yes, Gus Gus and Jaq are wonderful sidekicks, little mice, that helps Cinderella they’re faithful mouse companions to her. And they love her. They truly just love her. They live with her. They see her struggles. They’re devoted to helping her sneaking her all the things that she needs in order for her to escape her situation.

Ariel Landrum 36:08
And she does go through severe amounts of trauma she loses she’s she loses the mom she loses the dad gains a wicked stepmother and we can sisters right? Becomes essentially, I’m not even gonna use the term like indentured servant like she’s abused into essentially slavery in her own home. Has no access to any of her own wealth, her own family property, her name, they they essentially try to erase her from the from existence except to just be I wouldn’t say maid but she’s not getting paid.

Stefanie Bautista 36:40
Yeah.

Ariel Landrum 36:41
And so lots of severe trauma. What we do know is she, herself relies personally on kindness, something that was instilled to her by her bio parents, and something that she’s able to hold on true. But given the amount of trauma that she’s experienced in the lack of socialization, the outside world, she definitely needed to socialize herself with the animals. And there are a variety of animals in that movie, but the mice specifically did her bidding, like Gus Gus and Jaq would do what she told them to they would retrieve things. And so I definitely consider them a service animal or psychiatric service animal that had, like function that they are aware of, and their direct relationship to her like they they enjoyed sort of like their own life, but for the most part, they were keeping an eye on her.

Stefanie Bautista 37:34
Yeah, they were keeping an eye on her. They were watching out for her. They’re the ones who got the key to the room, because Lady Tremaine locked her in there so that she couldn’t try on the glass slipper. If none of that happened. If they didn’t do that action, there would be no story. So I mean, I think definitely you’re spot on with that categorization. Because they’re they’re really the heroes in this story. They save her. It wasn’t Prince Charming. It was them.

Ariel Landrum 38:00
It was them. And I think they work with the other animals well.

Stefanie Bautista 38:05
They work with the birds.

Ariel Landrum 38:07
Okay, the she gets Bruno up there to scare away Lucifer, the cat. And even though like they are essentially, on the chopping block of, like hierarchy when it comes to engaging with the cat, they did what they were told. And when it comes to service animals and psychiatric service animals, we obviously want to take care in the situations we put them in. But some situations could be just naturally scary to them that they ignore that fear because they want to service their handler. So like, common examples would be like, noises at a construction site can be very scary and loud to a dog. But if they have to help guide their handler, they will do it. They will they will they will desensitize themselves and those mice knew they need to be afraid of the cat. They still try their best.

Stefanie Bautista 38:56
Still did it. And that cat was big. It was pissy. It who just did not want to do anything with anyone.

Ariel Landrum 39:02
Named after the devil.

Stefanie Bautista 39:03
Literally named the devil. And interesting enough Jaq, Jacque and Gus Gus don’t speak English. They speak kind of a broken version of it. So they’re kind of like they say Cinder- they Cinderelle they don’t really say her name so they they’re not totally humanized. But they’re not totally fully animal. They were close. They were shirts.

They make me think of Pokemon. Gus Gus.

Truly but it’s funny because Pokemon don’t even wear clothes like that it’s just Pikachu that does.

Ariel Landrum 39:40
Unless you’re playing Pokemon Go and it’s an event day.

Stefanie Bautista 39:42
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yeah, so anyway, we digress. But Jaq and Gus Gus are super lovable. I think they are unsung heroes. I mean, they are mice so we know that they are the underdogs. that we know that they are the ones that you know we’re rooting for. Without them Cinderella would not be saved. She She would still be in her crappy situation. So shout out to those two. We’ve gone through a lot of different animals. And I think it is fitting that we end, I want to end with a couple just because we didn’t hit these pretty big ones. Little Mermaid just came out, we all know and we have a lot of really great friends when it comes to the Little Mermaid. So we can kind of do a mash up of two? Because we can talk about Flounder. And we can talk about Sebastian, because they are two very important characters and friends to Ariel that help her in different ways. We did talk about Zazu. And when I think about Zazu, I think about how Sebastian plays a very similar role because they are both advisors to their king.

Ariel Landrum 40:48
So I definitely think that with the live action and the animated Flounder and Flounder was more of essentially a companion so a pet. And, you know, knew I would say tasks or tricks like could grab things. But But he had a relationship with Ariel. I think the second that she lost her fins, she gained a physical disability.

Stefanie Bautista 41:14
Yes.

Ariel Landrum 41:14
Like we’re thinking like gaining legs would not be. But remember, she is not human. She is not she’s not meant to have those legs, she literally essentially removed an entire appendage of her body. Yes. and is having to now completely relearn how her body is functioning without that appendage.

Stefanie Bautista 41:35
And she lost her voice.

Ariel Landrum 41:37
She lost her voice. So she also cannot communicate. So she has two forms of essentially what would be a physical disability. And I think after that because of her deep relationship with Flounder, he turned into somewhat of a service animal however, because of his limitations being in the water, it then transition to Sebastian, who was not her pet. And instead was maybe I would say like, if we’re gonna say companion or pet or dad’s pet, he like then rehome to her.

Stefanie Bautista 42:12
Yeah.

Ariel Landrum 42:13
Who learned to be a service animal because what we saw was he helped. We saw them helping her swim up, right. Both of them are under each of her arms. He’s like now having to translate things to her and communicate to her. He is running around the castle. Spoiler alert in the live action. He doesn’t get a kitchened. He doesn’t have the kitchen song.

Stefanie Bautista 42:35
Yeah, boo. But anyway.

Ariel Landrum 42:38
But he is sleeping in the bed with her. He is trying to help her achieve a very specific goal, which is to create a connection with Eric, which we can say that he becomes her voice.

Stefanie Bautista 42:48
Yeah.

Ariel Landrum 42:48
Right.

Stefanie Bautista 42:49
Yeah, he becomes the orchestrator, which is in the animated movie as well, because he starts the song he almost has them kiss. So he is definitely working all throughout this movie, because he is on task all the time. He just wants to get the job done to protect her.

Ariel Landrum 43:07
Yeah. And I don’t know how you even live action or the animated how Eric somehow magically understands him. But yeah, he becomes her voice. He literally is the one because he’s the one who speaks her name. Right?

Stefanie Bautista 43:20
Yeah, like says it behind like, trees. But then, I think Well, I think Eric somehow manifest that as like a voice in his head.

Ariel Landrum 43:30
Yeah.

Stefanie Bautista 43:31
He’s not necessarily saying “Oh, my God isn’t an animal talking to me?!” He’s just like, oh, maybe there’s something because he’s looking for intuition, right? He’s looking for something that’s going to give him a signal to find this girl. And he takes those signals, which are actually Sebastian, he doesn’t know that. But he’s thinking of it in his own way.

Ariel Landrum 43:47
Yeah, I think they both become that. And I will say, again, is something that can be common, because some of the things that we want to remember is that anyone, anyone and everyone is susceptible to gaining a disability, that is why it’s important to become a advocate for the disabled, because you could be part of that community. It unfortunately could just be one accident away. And and so in this case, with her having someone speak for her, that like essentially her interpreter as as well as could be. That was such a beautiful task and functional aid, though, was necessary and crucial.

