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Feasting on Fandom: Disney Food Chronicles Part 1

March 26, 2024 · Discuss on the GT Forum

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37: Hosts Ariel and Stefanie embark on a journey through Disney’s culinary delights, from the treats at the Food and Wine Festival at California Adventure, unexpected finds at Disney Channel Nite, to the surprising food merchandise. They navigate the rising prices, sustainability efforts, and the art of indulging at Disney parks. This episode invites listeners to a broader conversation on food and fandom.

Summary

Summary of HPOE37

  1. Introduction (0:11): Stef and Ariel set the stage for a delicious discussion on Disney food, touching on its cultural and social impact.
  2. Disney’s Food and Wine Festival (2:03): They dive into the Food and Wine Festival at California Adventure, expressing surprise over the lack of avocado-themed dishes despite the event’s theme.
  3. Favorite Festival Foods (6:04): The hosts share their top picks and experiences from the festival, including standout dishes.
  4. Merchandise and Marketing (43:46): Discussion shifts to Disney’s strategic merchandising of food-themed products, highlighting the new “Disney Eats” monthly release strategy.
  5. Educational and Therapeutic Use of Food (32:13): They explore how food can be integrated into educational settings and therapy to foster learning, healing, and a deeper understanding of cultural identity.
  6. Closing Thoughts (45:49): The episode wraps up with details on an upcoming panel discussion at WonderCon and an invitation for listeners to share their favorite Disney foods and food fandoms.
Transcription

00:11 – 00:17
Hello, everyone. Welcome to the Happiest Pod On Earth. I’m Stef. I’m an educator who uses passions and fandoms to help my

00:17 – 00:20
students grow and learn about themselves and the world around them.

00:20 – 00:27
And I’m Ariel, a licensed therapist who uses clients’ passions and fandoms to help them grow and heal from trauma and mental illness.

00:27 – 00:31
Here at Happiest Pod, we dissect Disney mediums with a critical lens.

00:31 – 00:37
Why? Because we’re more than just Stefanie, and we expect more from the mediums we consume. Speaking of consuming, what are

00:37 – 00:38
we discussing today, Steph?

00:38 – 00:46
What a perfect word to describe what we are talking about today. We are talking about food, specifically Disney food, obviously.

00:46 – 00:52
But I feel like this is a long time coming. We have not touched upon this. Despite the fact that we’ve done multiple panels

00:52 – 01:02
at Comic Con about food and its impact culturally, socially, mentally, physically, I mean, everything. Food is life. Right?

01:02 – 01:03
That’s the saying. Yes.

01:03 – 01:10
And then we did a presentation at Geek Therapy’s tags on using food in the classroom and using food in the therapy and talking

01:10 – 01:18
about ways to address individuals who might have various forms of eating disorders or individuals who want to embrace the

01:18 – 01:19
culture of their food, but they don’t know how.

01:19 – 01:27
Mhmm. Food itself has many different dimensions. I mean, people love it. They make livings around it. We love to consume it.

01:27 – 01:35
It brings people together. I mean, as you said, I talked about how food in the classroom and food when it comes to translating

01:35 – 01:41
what it means for kids is so important as they grow and develop, and their relationship with food too. So I think it is fitting

01:41 – 01:47
as we are coming into the spring season now here in California, and specifically

01:54 – 02:03
in in as, like, something to drive people to get to the parks, which has definitely worked on me. Yes. Okay. So starting with

02:03 – 02:10
the park specifically, right now we are during the middle or just starting food and wine festival, which I don’t think we’ve

02:10 – 02:12
talked about on the show before. Correct?

02:12 – 02:19
No. We haven’t. We’ve done many different events that are very similar to Food and Wine, but correct me if I’m wrong, everyone

02:19 – 02:26
out there, and, you know, my to my cohost as well. I feel like food and wine festival was kind of like the genesis of people

02:26 – 02:33
coming to the park specifically to have specialty foods, specialty wine and beverage, especially since California Adventure

02:33 – 02:40
in itself. I think going with the theme of California and how we are, what, the largest in the United States of America, and

02:40 – 02:46
that we have such a large culinary scene. We have many celebrity chefs who live out here and make a living out here. They

02:46 – 02:52
really wanted to capitalize that with the California theme. So, you know, you see there’s a winery in the middle of the park.

02:52 – 03:00
You can drink alcohol in the park. There’s specialty restaurants like the Trattoria, which is Italian inspired. You have different

03:00 – 03:05
areas of the park where you can get different sorts of regional foods that you wouldn’t otherwise find at Disneyland.

03:05 – 03:14
And this year’s theme is it’s avocado time, avocado shaped like clock. Interestingly, though, there are not many avocado items

03:14 – 03:21
or that that’s not the main ingredient in most of the dishes, at least what we saw on the menu and what we tried. I don’t

03:21 – 03:27
remember, like, avocado being so featured, and yet that is the theme and that is the merchandise. Which yeah.

03:27 – 03:32
I think this is the first time they had a hard theme for Food and Wine Festival. Normally, it’s just, here, come try regional

03:32 – 03:37
foods. It’s happening. And for all of you who don’t know about the Food food and wine festival, basically, every single year,

03:37 – 03:44
they line the main veranda, the main street of California Adventure Park. They line them up with these little booths that

03:44 – 03:50
you can purchase small kind of tapas like items, very small. You can share them if you want. But, yeah, the food and wine

03:50 – 03:57
festival gets you certain dishes that you can use the little tabs to redeem. It does exclude alcohol, and it does exclude

03:58 – 04:04
some other dishes that you would have to go to the restaurant to get. So it’s not just the little booths that have themed

04:04 – 04:11
items, but also the restaurants that already serve things like in San Fransokyo or the plaza in the back, the garden plaza,

04:11 – 04:16
I think, but not necessarily with the little sip and saver pests. A lot of rules.

04:16 – 04:33
Yeah. Which I think is a a little the marketing, is I feel like this year, it’s expanded even more in more tiny booths. I

04:33 – 04:39
think last year, I don’t remember as many booths. You can correct me if I’m wrong, but I just feel like it it’s grown in the

04:39 – 04:46
amount of options. It’s that you don’t have to go up to the booth to order your, like, each individual item. You can just

04:46 – 04:52
find 1 booth, order them all there, take your tickets, and go retrieve them, which is such a time saver. Because when I first

04:52 – 04:57
did food and wine fast with you, I remember waiting in each line to try and get our food.

04:57 – 05:03
Yeah. Like, you would basically be hungry by the time you got to the next thing. And you would keep just getting hungry and

05:03 – 05:10
then being satiated and then hungry again. But that comes with a disclaimer too because as I learned during lunar new year,

05:10 – 05:18
you can only get certain things pre ordered. And some things are excluded from that, which I unfortunately had not the best

05:18 – 05:23
interaction with a cast member when it came to that. I think because it was so busy, this was during lunar new year, and I

05:23 – 05:30
did not know the rules. And the little booklet that they give you kind of explains it, but I think they did a better job explaining

05:30 – 05:35
it this time for food and wine festival. But, yeah, you have to look for the little there’s like an icon that says where you

05:35 – 05:42
can pre order things. And if that item doesn’t have an icon, you’re most likely gonna have to stand in line. But I think it

05:42 – 05:51
is a, a step forward in trying to save people money and time. Because not only are you foregoing writing things and foregoing

05:52 – 05:59
other experiences to do this, but you are also, you know, if you have a park hopper, this is like the majority of your time

05:59 – 06:04
just trying to figure out what you’re gonna eat and where you’re gonna eat it at. Mhmm.

06:04 – 06:11
So in the Food and Wine Fest, maybe, like, in the past now, what comes up to your mind as, like, the top eats that you’ve

06:11 – 06:14
had or maybe, like, the different kiosks or booths that you prefer to

06:16 – 06:22
stop at? So I think they have organized it, like, consistently over the years. I always know there’s a spicy booth, which

06:22 – 06:29
I avoid at all costs. I know that there is one that’s dedicated to like a beer flight and a wine flight, which back then I’d

06:29 – 06:36
be like, let’s get it all. But now I’m like, okay, I’m gonna choose between the 2. But there’s also one that always has, like,

06:36 – 06:43
the most savory dishes. I think before they’ve had, like, Filipino pork belly over garlic rice. That’s one of my favorites.

06:43 – 06:50
Only because I was so surprised that they were doing cultural foods in addition to just, you know, California cuisine, which

06:50 – 06:57
I can never define myself being from California. They always California cuisine. Okay. But that’s one of my favorites. I know

06:57 – 07:04
they’ve also had a, I’ve also had, like, a burrito. I think it’s also pork belly. Clearly eat a lot of pork. My favorite dishes

07:04 – 07:10
are the ones that you get the most bang for your buck, which comes with, you know, like, a good protein and, like, a good

07:10 – 07:12
side. How about you?

07:13 – 07:18
I always like anything with the mac and cheese. I’ve so far, I’ve never not enjoyed a mac and cheese. Well, that’s what we

07:18 – 07:25
tried in this most recent Food and Wine Fest. And then, usually, the desserts are good, but there’s always, like, a cream

07:25 – 07:32
type dessert. There’s always a, I would say, like, a cookie type dessert. I remember, like, the macaroons being, like, the

07:32 – 07:38
things that I enjoy the most, and they’re huge. They’re always huge Mickey shaped macaroons. However, I think we tried a dessert

07:38 – 07:46
this year that was just sub par. So when we go back for dapper day, we’re gonna have to reclaim the dessert section, go through

07:46 – 07:51
it. I think there was like a passion fruit one that someone said that they liked, so we might try that, I think, this year.