Stefanie Bautista 43:47
Yeah, it was crucial to the whole thing. It’s crucial to the story to her development to her survival. And with without that, I think, you know, we we don’t necessarily think Ariel and Sebastian we think Ariel and Flounder, and you know, I feel like this perspective might have changed me to think you know, Sebastian did hold it down for Ariel even though he truly did not want to it was just a nuisance for him the whole entire time.

Ariel Landrum 44:54
Yeah. And he had the ability to go on land and in water.

Stefanie Bautista 44:58
Another smart choice. Yeah, because Flounder had those limitations.

Ariel Landrum 45:02
Yeah. And again, sometimes with a service animal, we realize like, we need a very specific thing that one can’t provide or the other. That’s why I mentioned earlier, miniature horses for balancing. They are, they’re just stocky and sturdier. There’s no way that I don’t care how big of a dog you have that if you have a difficulty with balance, that a dog’s not really going to provide that in the way that a horse can.

Stefanie Bautista 45:28
Got four sturdy legs. Well, we went through a lot of different animals and a lot of really beloved animals and characters. We do want to leave off, I don’t want to forget our magical character Mushu.

Ariel Landrum 45:45
All right!

Stefanie Bautista 45:45
Because he is not really a real animal. But he’s also not seen by everyone. So I feel like he’s a definite anomaly. To a lot of sidekicks. I think he is open to interpretation.

Ariel Landrum 45:59
Yeah. So I don’t know if you could call him a pet. Yeah, he might be a working animal he was assigned.

Stefanie Bautista 46:04
I mean, his official label is Guardian.

Ariel Landrum 46:07
Yeah okay.

Stefanie Bautista 46:08
So he is a deity. He is a guardian, even though he is a dragon. But also guys, dragons aren’t real. So he is definitely a sidekick. I feel like it’s, it’s good to note him. He’s an honorable mention in our list, because he’s, he’s there for Mulan, he talks to the ancestors, he’s there to protect her, no matter where she is. But he also has a physical ability to help her out whenever she needs to watch out for her when she’s taking a swim, or, you know, taking a bath, and lights fireworks like, not every animal could do that.

Ariel Landrum 46:45
I think if I were to categorize him more as a pet, I may categorize them as emotional support animal when Mulan because Because essentially, Mulan was committing a crime. But if we moved remove that component, she was engaging in, you know, gender fluidity of gender expression. And, you know, dressing like a man, if we were to even say that she was someone who was queer wanted to be more fluid in her presentation, he then might be an emotional support animal, not because that is a disability, but because of the way the outside world treats individuals who are gender fluid, and that she got support from him, like he was cooking her food, and he was fighting others for her. But also, he was, at first he was a little bit against it, but he was actively supporting her in a time when she could have had a lot of mental emotional struggle. So maybe.

Stefanie Bautista 47:37
That was, that was only her her only connection to, you know, keeping her from just giving up. Because he was there rooting her on and he was there being the voice of reason and saying, you know, “Hey, let’s take a step back and think about why you’re actually doing this.” But he also had an agenda of his own because he wanted to be a, you know, a full deity himself. So there’s a lot of layers to Mushu I think that warrants a whole episode in itself.

Ariel Landrum 48:03
And I think even you highlighting that, like when I work with clients who are trans and transitioning their emotional support, animals are oftentimes the direct reason why they can complete a transition. And it’s because, “If I’m happier, my pets happier, I’m happier, we have a better relationship. And because we have a better relationship, I no longer feel the symptoms of potentially depression or anxiety that have been put on me by the environment.” So in that case, I would say that because he was a direct motivator for her he, he could have been an emotional support animal like we’re leaning towards there.

Stefanie Bautista 48:36
I mean, he was my emotional support animal when Mulan was going through all of that stuff when I was watching the movie. So without him and his comical relief, and also his just undying loyalty to her. I think she wouldn’t have gone through what she had gone through and survived and saved all of China. Personally, I gained a pet when I needed it the most emotionally. When my husband deployed overseas for a whole year, I was living by myself in the apartment and we lost our dog that we had raised a couple years before that. And so I felt that it was time for me to find a dog or a dog to find me. So I adopted my pitbull mix Chance at one of the really big Best Friends Animal adoption events here in Los Angeles, shout out to them. He was fully trained. He was about three years old when I adopted him. And he was a really great companion for me when I was living alone in the apartment, because he gave me a sense of purpose and routine when you know, I didn’t really have those things not having my partner living with me. Other than going to work. It gave me something to look forward to like I walked them in the morning I walked them at night. We shared a lot of just outings together with friends. And you know, he he’s still with us to this day. Now that I have two kids. He’s, you know, my kids protector and I Um, yeah, the different times that my husband left to deploy or went on training, every single time he comes back, my dog goes insane. Like he jumps around, like claws, whoever he is pushing down, he’s about 75 pounds. So he is not a very small dog. So when he shows his emotions, he shows them in a big, big way. And that kind of goes back to what you were saying that, you know, all of these animals, they, they do recognize people, they do establish those relationships, they do have that loyalty, all of these things that, you know, we see in stories happen in real life. And so, you know, having Chance as a part of the family in a time where I was lonely, and I needed some companionship really carried throughout the different phases in our life. And now that we don’t, you know, we don’t experience that in the extreme that we did before, because now I have kids, he plays a different purpose now. And you know, as he’s getting older, as my kids are getting older, they’re forming that bond. And they’re establishing that mutual relationship of emotional need of security, of just a sense of community within, you know, they’re all siblings now, which is really great to see. And, you know, Ariel has seen firsthand the benefits of me adopting Chance at the pivotal time that I needed him.

Ariel Landrum 51:24
Yes. And when Stef was interested in trying to see if he could qualify as an emotional support animal, I gave her referrals to be able to get the evaluation. And what what some people aren’t aware of is emotional support animals have to be reevaluated every year. And there was a certain point where once AJ returned, and then you started to grow your family, he became just a pet. At that point, there was no need to do this assessment. There’s no need to do documentation. And I think that’s that’s also just crucial to let people know is that sometimes they think that their certification from a mental health providers like forever, and yeah, it lasts for a year. That’s because disabilities also change, right? When we have more accesses, when we start to, depending on on what we’re experiencing, like in a mental health related experience, maybe we’re doing more healing, maybe we’ve now switched to a different type of treatments and emotional support animal, we’ve added medication, now we’re able to do things more that we don’t rely on our emotional support animal for.

Stefanie Bautista 52:27
Yeah, and one of the reasons why I asked for diagnosis is because of my living situation. At the time, too. I was living in an apartment complex that didn’t necessarily welcome dogs, unless they were serving a purpose. So since then, my living situation has changed. I don’t have to, you know, report that to anybody. So even though it kind of worked out in my favor, it it was just it’s good to know that you know, you have to kind of abide by the cycles and the the ways that we all grow as well in relationship to our animals, whether they’re working or whether they’re not.