07:51 – 07:58
Yeah. Definitely. And if you would like to know what that was, if you are going to Food and Wine Festival, we did try the

07:58 – 08:07
lemon olive oil cake. It was lemony. It wasn’t very olive oily. It was kinda dry, to be honest. And it pales in comparisons

08:07 – 08:09
to all the other Disney desserts that we’ve had. And I think that’s

08:10 – 08:15
Can you explain, like, what an olive oil cake is? Because I don’t know if some people might know what that is. They might

08:15 – 08:17
think olive oil only with cooking.

08:17 – 08:23
Right. Yeah. So olive oil cake is something specifically in Italian cooking because they use olive oil so much in their baking

08:23 – 08:30
and cooking that they add olive oil to a traditional cake mix to make it more moist. So if you imagine, like, the most moist

08:30 – 08:36
cake you’ve ever had. Even the like, if it’s like a birthday cake or even, you know, like a small layered cake. Imagine that,

08:36 – 08:44
but more savory because it has the olive oil in it. So I’ve had olive oil cake in Italian re delectable, and every bite is

08:44 – 08:52
just it’s full. It’s like very rich. And normally, I see it in chocolate cakes. I’ve never really had an olive oil cake that

08:52 – 08:58
wasn’t chocolate. I’ve seen them, but I’ve haven’t had them personally. But it brings out so many more notes of the chocolate

08:58 – 09:03
because chocolate is so multidimensional. But, yeah, I thought that I was gonna get the same experience with this lemon olive

09:03 – 09:11
oil cake, and I was thirsty after the first bite. I’m like, what is going on? It was cute, though. It was cute.

09:11 – 09:18
It was very photogenic, very worthy. And I think that was I think, like, back to other food and wine fests that we’ve had

09:18 – 09:24
or other events at the park that had food featured in them, there’s always, like, a hit or a miss. Right? And I remember the

09:24 – 09:28
last food and wine fest, a bread thing that had hot dogs in it was not it.

09:28 – 09:32
I was thinking I wanna say it was the Chinese sausage one, but I’m not sure.

09:32 – 09:39
Yes. Yes. That was it. That was it. It was okay. Yeah. I just I remember not liking that. And then it’s new in the park now,

09:39 – 09:46
but we tried it at Disney Channel night. It was the Mickey shaped pretzel pepperoni thing. I don’t know if the pepperoni pretzel.

09:46 – 10:02
It’s cute. It’s not it didn’t taste, like, amazing or wonderful. I I I you’re supposed for me. But on Disney Channel night,

10:02 – 10:07
we definitely tried unreal, really good item. That was a surprise that we didn’t even expect.

10:07 – 10:14
Delicious things I’ve ever had in my history of going to Disneyland. So much so that I am determined now to make it myself.

10:14 – 10:19
So I know we’re gonna talk about Disney Channel night on another episode, but I do have to mention this because it was just

10:19 – 10:21
it blew us all away.

10:21 – 10:21
Yes.

10:21 – 10:28
So everything that night had a nineties theme to it. So like Ariel said, the pepperoni pizza kind of like eating pizza bagels

10:28 – 10:31
after school. Yeah. That’s what I likened it to. Yeah.

10:31 – 10:37
And they had a cosmic brownie, you know, adult cosmic brownie, which does not mean there’s cannabis in

10:38 – 10:45
it. It’s not what made it a little. I think it is, because okay. So that’s really funny that you mentioned that. Because Cosmic

10:45 – 10:51
Brownie is a little Debbie Brownie and but because it was Disney Channel night and everything’s basically like late nineties

10:51 – 10:58
early 2 the y two k thing. So no. It did not have fun stuff in it and I don’t think Disney’s ever gonna do that for us. But

10:58 – 11:04
No. They had that. They had a version of TV dinners. Things that you would basically watch if you were watching Disney Channel

11:04 – 11:08
after school. Yeah. Things you would eat. They yeah. Things you would eat. And then they would theme some of them after some

11:08 – 11:16
of the movies. And because not every movie was represented, either with like a backdrop or with, you know, an, like an experience,

11:17 – 11:24
they made some of the food themes. So what we had was the Johnny Tsunami hot dog. And basically, what it was, was it was Hawaiian

11:24 – 11:32
rolls as the bread. It was Portuguese sausage, which is very popular and very common to find in Hawaii. And it also had chopped

11:32 – 11:40
up macaroni salad, which is a very Hawaiian thing, and chopped up pineapples. And I’m gonna refrain from any but it was so

11:40 – 11:43
delicious. I think we all looked at each other like, what? What?

11:43 – 11:49
We were shocked. And it was not something that we were thinking of getting originally because all the top items were at the

11:49 – 11:55
Hungry Hungry Bear, restaurant, and everyone was ordering on the app. That was pretty much the only way you were gonna get

11:55 – 12:02
your food. And so I wanted to try and find something, and I saw that the refreshments cafe had the Johnny tsunami sandwich,

12:02 – 12:09
and I was like, that sounds cool. So it wasn’t even on our list and it of, like, high items to get. It on the when I was looking

12:09 – 12:14
at the map that we were given, it wasn’t pictured. There were, like, food items they were highlighting. It wasn’t one that

12:14 – 12:19
they were highlighting. But I was just like, okay. This will be for us to all have something different when we sit down and

12:19 – 12:23
eat. And I’m so glad we got it because it was the best thing.

12:23 – 12:30
It was the best thing. And, I mean, we were just hungry at this point because we had been lighting up for all sorts of, like,

12:30 – 12:36
photo ops and nonsense. It was already, like, getting into the night, and we were there watching Perry the Platypus just,

12:36 – 12:41
like, rile up this crowd, and we’re just like we need to eat. And we’re all just on our apps, the 4 of us, and we’re just

12:41 – 12:48
like what can we order like right now? And then so Ariel split up and went over to the refreshment corner. We got stuff from the Tomorrowland Terrace.

12:48 – 12:49
Galactic Grill?

12:49 – 12:54
And Galactic Grill. Yep. Yep. Yep. And, yeah, like, when we all put all of our food together, that was literally, like, I

12:54 – 12:57
could have fought somebody for that. Yes.

12:57 – 13:00
Yes. That’s so good. Totally. Be a staple.

13:00 – 13:07
Absolutely. And Johnny Tsunami is one of my favorite Disney Channel movies of all time and underrated, obviously, but they

13:07 – 13:11
really redeemed it at Disney Channel night with this hot dog. It was so good.

13:11 – 13:18
Well, and speaking of, like, the park foods, what I mean, there are popular snacks that people go to get regularly. So when

13:18 – 13:22
you go to Disneyland, what do you immediately think I have to eat?

13:22 – 13:30
I mean, I have to have a corn dog. And now I know that you and I get corn dogs at different places. We do. We do. So, Ariel,

13:30 – 13:33
where do you get your corn dogs? Because I know you’re a corn dog fan.

13:33 – 13:41
Oh, I get it at the stage door. Yes. Yes. Yes. I get it at the stage door, and I don’t sit in I used to sit inside and watch

13:41 – 13:47
the show. Now I’m just, like, at their mobile pickup area, and I’m grabbing it and going. I and I honestly thought that was

13:47 – 13:50
the only place that you could get a corn dog and then I talked to you.

13:50 – 13:56
So I get mine from the little red cart before it was called the little red cart. It was just literally the corn dog cart because

13:56 – 14:03
they have the best breading and it’s always fresh, but there’s always a line. Now there used to not be a line back when I

14:03 – 14:10
would get it as a kid. But, yeah, it’s literally they only have corn dogs. And I also get the fried chicken right behind it.

14:10 – 14:17
Because that fried chicken is so good, and it’s like the best meal for, like, when you’re probably more than halfway through

14:17 – 14:25
your day at the park, and you just need the most hearty thing. And you get 2 pieces of fried chicken with a side of veggies,

14:25 – 14:32
mashed potatoes. And it is so good for families because you can share. And in the morning, I think is a buffet, but later

14:32 – 14:39
on you can walk up cafeteria style. And those are like my two favorite things to eat at the park for like the morning and

14:39 – 14:46
the afternoon time. But the clam chowder is also one of my staples. I have to get clam chowder if I can hack it. Even if it’s

14:46 – 14:53
a hot day. I’ll wait until, like, midnight to right before they close to get clam chowder over at the Royal Street Veranda

14:53 – 14:55
right next to Pirates of the Caribbean.

14:56 – 15:04
Okay. I’m less meal oriented and more, like, snack oriented, so I always get a mint julep and beignets. And I’ll try the seasonal

15:04 – 15:12
ones, but I really always just like a regular beignet and a mint julep. And always pop corn. Sometimes sometimes I’m buying

15:12 – 15:18
the popcorn buckets. Right? And that’s an extension of, like, food fandom is buying, like, themed popcorn buckets, but I’m

15:18 – 15:25
pretty much always eating a popcorn. Used to always eat a churro. Now I really like more of the salty flavor. And if I get

15:25 – 15:27
a churro, it’s because someone’s splitting with me. Mhmm.

15:27 – 15:36
Yeah. I have a good friend. He is the churro connoisseur. Every time he goes to Disneyland, I think we had to it was either

15:36 – 15:42
a challenge that that he was gonna eat, like, all the churros, but I think it was at the time where they were raising churro

15:42 – 15:45
prices. Because once upon a time, churros used to only be 3.75.

15:46 – 15:47
And now it’s what?