Ariel Landrum 53:04
So if you have any sidekicks that you think we should have talked about, or if you disagree with any of our decisions, please, please tweet at us @happiestpodGT, or send us a DM on Instagram, @happiestpodGT. If you have a service animal or emotional support animal or even a pet that you want to share and show. Go ahead and send that to we want all the animal photos.

Stefanie Bautista 53:30
Yes, all the animal photos always in forever. All right, it was great talking about our animal sidekicks. And you know what, I’m gonna go hug my dog now. Yeah. All right. See you next time, everyone.

Ariel Landrum 53:42
Bye!

Media/Characters Mentioned
  • Disney Sidekicks
  • Ariel (The Little Mermaid)
  • Miko (Pocahontas)
  • Kristoff and Sven (Frozen)
  • Hay Hay (Moana)
  • Rapunzel and Pascal (Tangled)
  • Zazu (The Lion King)
  • Gus and Jack (Cinderella)
  • Flounder and Sebastian (The Little Mermaid)
  • Mushu (Mulan)
  • Disney’s Rapunzel
  • Disney’s Cinderella
Topics/Themes Mentioned
  • Mental Wellness
  • Role of Disney Sidekicks in Emotional Support
  • Americans with Disabilities Act
  • Mental Health Assessments
  • Emotional Support Animals
  • Service Animals
  • Therapy Animals
  • Impact of Animal Companions
  • Disability and Disney Characters
  • Psychiatric Service Animals
  • Ethical Treatment of Working Animals
  • Heroic Animal Characters
  • Disability Representation in Disney Movies
  • Emotional Support
  • Coping Mechanisms
  • Reevaluation of Emotional Support Animals

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Styling for Dapper Day

April 22, 2023 · Discuss on the GT Forum

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#32: Join cohosts Ariel and Stefanie on their journey for Dapper Day outfits. Immerse yourself in the world of Dapper Day at Disneyland as they explore everything from dressing tips and theme ideas to personal experiences and the pursuit of the perfect outfit pieces. Dive into discussions on vintage fashion, body acceptance, and privilege as they talk about stepping out in style.

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Summary

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Summary

  • What is Dapper Day? 0:10
    • Dapper Day at Disneyland.
    • Step out in style.
    • Disneyland Dapper Day Expo

  • Dressing for Dapper Day 5:23
    • Disney Bounding is when they use color blocking.
    • Choosing a theme.
    • The value of being complimented on Dapper Day.
    • Different elements of a Dapper Day outfit.
    • Think good and hard about footwear.

  • Ariel and Stef’s Dapper Days of the Past 8:42
    • Ariel bought socks to wear with her heels due to the pain of walking all day.
    • Different park preparation from 20-year-old years to 30-year-old years.
    • Flamingo-themed dress, floral-themed dress, tiki-themed dress, and Moana-themed dress.
    • Tips for where to take pictures in the park.
    • A short girl solution to short girl problems.
    • The many theme ideas for Dapper Day.

  • Ideas for Dapper Day 14:46
    • The Disney Dress Shop in Downtown Disneyland.
    • The difference between making costumes and curating an outfit.
    • Flexibility and intentionality are needed when deciding to go vintage or retro.
    • Embracing culture.
    • Filipino formal wear of The Barong Tagalog, The Terno, and The Maria Clara.

  • On A Mission for Dapper Day Outfit Pieces 22:26
    • Searching Amazon for Dapper Day themed outfit ideas.
    • On a mission for the perfect pair of white boots.
    • Trying to attain that perfect look, even when it hurts.
  • Ariel Does a Star Wars Disneybound for Spring Dapper Day 2023 30:09
    • The fine line between replica and upgraded outfit.
    • Wait, are they getting married?
  • Dress To Your Comfort Level 34:58
    • Acknowledging the element of privilege in participating in Dapper Day.
Accepting the changes to your body.
    • Stepping out or staying in your comfort zone.
    • Attending the Expo instead of the Park to enjoy Dapper Day.
    • Catch Stef and Ariel at San Diego Comic-Con for three different panels.

Transcription

Ariel Landrum 0:10
Hello, everyone, welcome to the Happiest Pod on Earth. I’m Ariel. I’m a licensed therapist who uses my clients passions and fandoms to help them grow and heal from trauma.

Stefanie Bautista 0:20
And I’m Stef, I’m an educator who uses passions and fandoms to help my students grow and learn about themselves and the world around them.

Ariel Landrum 0:26
And Happiest Pod is where we dissect Disney mediums with a critical lens.

Stefanie Bautista 0:32
Why do we do this? Because we’re more than just fans, we expect more from the mediums that we consume, especially from Disney. So Ariel, what Disney experience are we discussing today?

Ariel Landrum 0:42
We’re gonna talk about Dapper Day.

Stefanie Bautista 0:47
It has been a minute since we’ve talked about anything. And right before we started recording this, I was 100% shocked that we haven’t talked about tougher day before, because it’s one of our annual traditions, I guess biannual because it happens twice a year, right? Yeah. And it’s one of the things that me and Ariel love doing at the parks. It’s one of the things that brought us together as best friends. And so I’m just like, “Why haven’t we talked about this befire?”

Ariel Landrum 1:14
Exactly! Stef, what is Dapper Day?

Stefanie Bautista 1:17
So Dapper Day. And this is open to interpretation, right? Everybody who’s listening, I know you guys have probably heard seen, or maybe even had friends who participated in Dapper Day, it’s a chance for everybody to come dressed at the park in their best outfits. So as you all know, Disneyland opened in 1955. And in 1955, the fashion was completely different. Everybody was in dresses, men wearing in suits. Even little kids didn’t wear athletic wear. They basically wore really cute things to the park, it was as if they were going out to a special event.

Ariel Landrum 1:51
And the park was more like a park, right? The rides were not as extreme as they are now.

Stefanie Bautista 1:58
It was more like going to a park that had amusement rides, much like a carousel at Griffith Park or pony ride or something like that. So basically, Dapper Day is a way for retro enthusiast, fashion enthusiast, and Disney fashion enthusiast to come together. It dressed up and their best in the park and basically takes a million pictures. Because you when you’re dressed up to the nines like that you’re not really wanting to you know, mess up your hair on Splash Mountain RIP. But you want to just show out and step out and I think the official theme is ‘Step Out in Style,’ right? So that is basically Dapper Day. It happens twice a year, once in the spring and once in the fall. And since then it’s expanded to different events either at museums or local gardens and they also now have Dapper Day at Epcot in Disney World and they also have it in Disneyland Paris as well.

Ariel Landrum 2:50
So started by the fans and now when we say if is it is it actually officially recognized by Disney or is it like unofficially officially because I remember when you introduced me to it this was back in like 2017 I believe it was like unofficially recognized by Disney in that Mickey would come out and like his like best dress and like his dapper wear on that day. So it was like a nod that they knew was Dapper Day, but it wasn’t featured on their website. It wasn’t acknowledged in the sense that it was an event sponsored, covered or approved by Disney.