15:47 – 15:55
Up to $7 now, I think. Is that right? Mhmm. Mhmm. That is wild to me. And I think because now they have themed churros. Right?

15:55 – 16:02
Well and I I think with the corn dog and the churros, something that you have shared with me is that your sister-in-law talks

16:02 – 16:08
about sustainability at the parks. And so if you are somebody who doesn’t want to have, like, high waste, that would those

16:08 – 16:14
would be good items to get because the corn dog is just on a stick and the churro is just in a little flimsy paper. Right?

16:14 – 16:21
Yeah. Definitely. And they’re portable, so you’re really, like, consuming these things as you’re waiting in line for a ride

16:21 – 16:28
or if you’re waiting for the parade, or, you know, some sort of attraction that requires you just standing around, it’s very

16:28 – 16:35
convenient. So I think Stefanie with managing expectations, as we’ve talked about before, you really wanna put that in the

16:35 – 16:41
forefront of your mind before you figure out your food route. I would just reserve days to just eat and not do anything else.

16:41 – 16:48
I would just have Disney food days, where, like, we would go over to Trader Sam’s over at the Disneyland Hotel, and we would

16:48 – 16:57
get a reservation there. And Trader Sam’s is a really cool tiki bar that’s interactive and you can get not just, you know,

16:57 – 17:05
very good alcoholic drinks, but they do have a lot of Polynesian food that you can get only there and not at the park. So

17:05 – 17:10
I would go over there, and then we would just go up and down main street and just try food. But I know if you are just going

17:10 – 17:16
for like a 3 day trip or maybe just a one day trip, it’s really hard to do all of that stuff. You really have to be mindful

17:16 – 17:18
of where you’re going.

17:18 – 17:24
And I think that portability you talked about is important because it also depends on the type of theme park attendee you

17:24 – 17:31
are. If you are not an annual pass holder and this is about the only time you’re gonna make it to the park or if you are flying

17:31 – 17:38
in, you may not want to do a reservation. It might be good if you wanna take a break, but if you’re trying to get on as many

17:38 – 17:44
rides as you can, you might want to bring your own snacks or get some of the snacks that you can walk around with, or split

17:44 – 17:50
up your party depending on how big it is and have some sit down and have some wait in line and do a switch.

17:50 – 17:56
Yeah. And I do like how you mentioned that because, yes, the food prices have changed drastically in the past couple years.

17:56 – 18:04
So if you are on a budget, which I have been, I remember going to Disneyland with just $20 to spend, grabbing snacks and,

18:04 – 18:12
you know, packing your own meal. That’s totally doable. I’ve seen many people on social media even bring their own rice to

18:12 – 18:19
a company with their food because some food just tastes better with rice and even condiments, their own tortillas, fried chick

18:19 – 18:25
yeah. All of that stuff. I think, you know, Disney is not a big stickler for bringing in snacks, obviously, because there

18:25 – 18:31
are lots of kids that go to the park and, you know, they would like specific snacks that you might not find. And also milk

18:31 – 18:37
and juice is very expensive at the park. So I always bring my own for my kids and, you know, little things for them to snack

18:37 – 18:43
on while they’re waiting for a ride or a parade or something. You know, really being mindful of how much you wanna spend at

18:43 – 18:51
the park, knowing that a churro is 6 to $7 now. If you’re getting a meal and you are spending at least $20 for yourself for

18:51 – 19:00
a meal. And if you are so lucky to get a dinner reservation at the Blue Bayou or, you know, somewhere really fancy like Carthay

19:00 – 19:07
Circle, you would need to factor that into your culinary day. Not to say that none of it is worth it because it’s all worth

19:07 – 19:12
it. But, you know, just just so that you know what you’re getting into is the biggest thing.

19:12 – 19:19
Yeah. I I think when it comes to specifically planning the parks and making sure that you have both the time, but also the

19:19 – 19:26
energy. One of the things that was is always surprising to me is how much I can eat when I’m at Disneyland compared to at

19:26 – 19:32
home. Because of all the walking I’m doing, I need to sort of make sure that I’m always putting something in my system to

19:32 – 19:38
be able to have the energy to do all of the park things. The thing is if you go on the app and you look at the reservations,

19:38 – 19:46
it will list vegetarian or vegan options. It will list allergy friendly options, but it’ll also list the, restaurants that

19:46 – 19:53
have cross contamination. So if your allergy is very severe, that’s another reason why people will also bring in their own

19:53 – 19:59
food to ensure safety, and why Disney isn’t going to say, like, no to other people bringing in their own snacks and food.

19:59 – 20:05
So you could pretty much bring your own. I know that Steph, you have brought, like, a cooler and put it into with ice in it

20:05 – 20:12
and put it into the lockers before, keep, like, licking drinks cold, and then had, like, a designated time to go and grab

20:12 – 20:13
the food and picnic.

20:13 – 20:20
Yeah. Way back when I was younger. Obviously, Disneyland was cheaper. But, you know, as, you know, my mom was very frugal,

20:20 – 20:26
she would pack us lunch and we would keep it in a locker. And right next to Disneyland entrance and the lockers is a picnic

20:26 – 20:33
area. And we would bring like, you know, any sorts of food. I remember one time we brought even El Pollo Loco to the parks.

20:33 – 20:38
And, we would take it out and then we would eat it for lunch so that we didn’t have to buy food there at the park and then

20:38 – 20:44
we would just reenter. I was no stranger to that other when I was younger. I still see people do it now, especially if they’re

20:44 – 20:50
going on like a school group or, you know, like a like a small organization where, like, the kids are going for, like, a certain

20:50 – 20:55
thing. Girl scouts, boy scouts, I’ve seen them all use that picnic area. And, you know, you don’t need to reserve it. It’s

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just kinda like a park, like an actual park. And you you could just chill there and then eat and then just put your stuff

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right back in the locker. And they won’t ask you for, you know, any sort of time limit or anything like that. They still have

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it to this day, which is really cool.

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Yeah. So we’ve talked about food in the park. It’s bringing your own and then special foods. We’ve talked about food events

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in the park. And as we mentioned that food is more than, like, fandom wise, more than just the food. There’s also the food

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that is themed and food that we wanna try that is in our favorite shows and movies. Mhmm. So I’m curious for you. In the parks,

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when there are themed foods based off of stuff, like, what comes to your mind when you think of that? Because I think of,

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like, going into the the the pizza place in

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What is it called? It

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called? Yeah. Pizza Planet. Yeah. I think of Pizza Planet when I think of, like, a food that was from a movie or show that

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now I might have access to or the shawarma cart in Avengers. In Avengers campus over at California Adventure. Like, those

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are are, like, places that now I’m getting to actually visit.

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Mhmm. I immediately think of the blue bantha milk. That’s the first thing that comes to mind. Because, I mean, when they made

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Galaxy’s Edge, it was so immersive and that was so different from everything. Because when I went to, you know, my idea of

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going to Disneyland is going to different regions of the world. So if I were in New Orleans Square, I knew I was gonna get

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like gumbo or jambalaya or something beignets that I don’t normally get here in LA. Or even if I went to like adventure land,

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I’ll get like, you know, Dole whip because I don’t normally have Dole whip back home. So when blue bantha milk came up at

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Galaxy’s Edge, I was like, this is like a Star Wars food that is now in my hand. Like, that’s wild. Like, it’s crazy to me.

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And I was like, what is it even made of? Do I even care at this point? I don’t care. It’s golden. It tastes delicious. I Tastes

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like a Jolly Rancher. Looks like. It tastes like a Jolly Rancher. And I love that it has, like, almond milk options. Like,

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it’s nondairy. And it’s super refreshing because I remember it being so hot when Galaxy’s Edge opened that I was constantly

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just, like, thirsty and sweaty. But, yeah, I think they did a really great job with not just the Bantha milk at Galaxy’s Edge,

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but also the ronto wraps there, because it really takes you out out of you know, this is regular food that we find here, obviously,

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because I can make it in a kitchen and the world that we live in. But I can think I’m eating something else, and I don’t attune

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it to a specific culture. This is purely fantastical, and I thought that was really cool. Yes.

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Yeah. I think fantastical for me would also spoon. It was hilarious. And, again, even though it was real food, it was the

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thought that it might have been, like, expanded or shrunk down.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I have a little bone to pick with that tiny, tiny egg. Being so hungry in the morning, I’m like, I want

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breakfast. And of course, you’re going for the novelty of it. Right? But like when I got this quarter size of an egg, I’m

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pretty sure it’s a quail egg because there is no way that you got that from a chicken. I was like, what is this? What how

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much did I pay for this? But then you see the gigantic pretzel and how it’s like hanging off of like a hook and it’s like

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the size of my torso. And you’re like, alright. This is worth

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it. Yeah.

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Yeah. There’s a lot of pretzels.

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And the ridiculously large chicken patty. That was my best.

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I think yeah. It’s as big as your head. I’m pretty sure whatever chicken that came from was like the largest chicken in the

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country. But, yeah, you’re right. PIMS test get I think they got really creative with that. And, I mean, the novelty of it,

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it just it stuck because it was so cool. I know that there’s the Pizza Planet’s really good too, but I wish they had an arcade

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in there because Pizza Planet in my mind was like a Chuck E. Cheese almost or, you know, an amusement center. So I think if

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they had that, that would definitely, like, create the whole entire scenario for myself.

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I still and maybe this is over in Paris Disney, but I wish that they had a Remy’s kitchen of some kind for, like, French cuisine

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from rats at doing in in our park.