Stefanie Bautista 3:23
Right. So here’s the thing. They hold the Dapper Day Expo, which is basically like they’re Dapper Day at Comic Con, have you, in the Disneyland Hotel and they have all these vendors and they sell dapper where they still have they get they do your hair, they sell shoes, all the things that you need to make up an outfit. They have performances, all that stuff, everything that’s like very retro. And they hold that at the Disneyland Hotel and they sell merchandise that says Disneyland Dapper Day or Disney Parks Dapper Day. When I visited Epcot last year. They even had a booth that was in Epcot right in front of I think where the America section was, and that booth had Dapper Day merchandise although we don’t see it on the parks and tickets. It’s not a ticketed event. So it’s not like it would be on the website as a ticketed event like Oogie Boogie Bash would be I feel like it’s recognized by the parks but I don’t think it’s owned by the parks if that makes sense.

Ariel Landrum 4:17
Okay.

Stefanie Bautista 4:18
Yeah, correct me if I’m wrong everyone but I thought these are just my observations.

Ariel Landrum 4:22
Yes. And I haven’t seen anything like on the website I feel like we follow enough Disney influencers that if it became like an officially recognized like announced thing by Disney, we would have seen it all over Instagram as like “Breaking news!”

Stefanie Bautista 4:39
And to be quite honest with you, I don’t feel like that’s necessary because it is such a casual, casual but you’re not looking casual event where people just come dressed to the park. It’s not like you have character meet and greets. You don’t have like special theme food like they’re not going to serve your hot dog from the 1950s. But they have been incorporating some of those elements into everyday Park life. For example, you find the retro popcorn bucket in different places at the park in California Adventure, they have performances by a swing band, and they have, you know, things that called back to that era, but not necessarily needing to section out the whole day in order to have the event because it is so casual.

Ariel Landrum 5:24
Yes. And when it comes to dapper, it’s really what you define as dapper. So some people will pick an era like the 1950s, or 1960s, or 1970s. Some people will do a Disneybound. I talked about this in episode before. But if you don’t remember Disneybounding is when you use colorblocking to denote that you are representing a Disney character without actually having a costume. And so we’ll see a lot of people were like very fancy dresses that are red and blue and wait and be there Snow White, and sometimes the theme is just whatever you want. So my first like Dapper Day that I did matching a partner was I was lemons. And that was that was the theme was I had this dress that I bought from Unique Vintage that I’d owned for like two and a half years that I never worn. So and it had lemons on it.

Stefanie Bautista 6:13
And it was a hit. It was a whole hit. How many compliments did you get? I couldn’t even remember, you got so many everybody loved lemons, and they loved just the way you and your partner coordinated. It was very cute and very summery. And I think it was the spring one. So it was very well put together. Bravo, bravo.

Ariel Landrum 6:34
Thank you. Thank you.

Stefanie Bautista 6:35
And another thing you always kind of know, and this is like a side note that you did a good job when people compliment you at the park.

Ariel Landrum 6:42
Yes.

Stefanie Bautista 6:43
It gives you a sense of like that you’re like, “Oh, yes, I did it.” If somebody recognize you as a character if you’re Disneybounding. Or if they say, “Oh my gosh, I love your hair or your shoes,” or whatever. People talk to each other at the parks all the time. But when they give specific compliments like that, I think that’s what’s special about Dapper Day is because you know you made an effort and for people recognizing that effort, it brings that sense of community to the event.

Ariel Landrum 7:04
Even with the Disney Bounding this Dapper Day, we met up with our friend who is a psychologist, Dr. Elizabeth Han and, and her husband, Benji Han, and they were Aladdin and Jasmine. And it was awesome, because all of the other crew that you would see in that movie. So we saw Jafar, we saw The Genie, they would run up to them and be like, “Can we take a picture with you?” And because they knew who you were, and you knew who they were.

Stefanie Bautista 7:32
Yeah. And shout out to Liz and Benji, they did such a great job on that Disneybound. Oh my gosh, perfect. And they look great throughout the day,

Ariel Landrum 7:40
Some people will just buy things and put things together. Some people will like go through their closet, Elizabeth, she dyed her gloves and like her scarf to match the specific color of Jasmine’s outfits. So go all out, go big. You know, keep it tiny, keep it close to your closet, whatever it is, ends up being just a lot of fun to step into Dapper Day.

Stefanie Bautista 8:01
Yeah, there’s different elements of putting your outfit together. And that is one of the parts of preparing for the parks that is a little bit different when it comes to Dapper Day. Of course, like as Ariel mentioned, it’s either you’re gonna go down the Disneybound route, or you’re just gonna go down the vintage route. Either one is fine. One of the lessons early on that both me and her found out was to really think good and hard about your footwear. Because if you’re planning to stay at the parks all day, if you don’t have the leisure of having a hotel nearby, you’re basically commuting over there and you’re gonna stay there the whole day until you feel like you’ve gotten the most out of your park day. But if you’re wearing heels, it will cut your day short as we have found out in the past, right?

Ariel Landrum 8:42
Yes, yes. I think this was the Dapper Day in 2018 maybe?

Stefanie Bautista 8:47
Yeah.

Ariel Landrum 8:48
Oh, no wait, maybe it was 2016. Maybe we started going in 2016, not 17?

Stefanie Bautista 8:52
It was the first one that you and I have done together because I have done one before with my husband. But…

Ariel Landrum 8:57
He was deployed!

Stefanie Bautista 8:57
Yeah, he was deployed at the time. So I picked a very simple dress. I think it just had flowers on I did my hair. But you had a beautiful green dress on.

Ariel Landrum 9:05
Yeah teal green. And it had little flowers around the waist and had a parasol.

Yes, yes. And you also I think there was elements of tulle? Tulle?

Yes, yes, there’s tulle on top and I even had like a tulle, tiny hat. But we took it off after a while because it was it was getting in the way. And then I wore these heeled shoes with like buttons on them. And three hours into the day my feet were hurting, but we were just we just kept going. We just kept going and then by the time it hit like actual dark because we got there at 10 I believe my feet were bleeding basically. And we had no band aids and we ended up going to the Disney store and I bought Ariel the mermaid socks because I happen to be similar color theme. And they were tall socks. And it looked like I was wearing stockings. So it was fine and that like really helped with my feet for the rest of the evening. But man, I don’t know who I thought I was I don’t ever wear heels like ever. So the fact that I thought I could flouts around for again Disneyland!

Stefanie Bautista 10:08
I think they were like Mary Janes. So the heel was maybe no more than two inches I think?

Ariel Landrum 10:14
Yeah, they were short.

Stefanie Bautista 10:15
However the terrain of Disneyland is still concrete. It’s like wood, it is stone. It is not pillows. So if you don’t have like an insole, or if you don’t have an extra pair of flats or like slippers or something, which now in our 30s, we have because we were in our 20s. And again, who did we think we were? Because I had shoes, and I stuck it out. I don’t know how I did that. And not only does the clover anything.

Ariel Landrum 10:49
You did really good.

Stefanie Bautista 10:50
I did. But I remember having blisters, like really bad blisters. And of course, this was 2016 or whatever. I was much lighter. I was probably a little bit more fit. So I could hold my strength a little longer, but…

Ariel Landrum 11:03
Pre pre kiddos.

Stefanie Bautista 11:04
Pre kiddos, all of that stuff. Now. Even if I have sneakers, my feet are dying. But yeah, like I think that’s one of the learning lessons. And even though we went through that experience, I think it made us want to improve the next time because the next time do you remember what your outfit was?

Ariel Landrum 11:24
I believe this next outfit was flamingos. My theme was flamingos. And I had flamingos all over my dress and a flamingo purse. Yes, yes. I don’t remember the shoes at all. But I don’t remember any pain that year. So they must not have been they must have been flats. I think this is I think from the room after that all of my shoes have been flats with the exception of this year.

Stefanie Bautista 11:46
I think I did flats too. That was the one where I did a tiki theme.

Yes. And I shoved you in a bush.

Yes, she shoved me in a bush. She actually likes doing it. You do show me the bush the first time also, but you shoved me in another bush this time.

Ariel Landrum 11:58
Yes. Yes. Yes.

Stefanie Bautista 11:59
And it’s always the same bush. It’s the one right outside the Tiki.

Ariel Landrum 12:02
Yes. Yes, it is. Yes, it is. And this was before they expanded it with that outdoor eating area.

Stefanie Bautista 12:07
Yeah, yeah. So as we’re waiting for the Enchanted Tiki Room, which we always tend to do during Dapper Day. I don’t think we did that this past time. But yeah, like that bush is always like really good for pictures if you ever want to take really cool tropical pictures. That was a day that I think I wore flats too. And I think we came out on top that day.

Ariel Landrum 12:25
I even remember I had flip flops with me. So I remember because I can I can see in my mind’s eye now that they were these brown ones that I’ve gotten since rid of, but the dress was so long, you really couldn’t see my feet. It didn’t really matter what shoes I work.

Stefanie Bautista 12:38
You know what? That’s not Short Girl Problems. That’s Short Girl…

Ariel Landrum 12:42
Solutions!

Stefanie Bautista 12:43
Solutions! Exactly. Exactly.

Ariel Landrum 12:46
And your dress it was it was black. And it had floral theme, correct?

Stefanie Bautista 12:51
No, this one was actually the the other version of it. It was green and it had like tiki print on it. It was a skirt. And then I had a like cream colored blouse. And then we’re really big flower in my hair.

Ariel Landrum 13:04
You were you were Moana?

Stefanie Bautista 13:05
Not that year. That was a different year.

Ariel Landrum 13:08
That was another year?

Stefanie Bautista 13:09
That year AJ came back.

Ariel Landrum 13:10
Okay.

Stefanie Bautista 13:10
So my husband came back from deployment. And then we were Moana and Maui. But this one was just like a tiki theme. It was the one that had like these 50s sunglasses, and then you shoved me in another bush. I’ll show you a picture later. But we will also in attachment to this when we post about this episode, we will have pictures of all of our Dapper Days of past because we’ve had quite a collection now.

Ariel Landrum 13:31
And because it happens twice a year, that’s the other component is it’s like “Oh, was this spring or fall?”

Stefanie Bautista 13:39
As like, “Did I bring a jacket or did I not bring a jacket?” In spring, it gets pretty hot. Like I know we’ve had a very late winter this year. So it did get pretty cold like both in the morning and in the evening. But before it used to get really hot and so you’d be sweating, your hair would be melting. And you always just admire the ladies who just like have helmets on like they basically hairspray the crap out of your head. And it just stays perfect until like the end. I don’t know how they do that.

Ariel Landrum 14:10
I’ve seen the most elaborate hats. One specifically sticks out one year where somebody’s theme was they were the tiki room. And their hat was a headpiece that had one of the birds inside a cage. And I was just like, what, how do you do this and it all handmade. And this is around the time where you introduced me the actual Expo that they were having. And I started going there and you could buy pieces at the Expo. And a lot. It seems like a lot of people who are vendors or have relationship with the vendors, they tend to make more of their outfits. They aren’t piecing things together that they found they’re creating things.

Stefanie Bautista 14:46
When you’re thinking about putting your outfits together you are thinking like “Am I going to theme this?” If you are Disneybounding you’re going to theme it after movie. You can theme it after a ride you can theme it after the whole Disneyland park you can be with after California Adventure if you want and I think people who have been putting these outfits together have done such a great job. And with the help of social media Dapper Day, the hashtag of Dapper Day, if you just look it up, it has a million ideas. Now Disney has caught on with the idea of not just letting the fans find these pieces, but actually marketing and making these pieces. Hence the opening of the dress shop that you see in Downtown Disney. When you go inside the parks, you’re gonna see 50s 60s themed clothes, whole dresses that have different elements of them popping up. I remember the first time that they tried doing this was the tiki room.

Ariel Landrum 14:48
Yeah.

Stefanie Bautista 15:11
And like legit, everybody has this damn dress.

Ariel Landrum 15:38
Everyone was wearing this Tiki Room dress made by a Disney officially sold and made by Disney.

Stefanie Bautista 15:43
Great effort Disney in trying to relate. But when it becomes sort of a uniform, it kind of loses its pizzazz a little bit. So I feel like now they’ve like offered different like varieties of what they have at the dress shop. It is at a higher price point. I know if you like just go vintage shopping or if you you know do the extra work kind of like when you’re doing cosplay, right? There’s a difference between getting a costume that’s made for Halloween and using that for Comic Con or whatever, comic book convention. And there’s a difference between putting everything together curating it, finding those pieces and then kind of making it your own. So depends on whichever route you want to take. But there is flexibility but also know that Disney is trying to capitalize a little bit on it.

Ariel Landrum 16:26
Yes, yes. And then if you’re trying to instead replicate like an era and do something more vintage or even retro, that is a little bit trickier if you are buying replicated pieces because you already know the replicated and if you are trying to go actual vintage, there’s the expense portion but there’s also will it last?

Stefanie Bautista 16:48
Or really fit? women’s bodies now are so different from they were before when I used to have illegal vintage shopping I had to really consciously think about my body and how women’s bodies were thought of back then and how they fit into me now so it wasn’t like if I found a piece that was like a large it’s not like saying I was had gained weight or whatever because I normally wear a medium. It’s really because the idea and the concept of size was so different decades ago.

Ariel Landrum 17:15
I’ve noticed even with the size I’m top heavy, there’s just like not a lot of vintage outfits that I can buy that will fit me up where my chest is. So I tend to more buy vintage pieces like earrings, hats, bracelets, necklaces, glasses, things that are an accessory purses a lot a lot of purses. Unless something that I’m gonna wear that might wear out or that I might want to cherish later that might wear out.

Stefanie Bautista 17:43
I’m telling you Ariel one of these days we’re just going to buy those like Tiki momos and it’s gonna be like the most comfortable Dapper Day ever.

Ariel Landrum 17:50
Yeah!

Stefanie Bautista 17:51
They’re coming back into style and they are gorgeous.