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No. They do in Paris.

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I think of Disney and food, that’s that Tiana and Remy are what come up in my mind as, like, the movies for Disney and food. Yes.

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I have had the privilege to go to land Paris and yes, they do have a restaurant that you have to reserve for. It’s at the

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end of the Ratatouille ride. But I haven’t been, but I will try to go this time when I go to Disney World. But now that they

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have the ratatouille ride in the Paris part of Epcot, I know that they have food as well right next to it because they’ve

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always had Parisian food there, and I’ve had it there. But I just don’t know if they do Tatooi or, like, something from the

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movie. But I will find out, and I will report back to you. Yes. But, yes, Tiana’s Kitchen. Okay. I’m gonna get a little I’m

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gonna get a little critical now because

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Oh, well, we did say we examined with a critical lens.

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Yes. I was so excited for Tiana’s kitchen. I mean, it just made sense to make that area in front of haunted mansion into her

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place. And now that they’re doing Tiana’s Bayou ride, which is formally Splash Mountain, I was so excited for the food. However,

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I took a trip to New Orleans earlier

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at the

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end of last year.

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A bad move.

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Bad move. But I’ve always wanted to visit New Orleans, and it is a beautiful city. If you ever get to go, oh my gosh. It is

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full of culture, full of life. The food is out of this world. Just everything that you imagine that you saw while you were

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watching princess and the frog, that’s literally what it comes with with the music and the spices and just their use of seafood

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and everything. It was so good. And then I tried Tiana’s kitchen. And man, I was like, this is not as good as what I wanted

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it to be. I know that Disney tries its best to represent regional food and they’ve done that very successfully. In many ways,

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we just mentioned the Polynesian Johnny tsunami dog, which hit it out of the park. But I think to pay homage to New Orleans,

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which is such a huge culinary city, I think they definitely need to step it up a little bit. I get it. There’s demand out

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there. It’s always busy. You can only churn out so many beignets and so much gumbo and so much shrimp and grits at once. But

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Yeah. Because they’ve done such a good job at California Food and Wine Festival, I definitely think that they can do a little

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bit more improvement because my shrimp and grits were okay. I ate it, but it was lacking seasoning. It was lacking depth.

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It was, you you know, the portion was good. But I think the one thing that I the only thing that I liked was probably the

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vegetable gumbo because kinda can’t go wrong with that. And I know, Ariel, you had this was the lemon icebox beignet, which

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ended up being kinda sloppy and wet by the end of it because of all of the, you know, icing. But I know you had it. So Yes.

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What was your opinion on it?

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It tasted good, but you would have to eat it right away. I would say that’s something that you should order second, like,

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go back and get it versus ordering it with your meal unless your meal is that dessert or you eat fast. A beignet is just as

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good as warm as it can be. Like, that that’s pretty much it. And then when you have a liquid, like, if it’s stuffed with something

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or has a cream of some kind, that’s going to detract from, like, the fried part of the beignet. I would say Tiana’s place

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is where you want to go if you want to meet a princess and you cannot wait in line. So it’s a great for accommodations, especially

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if you’re, like, a wheelchair user or if you are a walker user. That’s gonna be a place where you can sit down because Tiana

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comes to your table, and she comes to every table. She will talk to you. She will take pictures with you. And if she asks

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you about the food, she’ll joke with you. Like, that’s the immersive part of that environment. The food and I have seen, some

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cast members who are, who work in the kitchens, who are chefs or sous chefs or, cooks in the kitchen, and they have said that

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they cannot make the buy spicy simply because they get so many complaints about it. So if you’re looking for, like, authentic

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Creole New Orleans cuisine, don’t go to Disneyland. Like, that’s the fantasy. If you are looking for just something that will

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satiate you, that tastes fine, it’s not bad, and you can meet a Disney princess without having to leave your seat, that’s

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what you’re gonna wanna do with Tiana’s place. And and you talked about, like, the spicy cart over. I think the other thing

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what, people have said online is because more people, if they have to choose to visit a park, will choose Disneyland only,

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that they cater to a general audience. Whereas the California Adventure does have the opportunity to cater really towards

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California natives and people in the West Coast, which means that their food gets to be more expansive. And when you have

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when you have an event of some kind, like you said, it’s limited in how much they’re gonna make. Whereas a kitchen that is

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going to stay has to keep churning out the same thing, and it has to taste the same every single time. So Absolutely. It’s

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a worthwhile criticism. If you’ve never been to New Orleans, you’re not gonna know the difference. If you have been to New

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Orleans, you’re gonna know the difference.

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Right. You are definitely right. I think the experience of meeting Tiana there, unfortunately, started coming down and like

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many normally when rain happens, many of the characters, many of those experiences just go away. And so we really wanted to

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try it because last time when we were to try it, which is funny enough before I went to New Orleans, I missed the closing

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of the restaurant because it was still new. And it closed at 8, and we had gotten over there at, like, 9. And I’m like, oh,

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dang. It’s closed now. So, I mean, that would have definitely been a different experience. But at the same time, I think that

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you’re right. Disneyland catering to a general audience is what they’re there for, because they are the ones this is the original.

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There’s only so much that Disneyland can do, which is why they have specialty places like California Adventure or mainly even

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EPCOT. I know that I’ve had such great regional food over at EPCOT at Disney World because they have chefs from that specific

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country. They have people who work there from that specific country that are on, like, a Disney college program or, you know,

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through Disney so that they can share their culture with the world. So there are different ways that Disney is trying to represent

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different countries in very respectable ways. But I think Stefanie this would probably be a gateway into, let me see what

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creole food is actually like. But I think that little voice in the back of my head knowing that Tiana was a chef and that

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she was very proud of her food and the whole movie was her trying to achieve her dreams of making that restaurant. If I knew

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Tiana, maybe she wouldn’t have approved some of these dishes.

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Yes. Yeah. I think if we’re talking about bringing the movie to life, that was not it, and that’s that’s fair.

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The outside is gorgeous, though. The outside is absolutely gorgeous, especially at night. It’s so pretty.

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Yes. We can agree on that. And there’s room for improvement. Right? It’s still technically new.

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Absolutely. Yes.

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That’s I think that’s gonna be the saving graces. We’ll probably see the food evolve and get hopefully better. And I I do

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think you also highlight, like, even though the foods at the parks are expensive, even if you go to, you know, Epcot in Walt

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Disney World, like, you may not have the money to travel to another country. This may be the only time you get to experience

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other cultures. So even if it isn’t quote unquote authentic, which really hard to be if you’re not if you don’t even have

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access to the food that your region would

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have. Absolutely.

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For the most part, this is a great way to introduce, like, students, to introduce people to different cultures and different

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cultural cuisines and talk about, you know, acceptance and diversity. I know that we’ve talked about this on the panel. Can

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you share, like, your experience in the classroom and with students when it comes to diverse foods or trying to celebrate

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different cultures and through their cuisine? Cuisine.

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Yeah. Definitely. I know that whenever you introduce food that is not school lunch into your classroom And really, like for

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the campus, it’s always a special occasion. I’m so lucky that I work for a school that highlights diversity, inclusion, and

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just, embracing the different cultures that make up Los Angeles. And I did want to note that too, because California is such

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a great place to its populations of cultures that have enclaves that have been here for decades, 100 of years, that, you know,

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we can get authentic Oaxacan food just down the street. So I always tell my students that, you know, food is a part of not

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just everyday life, but a part of your identity. So whenever we have cultural events, we normally have festivals that highlight

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Asian American foods, traditionally black foods. We do a good job, I think, in making that effort. So, yeah, I think that

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introducing students to that is really important. And any sort of way that I can do that, whether it be making guacamole in

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the classroom or trying out different types of bread, incorporating that into, like, a history or social science lesson, because

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food is just a part of history. And if we’re, you know, if we’re losing some of those history lessons, at least we get to

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do it in the everyday things that we eat. So, yeah, I mean, I’m pretty thankful that I get to do that. I know not other schools,

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some of them don’t get to do that. But, I mean, for you and your practice, do you ever get to talk about what food means to

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them and the relationship that people have with food in regards to their mental health?

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Yes. So, I know that a lot of my clients have experienced, like, grief and loss. And one of the ways that they will reconnect

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with the individual that has passed is they will make favorite dishes that either were significant to that person or significant

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to, like, the family and their tradition and passing down recipes. I have some clients who have some difficult experiences.

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And so trying to reclaim, like, a positive relationship with the food is not only highlighting how it does connect to your

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culture, but making it, like, fun, play based. Kitchen where my coffee area is, I have a funko of Deadpool as a barista. Like,

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that’s how I’ve, like, made the kitchen fun and silly. And then I used to watch Gilmore Girls, so I have a funko of Suki.

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And I have, a toadstool as a chef. And so they’re over by my by my stove. They’re helping me cook. And so I do that with my

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my clients. It’s, like, we talk about ways to, like, a little bit more exciting. We talk about, you know I don’t give nutritional

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advice. It’s not within my scope, but we talk about how they can enjoy, like, the food that they’re eating. Maybe it’s, like,

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put more colors on the plate. Maybe it’s I think the common phrasing nutritionalists use is have what you like, add what you

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need. So we you know, I’ll have them talk to their nutritionalists and see, like, what could we say that we like and then

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add what we need. And maybe some of the things we like is, like, I will change the peanut butter and jelly sandwich to the

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shape of, like, a Mario star or, like, the the, castle at Disneyland so that I’m still eating enough protein with the peanut

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butter, but I don’t want the crust. And it’s like, okay. You don’t have to have the crust. And I’ve noticed that that is the

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best way to reincorporate food as not just nutritional you actually appreciate it and not just the fact that it is something

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you put, like, in your body, and it’s just the something you check off the box of, like, how you stay alive. But instead,

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like, you are looking forward to it. You’re savoring it. A lot of the work we do is also mindfulness based. I don’t know how

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many times I’ve, like, had clients, like, stop and pause and, like, really smell their coffee, hold the warmth in their hand,

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like, hold the flavor in their mouth, see if they can describe it. Those are the ways in which slowing down and accessing

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more language makes it easier in the long run when it comes to healing and and working through trauma and talk therapy.

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Yeah. I love that you mentioned slowing down and enjoying your food just to enjoy it, because not many people do that. I know

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for me as a mom, I I stopped sitting down to eat. I I eat standing up all the time. And many other moms can relate because

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you just the minute you sit down, somebody will ask you for something, somebody needs someone someone starts crying or somebody

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gets hurt. So I it’s been a while since I’ve done that. And lucky for me, when I go to Disneyland, because it’s either I’m

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with friends or with other people. I mean, when my husband’s there with me, I can enjoy my food. And it’s fun for me because

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these are foods that make me happy. Whether, you know, it’s eating a themed food or eating something that’s very nostalgic

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for myself, I can stop and enjoy it because that’s really what being at the theme park is about. Right? It’s just enjoying

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yourself in anything that you do. No matter the stress that comes along with getting there, or ordering the food, or waiting

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in line for food, you’re still enjoying something that has happiness and joy in it. And so that is all a part of the park

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experience with, you know, the theme food and the types of food that they have at Disneyland. It’s there to make us generally just happy.

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Yeah. And I I think even, like, expanding that, joy of food, like, we know that now there’s merchandising and lining just

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for food. You talked about Right. The munchlings, and I bought a pizza backpack, headband like Mickey ears, and a shirt from

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their Disney Eats collection. So let’s talk

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let’s talk a little bit about the merchandising and the marketing that is now absolutely a thing at Disneyland. Because in

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the past years, there were no influencers. There were no theme nights. There were it was just going to the park and enjoying

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the park as a theme park. Now there’s an element of niche fandoms within the park. And obviously, food is one of those niches.

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And I don’t know about you, but this whole munchlings, like, little plushies that are Disney characters mashed up with food

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items. I feel like it came out of nowhere. Like absolute it’s like that meme that says no one, absolutely no one. Disney parks,

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let’s come out with, you know, a blind of plushies that look like food. That’s kind of how it happened in my

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Yes. Perception of it. And, like, that just shows you about, like, food and fandom taking over because I didn’t know that

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I needed a Donald Duck cupcake plushie until they showed me that I could have a Donald Duck cupcake plushie. And then I’m like, yeah. Oh

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my gosh. I saw all of the stitch related ones. There’s like a stitch Dole Whip. There’s a stitch macarot. I’m like still at

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that point in denial that I need it. I’m like spongebob or like, I don’t need it. I don’t need it. I don’t need it. I don’t

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need it. If I’m gonna get it, I’m gonna get the actual thing and I’m gonna consume it so that I can get something out of it.

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But they are so cute. And yes, spirit jerseys, ears. Ariel, you just bought the most beautiful set. This is so cute. And I

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think I remember when we were at the park, you were like, I’m getting it. There was just like no questions asked. Right?

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No. No. Yeah. So Disney Eats is a merchandising line that Disney is releasing every month a new food themed item. And the,

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February was pizza. And I saw it and I was like, yes. I cannot not live without this. I will buy it before the end of this

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convention. And I did. I bought the ears. I bought the jersey. I bought the lounge fly backpack. You know? I’m walking away

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with pure joy. Like, I looked up when it was international pizza day, so I could, like, wear this again. I really love pizza

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as a food. And then just to see the hidden Mickey’s, like, pepperonis as hidden Mickey’s, was it was clever. They got me.

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They really got me with the merchandising. I looked at some of the other foods. I may do s’mores. Like, they have that in

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December as one of the food items. That may be one that I also like as well. And and it’s interesting. If you go on the website,

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it’ll list the food items, and they are in, like, a tan, image. And then when they release the item, they actually replace

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that image with the actual item. So we’ll we’ll start to I see. Yeah. They’re they’re doing drops. They’re doing drops of

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their line. And it’s merchandising that involves kitchenware, it’s merchandising that involves clothing, sipper cups, like,

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it’s the whole gamut of ways to, like, engage with the food as a product

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and not just as a consumable, but, like, a product.

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It’s as if they thought, oh, consumable, but, like, a product.

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It’s as if they thought, oh, these millennials that now have kitchens and have incomes, let me see what they like. And let

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me just make this huge line about it so that every month in the year of 20 we get them in one way or another. Do they have

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a preview of the type of food it’s gonna be, or is it just like a silhouette of an image or something?

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Oh, it is a preview, but Okay. Even the preview is just a, like, a cartooned image of that food item. It isn’t of, like, the

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merchandise. So if you go on our Instagram, you will see the most recent drop with the pizza ears. But if you swipe swipe

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all the way to the end, you’ll see what it looked like before. We have the whole list for the whole month, so you can or or

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for every month this year, so you can see what those drops will look like.

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So when is coffee month? Because they have to do that. Right?

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Oh, that is a good question. This January was just Disney Eats collection, so That was introducing the collection. February

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was pizza. March is macaron. April is lollipop. May is ice cream. So some of these matching sort of what you would eat in

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those those months. June is doughnuts. July is shaved ice. August is pineapple swirl. September is caramel apple. October

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is churro. Umbers is gingerbread, and December is s’mores. So all foods, no drinks.

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So they’re all they’re all desserts except for pizza.

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Wait a minute. Except for pizza. Let’s pizza put them in the laundry detergent.

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They’re all desserts except for pizza. Okay. So the theme is they’re going for handheld. They’re going for childlike items

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that kids can also partake in, which is probably why they don’t have coffee. And I feel like I’ve seen I mean, before we’ve

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seen Disney donut ears, and some of the munchlings have been s’mores and, you know, macarons and other things. So I think

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they’re just now maybe expanding upon what the merchandising has worked for them in the past.

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Yes. Yes. And all the imagery is Mickey shaped items with the exception of the pineapple swirl, unless there’s a hidden mickey

42:42 – 42:58
that I can’t see. But I think you’re hitting on like some of the way that food is being merchandised, Find a food you can

42:58 – 43:04
eat with your hands. A messy food like spaghetti or food that you’re used to eating in your hands like pizza or fries. Because

43:04 – 43:10
that’s that is one of the first ways we, like, explore our body is touching our mouth and putting things in our mouth. You

43:10 – 43:14
have an infant. I’m pretty sure she puts everything in her mouth. Right? All the things.

43:14 – 43:15
So Every of the things.

43:15 – 43:23
When we’re talking about, like, nostalgia marketing, having handheld foods, wonderful. Having it be sweet, go to treats, having

43:23 – 43:31
it sort of match the theme of the month. I think that Disney’s on brand with this marketing. And I think really shows why

43:31 – 43:39
our panel, when we first did our food panel, why it was accepted at Comic Con. That was the first panel that we had ever accepted

43:39 – 43:46
at Comic Con. It was and it’s because food is a niche culture of fandom in so many different ways.

43:46 – 43:53
Mhmm. And just as you’re listing all of those foods, you could essentially say there’s a fandom for every type of food that

43:53 – 43:59
you just listed. Mhmm. We have pizza lovers, macaron lovers. I was surprised they didn’t have cookies. Just like regular cookies?

43:59 – 44:00
No chocolate chip cookies?

44:00 – 44:06
Just gingerbread, but definitely Just gingerbread. I think the other thing is that these are also foods you can access in

44:06 – 44:13
the park. So they’re, like, doubling down on the fact that these are favorite foods that are to go Mhmm. That are park foods as well. Right?

44:13 – 44:19
Yeah. But yeah. Absolutely. People are fans of these food. I know that we didn’t really dive too deep into it, but there are

44:19 – 44:24
fans of the different types of cold brew in the parks. Because now that they’ve realized that cold brew is a thing that people

44:24 – 44:30
need at the parks, whether you’re a parent, whether you’re just, like, trying to get through the day. There’s different variations

44:30 – 44:36
of cold brew that you can get in the parks, just like how you can get different variations of churros. So when you have followings

44:36 – 44:42
of people who will, like, repost any sort of video that has to do with that food item, that is essentially creating a fandom

44:42 – 44:50
of that item. That Disney now is looking at that as, hey, you know, we not only have Disney fans, but we have Disney foodies.

44:50 – 44:56
We have food fans and for specific things. So it was very smart on their part to hone in on that.

44:56 – 45:04
Yeah. I think this will be our our part 1 in a series of food as a subtopic on our Disney fandom, podcast.

45:05 – 45:07
We have lots to say about it. So, you know.

45:07 – 45:17
Now if you are going to be at WonderCon this year, we will have our panel on March 31st. That’s a Sunday from 4 to 5 PM. It’ll

45:17 – 45:24
be in room 2. And I do understand this is also Easter, so if we don’t see you, that is totally fine. But if we do, you know,

45:24 – 45:33
say hi, ask a question. We will have a variety of people on our panel, an actor, a producer, a restaurant owner, chef, a sous

45:33 – 45:40
chef. So come and learn about food and fandom. It won’t just be Disney related. It will be the whole gamut of food and fandom

45:40 – 45:48
and the experience. And, you know, if you have any questions, please follow us and message, like, and follow at happiestpodgt

45:49 – 45:56
for Instagram and happiestpodgt for and, yeah. Like, let us know. What do you eat at the parks? What are your favorite foods?