Ariel Landrum 17:56
We could definitely buy some authentic ones. So…

Stefanie Bautista 17:58
Yeah. Oh yeah. I feel like…

Ariel Landrum 18:00
Filipino ones.

Stefanie Bautista 18:00
Yeah, for sure. And yeah, there’s that cultural element to it too. As…

Ariel Landrum 18:05
Yeah! Share your your cultural piece that was a huge hit the shocked you!

Stefanie Bautista 18:09
Oh my gosh, super shocked me so we so I am my heritage my I identify as Filipino American. And so in the Philippines there. Instead of wearing suits and dresses, we have two different kinds of outfits that you would wear to either a formal event or to a someone who’s a business event really just any kind of formal event. For the men’s it’s called the Barong Tagalog which is basically a bamboo woven blouse. And it’s very breathable, you normally wear just like a white shirt inside. And it is like a high collar you can even you can either have like Chinese style collar where the it doesn’t like come out on the sides or like a Western style collar that kind of comes out on the sides like you would normally see a dress shirt as. And it has very intricate patterns on it that are woven in. Very beautiful. We will show of course examples on this when we post about it, but my husband has one for every formal event that we go to. And then for women, you have a couple of different options, but they all are very similar to each other. One of them is called the terno, which is basically a blouse that has really big butterfly sleeves on the sides. Not puffy, kind of like Alice in Wonderland but more structured. So it’s very high, very flat on each side, but it has a low neck. And it also could either be a dress, which is called a Maria Clara, and there’s different versions of it. But lately over the years, people have been selling them more because people Filipino Americans and people who are you know getting married to Filipinos they are wanting to incorporate more cultural wear into their formal events. So I thought to myself, I might as well buy one because you know why? I have had like an event coming up my grandma’s 80th birthday. And so we all decided to wear our Filipino outfits. And I had bought a little bronc that I loved for my son at the time. And so we’re like, let’s just wear this a Dapper Day, because it’s coming up, I have major FOMO if I miss a day, every day, I’m like, “Oh my God, I wish I was there.”

Ariel Landrum 20:16
And you didn’t have a lot of time to get the pieces together. So this was part of like, looking at what you have, and just anything that might be missing versus starting from scratch.

Stefanie Bautista 20:24
Exactly. And it was a spring Dapper Day, so I knew it was gonna be hot. And we normally do the California Food and Wine Festival at California Adventure. So I knew it was gonna be walking around. And my shirt came with a just kind of like a silk wraparound skirt. And I was postpartum a little bit still. And I needed something that I could be comfortable in. So I wore that I think it were flats that year, too. And we went into the park, and oh my god, the amount of people are like, “Oh my God, we love your outfits. And we love your Barong Tagalog like, I can’t believe you have a small one for your son.” And even though it wasn’t like anything tied to Disney, or it wasn’t tied to, like an era, because this is something that you can modernly wear, like any sort of formal event either here in the Philippines, you caught the attention of Filipinos who worked at the park. Number one, they were like, “I don’t even think of that.” And also you caught the attention of other people who didn’t know what you were wearing, they asked questions about and they’re like, “Oh, you know, like, is this, like from your culture? Is this from a specific thing?” But really, like, I forgot how many Filipinos actually worked at the park? But that day I was holy reminded about, you know, the demographic of Garden Grove, Fountain Valley, and the surrounding areas of Anaheim. Because yes, there are a lot of us around here. I think the next year afterwards, I saw more people embracing their cultural heritage. For example, I saw this beautiful Vietnamese couple wearing the like a bright red, like just I don’t know the name of it. I’ll look it up in a little bit. But with the really large, beautiful hat, oh, my God, they look gorgeous. And so I think people are starting to lean towards their culture a little bit. And I’m glad that I kind of decided to do that. And it wasn’t even intentional. But I have been wearing that outfit again for more dapper days. And I think I would probably expand upon that maybe and try to Disneybound with it. So I encourage you guys to do that as well.

Ariel Landrum 22:26
And the most recent Dapper Day that we had the theme of was a Disneybound and it was going to be Star Wars and the only reason I did that was because Dapper Day has become more and more popular and you can follow the hashtags. I typed in Dapper Day in Amazon. I just typed that. And then there were all these individuals who were I guess you’d call them Amazon influencers? I’m not I’m not 100% sure, because they have their own little like influencer website on Amazon. But they all posted images of their outfits and what pieces they bought on Amazon to make those outfits and there was one that you can get in white or black. And I was trying to decide if it Star Wars do I want to be Princess Leia or do I want to be Vader? Like “What do I want to do with this?” This outfit had these long sleeves that emulated like a cape. And so that’s that’s why it could have been either or, and in talking with my partner who knew that he was going to be able to attend Dapper Day this year, we decided I’ll be Leia and he’ll be Han. Now I remember. I need to wear good footwear. But I also wanted something that might be like kinda fun and make the outfit edgy. And I was talking to Stef about it. And I was like, “I’ve been looking for white boots and for like three days straight.” I’m going to the mall looking for white boots because I thought you know, “Go go boots are back, I should be able to find them.” Could not find white boots. There were cream boots. There were boots that were white and black, but nothing that was just white boots.

Stefanie Bautista 23:50
And that set me on a mission, “Girl, I’m gonna find you these white boots.” And I think, um it was again a coincidence that I had seen this because I think me and my husband just got out of the theater ever had it been what we watched. We watched John Wick, which by the way, amazing movie and then we went downstairs and they had just opened up a Nordstrom Rack and I was like, “Oh yeah, Nordstrom Rack!” Like, I love me a Nordstrom Rack so I go inside. And then I think Ariel you had texted me like, “I still can’t find the boots!” And I was just like “Bitch I’mma find them!| Sorry, pardon my language, but I go in there and because everything is all new, they just had like, so much selection. So luckily, because Ariel is such a petite size. Not a lot of people get things in that size, which kind of works out because you are able to find really good quality things if you aren’t besides that normally more or regular people are I’m a size seven, seven and a half and my section is always sold out like it’s really irritating. So I go over there. And then I see the most perfect pair of white Doc Martens like they could not be more perfect for Princess Leia. They were edgy. They were not laced. So they were just pull ons and they were her size. I have a couple Doc Martens and the only caveat to having them is you got to break them in. So I’m like, “Okay, I’m gonna get these for you.” They were the perfect size like the heavens shown above me just opened up like pathway for her to do this Disneybound. And I’m like, “I’m gonna get them, but you kind of break them in some way somehow.”

Ariel Landrum 25:21
So we could never meet up to pick up these shoes from each other so I had to wear them day of. We met at the Dapper Day Expo the day before the official Dapper Day event. Dapper Day Expo is essentially three days and the actual Dapper Day at the park is Sunday. So when you’re going to dress up at the park, it’s Sunday, however, some people will dress up the whole weekend. So we met on Saturday at the Expo. Here I am being gifted these boots that I haven’t even tried them on. And so we’re in the middle of the floor of the Dapper Day Expo…

Stefanie Bautista 25:54
There’s litterally vendors going like around those. There’s link a beautiful like swing band, big band, everyone’s dancing…

Ariel Landrum 26:01
And so we’re sitting on the floor. And I cannot put these boots on for the life of me. And it took a lot of wiggling my feet around like these are my perfect size. I don’t understand maybe maybe I’m just a different size Doc Martens. Again, I’m on and they fit comfortably now that I’ve actually slipped my foot in, they fit comfortably.