45:56 – 46:04
Yes. And what foods are you fans of? Because as we are going to be diving into that topic at the panel, we always love hearing

46:04 – 46:11
stories of people and their relationship to their favorite foods. It’s always so great to hear because we’ve all had that

46:11 – 46:19
experience of loving food and getting joy from it that is unmatched when you eat something that brings you so much happiness

46:19 – 46:26
that you just have to stop everything and realize that. So we’re very excited, the panel. But if not, we will see you on the next episode.

46:26 – 46:27
Alright. Bye, everybody.

46:28 – 46:29
Bye.

Media/Characters Mentioned
  • Tiana
  • Princess and the Frog
  • Remy
  • Ratatouille
  • Deadpool
  • Suki
  • Gilmore Girls
  • Toadstool
  • Funko Figures
Topics/Themes Mentioned
  • Disney Food Culture
  • Food and Wine Festival at California Adventure
  • Disney Merchandising and Marketing Strategies
  • Using Food in Education and Therapy
  • Disney Eats Collection
  • Panel Discussion on Food and Fandom

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Beyond the Screen: Disney Leveling Up

March 6, 2024 · Discuss on the GT Forum

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36: Venture ‘Beyond the Screen: Disney Leveling Up’ in Episode 36 of HPOE. Ariel and Stef navigate Disney’s groundbreaking move into developing a gaming metaverse and the company’s history with games, in general. This episode explores the fusion of iconic Disney storytelling with the interactive world of gaming, highlighting the potential for new adventures and connections. A thrilling exploration of Disney’s digital expansion, offering a glimpse into the future of entertainment for gamers, Disney aficionados, and digital explorers alike.

Learn more about the military charity Stack Up: https://www.stackup.org/

Summary

Summary of HPOE36:

  • Introduction (0:10): Stefanie and Ariel introduce the episode from Stack Up Studios, highlighting the integration of passions in education and therapy.
  • About Stack Up (1:01): Discussion on Stack Up’s support for veterans through gaming and community events.
  • Recording Together (2:55): Sharing the novelty of recording in person for the first time, enhancing their discussion dynamics.
  • Diving into Gaming (3:27): Transition into discussing video games, especially those not typically associated with the “gamer” stereotype.
  • Disney and Gaming (4:57): Exploration of Disney’s history with video games, with a special focus on the Kingdom Hearts series.
  • Personal Gaming Histories (6:07): Stefanie and Ariel share their personal journeys with video games, from childhood favorites to adult choices.
  • Disney’s Gaming Evolution (15:27): Discussing Disney’s new ventures into gaming, including a partnership with Epic Games for a metaverse project.
  • Cultural Impact of Gaming (31:18): Reflecting on how gaming influences family traditions and social interactions.
  • Safety in Gaming (43:11): Concerns and hopes for safety measures in Disney’s future gaming projects.
  • Engagement and Community (45:46): Encouragement for listeners to share their gaming experiences and engage with the community.
Transcription

Ariel Landrum 0:10
Hello, everyone, welcome to the Happiest Pod on Earth. I’m Stef. I’m an educator who uses passions and fandoms to help my students grow and learn about themselves and the world around them.

And I’m Ariel, a licensed therapist who uses clients passions and fandoms to help them grow and heal from trauma and mental unwellness.

Stefanie Bautista 0:28
Here at Happiest Pod, we dissect Disney mediums with a critical lens.

Ariel Landrum 0:32
Why? Because we’re more than just fans, we expect more from the mediums we consume. So Stef, what are we going to be discussing today?

Stefanie Bautista 0:39
Well, we are actually recording in a very special place. We are recording at Stack Up Studios here in Los Angeles…

Ariel Landrum 0:47
At their Phalanx House.

Stefanie Bautista 0:48
At their Phalanx House, right. But this place is very special, because it is very video game centric. And that’s what we are going to be talking about today. So Ariel, can you give us a little bit of background about what Stack Up does here?

Ariel Landrum 1:01
Absolutely. So stack up is a military charity supporting active and veterans service members in the US and abroad. They also support anybody who is connected, who has like government connections that would also be deployed to like DoD members. And they do things like air drops, where they drop gaming equipment, and geek culture events at this spot. Specifically, they do peer to peer mental health support for veterans. And they do volunteer teams that engage with veteran outreach and community betterment. And here at the Phalanx House. They have a variety of different events, especially around the holidays for service members who may not have family in the area. They have like a D&D night, they have Year’s Eve and Christmas parties or Thanksgiving, they’ll be having a Super Bowl party here. And so it’s really wonderful nonprofit, and they embrace gaming and geek culture. So obviously a really good partner with a Geek Therapy. And we are in their one of their podcasting rooms, recording today.

Stefanie Bautista 1:01
Yeah, I mean, I wish I could kind of take a snapshot of all of this stuff, because there’s a lot of amazing things here that a gamer would only dream of having just accessible to them. I think that this is a great way for veterans to kind of connect with the things that they love. Kind of like how what we talked about here at Happiest Pod on Earth, I think the things that make us happy, and the things that make us whole and human and all those good things. You need to connect those to yourself every so often, depending on, you know, even if you’re a veteran, even if you’re an educator, even as a therapist, you got to connect to the things that you love. And I think getting back to those roots, especially for people who have been in very traumatic situations such as veterans, it’s really important to rehabilitate yourself, especially after your duty is done. Special thanks to Stephen and his crew for letting us use this space and setting us up today. Because this is amazing. And we’re very happy to be here.

Ariel Landrum 2:55
And for those of you who might not be aware of oftentimes, when Stef and I are recording the podcast, we are not in the same room, we are actually seeing each other through zoom. And so this is the first time that we actually have gotten to record in person.

Stefanie Bautista 3:07
Yeah, like in, in face to face with each other. Which is awesome, because we have very many, many conversations with each other in the car or when we’re hanging out. But whenever we’re recording, we actually are not in the same room together. So this is actually going to be very exciting because we can actually have a real conversation.

Ariel Landrum 3:27
Yes, yes. And so today because we are here at stack up and we are part of Geek Therapy, there is one a geeking genre that we have not stepped into or talked about and that is video games.

Stefanie Bautista 3:39
That’s right. I would not claim myself as an avid avid gamer. However, I still play video games, whether it’s on my phone, whether it’s on my switch that like I let die and then revive again every week. I still video game and I know Ariel you game too, right?

Ariel Landrum 3:56
Absolutely. And I think that goes to there’s actually no official definition of what a gamer is, except for it’s a person who plays games, whether for fun or professionally. But in the you know, in the media socially, in our zeitgeist, we tend to think of gamers, really people who do parse first person shooters often male, like that’s the image we have in our mind. And video games. There are a variety of video games, there’s cosy gaming, there’s sandbox play, there’s a lot of ways to do video games that isn’t just first person shooters. And when it comes to the Disney genre that does sort of help meet the middle for individuals who may not be excited to do first person shooters, but they want to do maybe puzzles, they want more world building, they want expansion even with the I would say some of their older school games that were very difficult. It really captivated like a specific audience of individuals who may not use the term gamer because it’s been codified in a certain way.

Stefanie Bautista 4:57
Right? And when I think of gaming and of Disney I feel like they’ve always been parallel worlds, but haven’t necessarily connected in the way that most people would like them to. I think the closest we’ve gotten to that is Kingdom Hearts because it was so widely appreciated. And it was at a time where people were kind of expanding what their knowledge of video games were, it wasn’t just first person shooter. It wasn’t just, you know, Sonic or Mario where, you know, it’s like 2D like that. But, I mean, the earliest video game I played was The Little Mermaid Hand Game. And that I don’t know if you’ll remember that. Maybe it’s before your time for some of you who are listening. But it was a handheld game. And it only had a couple graphics on it. It never really moved. It wasn’t. It wasn’t like watching a video. I don’t even know what it’s called. It’s like LCD, it’s not even LCD. It’s like some crystal. I don’t know what it is. But basically, it was like the old old Tetris, but it wasn’t even on the screen. It was just these little images of Ariel swimming through in black and white. And she would keep going and she would like gather things in the sea. And then at the end, she would battle Ursula with the ship and the ship’s tip.

Ariel Landrum 6:07
Oh, okay. And like the movie.

Stefanie Bautista 6:08
You basically jab, Ursula until she died. It was very old. It had like three buttons…

Ariel Landrum 6:14
You said was a handheld game? What did you… What was it on?

Stefanie Bautista 6:17
It’s a handheld game. Like it was just it was just hand held…

Ariel Landrum 6:20
It was it? Oh, it wasn’t like a cartridge,

Stefanie Bautista 6:24
No not a cartridge at all. This is like probably early 90s. I will put a picture of it in our Instagram, just so you all know. But yeah, it was just a handheld game, something that you would just pick up and buy. And it was its own console. I know there’s a name for it. I’m gonna look it up. But that’s what my earliest game was. And it was Little Mermaid. And I remember, you only have like three lives. So if you had the lives, you would have to start all over again. And you would not be able to respond to revive all that stuff.

Ariel Landrum 6:54
So no auto save?

Stefanie Bautista 6:55
No auto saves you couldn’t even save there wasn’t even an option for that. It taught me resilience because I died alot. I was probably like six or seven. But I loved Ariel. I loved The Little mermaid. And I think you know that and playing as her gave another dimension to something that I love.