Stefanie Bautista 26:20
Slip is a very like, general term, we kind of had to ganker in there to the point where I think one of the Dapper Day workers were like, “Do you want me to get you a chair?” She was so sweet. And then like me and your partner were just like trying to like hoist them into link your foot into there. It was quite a scene.

Ariel Landrum 26:38
It was. And then it was even worse of a scene to take them off. It got to the point where I was afraid we were gonna have to cut these off of my feet. I was pulling and tugging and twisting and another like vendor came by and they’re like, “Do you need some help? Do you want do you need…” Like the everyone was it was worried about me. They were they were concerned about these boots.

Stefanie Bautista 27:00
There were two categories of people one category that was concerned about your health and safety in these shoes. And the other was “Where did you get them? Did you buy them here?”

Ariel Landrum 27:10
Yes, I kept getting asked, I asked “Where did you get these boots,” as I’m trying to like take them off or put them on. The problem was I had just been at Disney all day. And I was wearing sandals I had no socks on and my feet were essentially a little bit more swollen from the fact that I’ve been walking around. So we went and looked around and bought socks. I put the socks on the boots fit beautifully. Once I had socks, I was like, “Okay, I’m gonna have to find a way to wear socks tomorrow with these boots.” I was gonna have hideaway socks is what I thought I was going to do. But even in trying to get them up my my leg I need tall socks, we bought some extra ones at the Dapper Day Exo to make it happen.

Stefanie Bautista 27:49
That were like probably a little bit more than I know you were comfortable with paying but at that point you were like, “Eff it,. I just need this to work!” Because we know the potential of what it was gonna look like and we knew it was going to be perfect. So in trying to attain that perfect look, we were willing to do anything. And like you know, buy, whatever it took for you to get into those boots. I don’t know why we thought it was a good idea for you to slip them on without socks. I always wear socks with mine.

Ariel Landrum 28:18
The excitement?

Stefanie Bautista 28:19
I think it was the excitement. I truly think you’re just so hype on these boots because A. found them B. I got them at a deal. Even when I wear them with dresses, I wear stockings, or I wear some sort of like leggings or something. So I don’t know why I thought that was gonna work without all of that. And especially after you were walking at the park all day.

Ariel Landrum 28:34
It was hilarious and humbling. The next day, I have the socks on I fold them a little bit. I wear the boots all day, I feel great, my feet, my legs, everything feels great. The boots are a little heavy. So that’s the only thing is I had to get used to the weight of them. But we were pretty much there till dark, I get home and I take the boots and socks off. And wow, I had so many cuts and blisters and bruises up and down my leg where different parts of the boot was pressing. And it was about two months before like all of those scabs had essentially fully healed. And so even though I didn’t repeat the wearing of the heels I still got very blistered up and that’s because these were brand new shoes. So lesson learned there I don’t know. Again I don’t know who I think I am but I thought that this was going to be possible I should have just come over in the middle of the night and had you leave the boots on the door and like me grab ’em.

It’s not like we live that far from me.

No, no.

Stefanie Bautista 28:37
I think if you wear them now they will be the most comfortable things ever you could dance or whatever have you in them and they will be true to you. So what I love about getting a piece like that for costume or a cosplay is you can wear it over and over again. So it’s not something that was just specific to your Princess Leia outfit you can wear them just as a fashion piece and I think if you are looking to maximize what you wear, because you know, you don’t want to just throw away an outfit. That’s one of those things where you find pieces that you can reuse over and over again.

Ariel Landrum 30:09
The outfit we got for my partner Han is basically you know, a vest and white shirt. I couldn’t find any pants with red stripes on them. So he just wore pants. And then he decided to tie a belt around that kind of was supposed to look like the holster and we were going back and forth on the different pieces he was starting to add to his outfit because it was getting more towards cosplay. That is the component of Dapper Day where there’s a fine line between you replicating an outfit and you trying to upgrade that outfit in dapper s stylish, fanciful, whatever you want to put it, where it’s a nod to that character. It isn’t an exact replica. And so I think it was a good thing that we didn’t end up finding pants with the red stripe or it would have started looking more like a costume. That being said, even though the we went to boot to and took a picture with literally the Millennium Falcon behind us, I don’t know how much more like evident it was. People saw me posing with my partner in a white dress and thought we had eloped. And so I consistently kept getting messages of “Married question mark?” “When did you get married Question mark?” “Such a beautiful wedding photo!”

Stefanie Bautista 31:23
This is news to me. I did not know this. I am dying.

Ariel Landrum 31:26
It was nonstop for like two or three days even from like his family where they’re like, “Oh, is this a wedding photo? Is this a sneak peek? Is this an engagement photo?”

Stefanie Bautista 31:38
I think it’s because it’s so on, brand for you to do something like that. And I think the universe just wants it for you?

Ariel Landrum 31:45
I guess. And like everyone saw a white dress with like a flowy cape.

Stefanie Bautista 31:52
They did not, “Oh, no Princess Leia at Dapper Day. She’s gotten married.”

Ariel Landrum 31:57
And a part of it was I saw this picture on Amazon if someone else who did a Dapper Day of Princess Leia where they were their hair down. And then they wore actual ears that they made with buns on them. So the buns were on the ears. And I was like, “Oh, that is so adorable. I’m gonna do that.”

Stefanie Bautista 32:13
Because really, it is hard to do just buns and you’ve done it before. And to make them last is like there’s a science to it.

Ariel Landrum 32:19
It was gonna fall I knew that it was going to fall. So I was like, I will do that. So I was even wearing Mickey ears. But I think what people saw was a bow and my hair down. And so if they didn’t understand that it was Dapper Day and that I was Disneybounding it had to mean that we had somehow eloped at Disneyland.

Stefanie Bautista 32:38
Which you know, that is okay. I subscribe to this.

Ariel Landrum 32:45
Add to cart.

Stefanie Bautista 32:47
Add to cart and hey if it ever happens, you already have a dress sis.

Ariel Landrum 32:51
Yo, I have watched those Disney weddings on the Disney+ that ish is expensive.

Stefanie Bautista 32:58
It is unattainable. That’s how you do it in times like this. And they just called eloping at Disneyland in the open without them knowing. We are talking about budgeting at Disneyland not just for Dapper Day outfits, but also for life events. So I think that’s really funny how people interpret just by what you were

Ariel Landrum 33:19
I was surprised I was genuinely truly surprised that that was the reaction. And maybe it was like because on Instagram you can put up the 10 photos. But the first one is usually what people see and people hadn’t swiped through and seen like all of us together hadn’t seen other people in they’re dapper.

Stefanie Bautista 33:35
And you looked gorgeous.

Ariel Landrum 33:36
Thank you. It was the boots the boots made it. I think when it comes to trying to find the appropriate outfit for you, you know whether you are going cultural, whether you’re picking a specific theme, whether you’re picking a specific character do this more often, you start to get used to how you want to conceptualize your outfit. I had taken a little bit of a risk with this outfit because it was shorter than I normally go I usually do a long dress and it was a little bit tighter than what I normally do. So I was wanting to step out into something different. And a part of it had to be again, that body piece that we talked about. I want my body’s changed a lot it’s gotten a lot bigger in various areas and I wanted to embrace that and not try and like hide it or shame it and it was fine. Like I don’t know what it was what worry I thought I would have in this dress. I didn’t think people think I was my marriage dress but it it really felt good to have people at the park recognize me as Leia people wanting to take pictures with me that were other Star Wars characters. There was a lot of Rays I saw and lots of Kylo Rens. Another way to be able to embrace the like the park experience and connect with your fellow Park attendees because people who don’t even know about Dapper Day they’re just like, “What is going on? Why is everybody’s like so dressed up and it’s fun to be able to like share that with them and hope that inspires them to join like the next year.

Stefanie Bautista 34:58
Yeah, and it’s not even an element of like, “Oh, I know about this and you don’t.” It’s more of like, “Hey, I will explain to you and I’m more than happy to share with you what this is, so that you can participate next time.” Because I think on the other side, there’s some people who, you know, aren’t a huge fan of the event just because it’s like, there’s an element of privilege because you knew about the event. And, you know, you were able to put this outfit together. But I think over the years, it hasn’t been like that, or, I remember in the early years, there was a little bit of that, but as its expanded to, you know, include Disneybounding, and including, you know, families and things like that. It’s an overall really positive experience for you know, dressing up without actually wearing a costume. I didn’t really have an outfit, but I had, you know, a dress that I was gonna wear for my baby shower that I didn’t. And it ended up having had like, really big, puffy sleeves, and I knew that that was in and it’s very, you know, Disneyland like, it was blue and I knew that my daughter had a really cute Alice outfit. Kids can get away with almost wearing the costume because you know, who’s gonna knock on a kid for like, dressing exactly like. It was an official Disney, you know, bought Alice in Wonderland outfit, so she wore that. And I wore my dress, which was a very similar blue, and I tried to kind of be like a bigger version of Alice, but because I didn’t have an apron, everyone thought it was Wendy. And I’m like, “Do you see Peter Pan around me anywhere?” Like, “I’m not Wendy me but okay.” But again, I wear that dress because it was comfortable. I felt confident in it. My body has changed after two kids. And so I just wanted to, I knew I was gonna be pushing a stroller around. It’s like it was to be carrying just the purse. My purse has expanded now to a large stroller with you know many intricate pieces. And, you know, knowing it was gonna be hot, I wanted something flowy. And yeah, it really worked out. I do love that you stepped out of your comfort zone, because I think the form fitting dress really complimented your curves. And also, yeah, I mean, it was great. It made me want to be like, “I should wear something like that.” And not something so large, because that’s kind of what, that’s what we default to most days. But it really worked out especially for your concept. So I encourage everybody, if it’s your first time, this is your second time, if you’ve had friends participate, like do what’s comfortable for you. And you know, I think don’t be so hard on yourself if you don’t find the right elements, because I don’t think this is an event that’s going to go away anytime soon. If anything, it’s going to just continue and grow because like I said, they have these Dapper Day events at LACMA. They have them at the Huntington Library in Pasadena. More and more events where it’s not just restricted to the vintage community, because this is going to be for another podcast, I’m sure but there are people who feel some sort of way about, you know, being in the vintage community. And that goes for, you know, other fandoms.They don’t feel necessarily as comfortable. And I think this is one of the ways that for me and Ariel as vintage enthusiast but not like really serious about it, to be able to participate in it in a way that’s comfortable for us.

Ariel Landrum 38:11
as inclusive for us as possible. Because like we mentioned, there’s no way that we would be able to fit any actual vintage outfits. Given our curvy size and even height. I think being shorter Filipino women as you start to do Dapper Day more, it is a lot more comfortable and more accepting and that you get more joy out of experimenting. That’s when you can take you know a few risks. Like I wasn’t gonna get snares. I wasn’t gonna get people looking at me sideways. The things that I feared that I would get when I thought that I wouldn’t make an outfit look, you know, right, so to speak. There is a layer of privilege if you are going into the park because you’re spending a lot of the day taking pictures. If you are making an outfit that isn’t going to last a ride, you might feel like you’ve wasted a day if you’re not an annual Park holder. So this could be a component where you go to The Expo. So maybe you’re not in the park but there are a lot of people who actually just spend their whole day in The Expo.

Stefanie Bautista 39:06
And I’ve done that before and it makes me feel like I’m participating without actually being in the park.

Ariel Landrum 39:11
Like you said they have a swing bands so you can dance. They have raffles you can get to know the vendors it means that you wouldn’t be buying a park ticket which may not be feasible but you could still participate in the event.

Stefanie Bautista 39:23
Over the years it’s grown so much where you know it’s a multi day event so you don’t necessarily have to go into the park to appreciate it. And then you can explore the hotel you can explore like the places to eat there. I know last time when we went we ate at Tangaroa terrace, which is right next to Trader Sam’s and it was it’s great like. You could also take beautiful pictures around the hotel floor that if you haven’t you know been able to the hotel grounds are open even though you are not a you know a guest to the hotel. I think that’s a really good way if you don’t have the capacity to get into the parks because we all know that the prices are going up. That’s a great way to just get introduced to it or attend one of the off site events. And you know, see how you like it there.

Ariel Landrum 40:06
So if you are going to be attending the fall Dapper Day that’s in November, let us know, tweet us or message us DM us on Instagram. And let us know if you’re gonna go, what you’re going to wear. And if you want to meet up and take some pictures together, our Twitter is @HappiestPodGT, and our Instagram is @HappiestPodGT.

Stefanie Bautista 40:30
And we do have a lot of really exciting things coming up this summer. So in addition to planning for our Dapper Day outfits, which I feel like that seems like a lifetime away right now, we will be attending other events. So I’ll be hopefully we will see you all there very soon.

Ariel Landrum 40:43
Including San Diego Comic-Con where we will be hosting three different panels. So come check those out. We will give you more information about that. So make sure that you follow us on Twitter and on Instagram.

Stefanie Bautista 40:55
As always, thank you so much for listening in and we will see you all next time.

Ariel Landrum 40:59
Bye!

Stefanie Bautista 40:59
Bye!

Media/Characters Mentioned
  • Princess Leia
  • Moana and Maui
  • Kylo Ren
  • Ray
  • Jasmine
  • Aladdin
  • Snow White
Topics/Themes Mentioned
  • Expectations
  • HAES (Healthy At Every Size)
  • Vintage
  • Retro
  • Fashion
  • Dapper Day
  • Disneybounding
  • Dapper Day Expo
  • Disneyland Hotel
  • Self Acceptance
  • Comfort Zone

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