Ariel Landrum 7:12
I don’t think that was the only game that you played though. Back then was the other one the Aladdin game?

Stefanie Bautista 7:17
That was a different version of that same handheld game. Still a black and white screen you would just kind of like I think so. If Ariel was collecting things on the ocean floor, Aladdin was stealing like different breads. Oh, I think that’s what I remember.

Ariel Landrum 7:31
Okay, okay…

Stefanie Bautista 7:32
Then you would have to battle Jafar as like the genie the bad Genie. And I think that’s what it was because Ursula started off small and she kind of grew.

Ariel Landrum 7:40
Oh okay.

Stefanie Bautista 7:40
And that was like the one graphic they had. The same thing with Genie, Genie, which Jafar he would start off small and then he would become the big red Genie. So they were all basically the same cut games just package the different way. I think it was made by Tiger. Tiger Handheld Games. That’s what it was called.

Ariel Landrum 7:56
Oh, wow. Okay, okay. For me, I did not play any Disney games. Growing up. I had Pokemon Red and the red cartridge on my Gameboy. But for the most part, all the video games were my brother’s. He had the console he had he had all the gaming devices. And it wasn’t that I wasn’t interested. It was just that was his thing. And so because it was his it couldn’t be mine. We were we he like burgers so I had to like chicken nuggets like sibling rivalry.

Stefanie Bautista 8:27
Couldn’t be the same.

Ariel Landrum 8:28
No. And now I eat burgers. So there you go.

Stefanie Bautista 8:32
Take that.

Ariel Landrum 8:33
Growing up. If I played video games at other people’s houses until I went to college, and when I went to college, you know, I had an Xbox and I got video games. I got you know, I had Halo and I had left for dead like those were the games that I had. But I never had a Disney game. So the first Disney game that I ever played was on my mobile device. And it was the Disney Emoji Blitz, and it’s all the characters as little emojis. And basically if you pay played Candy Crush, it’s one of those little puzzle games where you’re moving the different items and trying to like explode things or get a special power. And then after that it was the Just Dance games. They have Disney songs. The newest Just Dance has the Moana song.

Stefanie Bautista 9:14
Oh.

Ariel Landrum 9:15
Yeah.

Stefanie Bautista 9:15
How far L’ll go?

Ariel Landrum 9:16
How far I’ll go. It’s one of the dances…

Stefanie Bautista 9:17
It’s interpretive dance because that’s our contemporary because it is very…

Ariel Landrum 9:22
It is it is…

Stefanie Bautista 9:22
Not very upbeat.

Ariel Landrum 9:23
For for Christmas. I bought my friend’s kids the copy The Just Dance and they sent me a video of their son doing the Moana, How Far I’ll Go. Lots of beautiful arm movements.

Stefanie Bautista 9:35
Yeah.

Ariel Landrum 9:35
So for me there’s been a lot of catch up because I never got introduced to Kingdom of Hearts but you you’ve played it. Yes?

Stefanie Bautista 9:42
I played it. I never finished it. I think Kingdom Hearts came around at the time where I didn’t have like, an up to date PlayStation or anything like that. I my first console was a Genesis a Sega Genesis because I love Sonic. That’s like my favorite game. I still play it to this day. I have it on my switch. And I’m so glad that I don’t have to just go through it. I can just cheat you and use the code that I want. It’s like it just jumped to any level. But yeah, so because I had a Sega Genesis, I had that Sega Genesis for a long, long time. Because I’m a girl. Nobody really wanted to be like, “Oh, she needs a PlayStation.” One, Two what have you. She’s like, “She doesn’t need that stuff. Why would she need that?” I used to live with my older cousins who were guys. They were sort of gamers, but not really, they’re more into cars. So I’ve never really got to play like in the 2000s like console games like on the PlayStation until I started dating my now husband. So he had like a modded PS1, I don’t know if we still have it. It was like, it was like green, but it was like see through green. Like, it was pretty cool. A lot of my gaming went through that experience and that outlet. So I didn’t pick the games. It was the games that he had. So I did have like a little bit of a break. And then I played Kingdom Hearts. I don’t even think I played it on his I think I played it at like a friend’s house. And it was really cool. Just to see somebody who look like, you know, Link just going through and then you see, “Oh my god, there’s goofy, there’s Mickey.” And I was like, it almost didn’t make sense to me why this was happening. I’m like, “Who said that this was okay?” Because if I’m going to play a first person, I want to be Mickey, I don’t want to be somebody else. I want to be Mickey going through, you know, doing Mickey things. But it didn’t make sense. And I think it like it just basically took all the anime fans all the otaku out there. And it took all of the Disney fans and just mash them together and said, “Let’s see what happens.” And it was wildly popular. I’ve always wanted to go back and play it again. Just because visually, it’s stunning. I think they really took a lot of creative freedoms with what everything looked like. And because technology was advancing so much at that time, they were just like, let’s just see what sticks. And then they really listened to Japanese developers. Because prior to that, I remember seeing Dance Dance Revolution…

Ariel Landrum 9:42
Yeah?

Stefanie Bautista 10:09
But Disney. Oh, yeah, there’s a Disney mix. And I remember seeing it a lot when I went to Japan to they had a your regular DDR machine with like those songs. And then they had a Disney one. And they had that for Disney fans because Disney fandom in Japan is wild. That’s like a whole nother thing. But they love Dance Dance Revolution. They love Disney. So they put those things together.

Ariel Landrum 12:19
Oh, I would love to do that. Oh, that’s awesome.

Stefanie Bautista 12:21
We will. When we go to Japan one day, we will.

Ariel Landrum 12:24
Yes. Yes.

Stefanie Bautista 12:26
But yeah, like you were saying I loved rhythm games, I love dance games, dance games, puzzle games, things that are not high stakes and high anxiety for me. I can do, especially as I got older, and I feel like my anxiety just got larger and larger. I think just you know that fear of loss just wasn’t there because I’m like, “Oh, you know, it’s not like I’m getting towards or I don’t have like a big goal.” And I feel like that for a lot of kids that I work with when they play video games. They’re very selective in what they want to play. Just because they don’t want that fear of failure. They don’t want that anxiety of, “Oh my god, what if I can’t accomplish this?” And like I think having these different games especially having Disney having different sorts of games, like you said cosy gaming and all that stuff, it’s really good to have like a wider array.

Ariel Landrum 13:09
Now there are more options in regards to gaming that it isn’t seen as one genre one type of experience and when it comes to doing therapy when it comes to teaching, having that variety and understanding like for you the way the student learns more for me the way the client is looking towards change and how they’re thinking about the thinking those experiences have highlighted the importance of having diversity and treatment. I think diversity in gaming is just creating more community more connection. I know that Josue way our founder still plays the Disney Blitz game and regularly attempts to try and beat Dad now and sister and they regularly use that as a as a means of checking in. It’s like “Oh, I saw you logged in and you played so I know that you’re you’re doing well.”

Stefanie Bautista 14:00
That’s really awesome. I just read downloaded Emoji Blitz. And I was like you know what? I need another puzzle game because RIP on my Sailor Moon game. died a long time ago.

Ariel Landrum 14:11
Yeah.

Stefanie Bautista 14:11
It was my favorite shout out to you guys who played Sailor Moon Drops I love that game to death buts there the love be another one like.

Ariel Landrum 14:19
You played it that night before your wedding.

Stefanie Bautista 14:21
I did because I was so nervous. And I just needed to take the edge off.

Ariel Landrum 14:26
Yeah and gamings can allow us an avenue to be able to self regulate to be able to calm ourselves. It’s a great stress reliever.

Stefanie Bautista 14:34
Absolutely. I mean, this is not really Disney related. But I played New Horizons while I was pregnant. Because it was during the pandemic, I had my baby at the height of the pandemic. I didn’t know what was going to happen. There was a lot of what ifs and unknowns and it was very scary for me as you know somebody who was about to bring another life into the world.

Ariel Landrum 14:53
For the first time too.

Stefanie Bautista 14:54
First and I had like nobody to turn to because there were all the structures that were there for women were gone, because the world got flipped upside down. So New Horizons was definitely my comfort and I played it and I played it and I played it and because it’s open world that there’s no end to it. It just gave me a sense of you know, “I can I can get back to, to a little bit of normalcy through my little animal friends.”

Ariel Landrum 15:20
Well, and And speaking of open world, you just mentioned that Disney dropped some news really recently about an open world.

Stefanie Bautista 15:27
Disney did a lot of announcements on February 7, and one of the biggest things that they announced is that they are going to partner up with epic who makes Fortnite they are investing $1.5 billion into basically a new universe that’s gonna resemble a metaverse. This is the first time that Disney is going to be investing this much into gaming. And like I said, in the beginning, Disney and gaming has always been parallel for me, I feel like now they’re gonna merge in a really, really big way. Just because they want to tap into you know, younger audiences who play things like Fortnite, Minecraft, things that are open world that just kind of have no end and kids just tap in and play. They want to bring the Disney world into that. Obviously, it’s a big money move. It’s gonna bring in a lot of revenue, hopefully. But I don’t know, we’ll see what happens because I feel like when Disney makes these big moves, sometimes it’s a hit. Sometimes it’s a miss.

Ariel Landrum 16:19
Well, and what we do know is Disney is a big conglomerate organization, we can admit that and video games. I think the studies have shown how to create more money than like film and books and music combined. That’s how much revenue like the gaming industry itself makes. So it’s smart move to try and integrate better with gaming than be that parallel. But it’s going to be really interesting to think of Disney in a metaverse. I think this like makes me think of Wreck-It Ralph, when we saw the Disney Princesses together for the first time, because in general, the the way that they mark it, you know, they’re different franchises, and even in the parks, they’re their own sections, their own worlds, they don’t intermingle know, so the idea of an open world where they could intermingle where you know, these characters actually may know each other, or experience each other, that’s just gonna be mind blowing. And I think will usher in a new way of seeing Disney and I think kind of connects to how they have made such like integration in the Marvel Universe.

Stefanie Bautista 16:19
Yeah.

Ariel Landrum 16:26
It only makes sense that they’re going to try and think of how to integrate those things.

Stefanie Bautista 16:40
Yeah. I feel like now if they do a Christmas special normally, it’s a Star Wars Christmas special and Marvel one, and like a Disney one. They might all just be in the same Christmas special at this point. But I’m very curious to see, you know, of course, there’s going to be a lot of naysayers into this. Us being the age that we are we know them as separate entities. Kids nowadays, think of Disney Marvel Star Wars as one, because that’s how they were introduced. I’m wondering if there’s going to be like, “That’s not canon. This is not part of the story. Why are they doing this?”

Ariel Landrum 17:58
The toxicity.

Stefanie Bautista 17:59
You know, I feel like there’s just going to be a lot of toxicity. Because yeah, people are going to want to protect what they know and how they know it and keep it and preserve it that way. But I think the interesting thing about Disney and being innovators is that they try to push that envelope and think forward. And I mean, when I think about kids now if I asked them, if Star Wars was Disney, they’d say yes. They wouldn’t think of it any other way. So it’s I think it’s very interesting to see it from that perspective.

Ariel Landrum 18:29
Yeah, I think watching things evolve and grow and knowing if you can evolve and grow with it is going to be a real like generational marker. One of their cosy games. It’s called Dream Light Valley, it came out in December of 2023. And it appears to be somewhat of like an open world game. And it does appear to be that you can interact with the different characters, but it doesn’t look like those characters interact with each other. So there still seems to be some separation. Now someone can correct me if I’m wrong, but from what I’ve watched, that seems to be how it looks like. There’s still no pressure it is cozy gaming, but it’ll be interesting to see. And then a huge Metaverse where they could maybe connect and these different characters could interact or if it’s still going to be what they’ve done like Dream Light Valley and Kingdom Hearts where it’s just one person that interacts or even like what is it Sofia The First?

Stefanie Bautista 19:20
Yeah Sofia the First. Once Upon a Time is like that too?

Ariel Landrum 19:24
Yes!

Stefanie Bautista 19:24
The drama series where one person interacts with everybody, but I don’t remember them all being together. But yeah, it’s going to be very interesting the way that they’re going to weave this web of a Metaverse because the point of the metaverse is to bring everyone together. So we’ll see what happens. I know that they’re going to do mobile gaming, I know that they’re going to be doing laptop gaming, and they’re gonna be doing console gaming, so they’re going to really try to expand on all those things. One of the reasons why they did this is because they saw how well Marvel and Sony Spider-Man has been doing. Even with the different iteration of Spide-Man whether it’s the Sony universe or the Disney universe, this is its own thing. And it’s made so much money, just because the quality of the gaming is so good. And I think that’s another question I have is because, right this conglomerate is taking this over. I wonder what the quality is going to be like?

Ariel Landrum 20:17
Yeah.

Stefanie Bautista 20:17
Because the Sony SpiderMan games have largely been developed by themselves.

Ariel Landrum 20:22
Yeah.

Stefanie Bautista 20:23
And they have people who are, you know, solely dedicated to just that. There’s always that saying, you know, like, “Sometimes a jack of all trades isn’t going to do everything, as well as somebody who’s just focused on one would do.” So I mean, that’s another thing to consider.

Ariel Landrum 20:36
Yeah, I my roommate has played both of the Spider-Man games and I’ve watched I haven’t played but they do have the different Spider-Man outfits from the movies. That’s like that would be like, I guess the Easter egg. Peter Parker in the Miles Morales they are not the ones that we saw in our Marvel Universe.

Stefanie Bautista 20:54
Yeah.

Ariel Landrum 20:54
And really more connected towards Miles Morales and Peter Parker of like this the Sony universe.

Stefanie Bautista 21:00
Yeah.

Ariel Landrum 21:01
And it is such a good game. The storytelling is great. There’s a lot of diversity. The second game one of the characters I think that Miles Morales has a crush on is deaf and signs and ASL and Miles Morales learns ASL. So trilingual.

Stefanie Bautista 21:16
Yeah. In the best way possible. Yes. Yeah. Gosh, yeah. I mean, I’ve heard nothing but great things about that game. I haven’t played it myself. But I mean, even the, like, all the way down to the graphics. I mean, I wonder, because, you know, Fortnite is, you know, like, it’s, it’s a game that isn’t very focused on very intricate draft graphics, because, again, it’s made for younger audiences. So they, you know, like things that are a little bit more cartoony and animated. So it’s gonna be very interesting to see what Disney does with this, because that’s a lot of money to invest. Billions.

Ariel Landrum 21:48
Yes. And so some of the things that we’ve already talked about is gaming is a way to self regulate gaming is a great way to destress. It helps you focus. You mentioned patiences and distress tolerance with The Little Mermaid game. I think even like patiences from the Kingdom Hearts fan fandom, because the second game didn’t come out to like, what, eight years later or some nonense?

Stefanie Bautista 22:11
Yeah. Huge gaps. And I think even playing the earlier games taught you patiences because it was hard when I remember playing I don’t know if you play this the Toy Story games. So there was a Toy Story games that was on the PlayStation One, I think, I think this was Toy Story two, because I know, at this point, Buzz and Woody were friends. And yeah, you’re basically going through the world as Buzz and you had to do all of these acrobatics around Andy’s room to get to different levels. And I remember being Buzz and trying to do like this front flip like gymnastics thing on a bar. So you had to jump on the bar, you had to like hold on to it, who would twirl. But you had to do it like five or six times around the room to get to the next level. So you technically died?

Ariel Landrum 22:11
Oh, no!

Stefanie Bautista 22:14
I got stuck on that part for so long. I remember spending days maybe even weeks trying to just get from one part of Andy’s room to another. And I don’t know if this was meant for a 10, 11 year old me. But here I was super frustrated and trying and trying and trying again. Now with games like Fortnite you don’t have to go through things like that in order to get to the next level.

Ariel Landrum 23:23
Well, I think some people have done like a survival mode.

Stefanie Bautista 23:26
Right!

Ariel Landrum 23:26
Yeah.

Stefanie Bautista 23:27
You would have to pick that mode in order be there.

Ariel Landrum 23:29
Or like people have decided designed them as well.

Stefanie Bautista 23:32
Yeah yeah yeah. Right. That’s a good point to make. It’s great that it’s not, you know, limiting, but at the same time, the different skills you just never like, like that resilience and just like enduring and like trying to get it done. That’s not there, too. So I mean, I’m glad that they’re taking, like equitable approach to it. But at the same time, I’m wondering, you know, could they be challenging kids a little bit more? In certain ways? Yeah know?

Ariel Landrum 23:57
Well, I think it’s also interesting to see how people game now, even in the way with open world games, how they challenge themselves, because how many times have we seen like now mods in Fortnite, or like now the new thing is Paw… Palworld?

Stefanie Bautista 24:15
Palworld.

Ariel Landrum 24:15
Palworld. Yeah, I’m already hearing about mods that are being put in there. And that takes coding. That takes a lot of effort. So it’s interesting, the desire for customization that we didn’t have growing up. And because of that level of customization, how it forces you to think of the game, not in the mechanics, the game was created.

Stefanie Bautista 24:15
Right.

Ariel Landrum 24:15
We have TAGGS coming up The Therapeutic Applied Geek and Gaming Summit. And one of the things that has been talked about in some previous TAGGS is that technically when we are using games, therapeutically, we’re not using them how they were designed to be used. I find that interesting and though the trajectory the way the world is now that we we do use things off brand if that makes sense. Start with the gaming, like we are thinking about the mechanics differently now than we did before. Because cuz there’s just more opportunity to be able to do that more advancement.

Stefanie Bautista 25:09
And I think depending on what console you’re using, you’re experiencing things in different ways. If you’re gaming on a laptop, that’s everyone’s gaming on a console over gaming on a desktop, that’s different than gaming on your phone. It’s different ways to experience different things in different worlds. I think that’s kind of like the crux of all of this, right is because you have so many options, you got to figure out which one works for you. And that takes time. It’s kind of like giving kids just too many options. And if you don’t have the capacity to show them different ways to do one thing, they’re never going to know what’s best for them. But also, they’re only going to know what you show them.

Ariel Landrum 25:46
Yes, yeah, yeah. So it’s that fine balance of like, as much open opportunity and limited choice, especially when you’re thinking of like young minds. And when I think of the games that I was introduced to when I was younger, except for Pokemon, because I loved like Pokemon, I was introduced to those games because someone else introduced them to me.

Stefanie Bautista 26:07
Yeah.

Ariel Landrum 26:07
Not because I was searching them out. And I played like a lot of Rock Band, because I had a boyfriend at the time who wanted to play the drums. And that was like that was accessible.

Stefanie Bautista 26:18
Because it was right there.

Ariel Landrum 26:19
And I fell in love with it. So I think the other thing that games do besides challenge you within the game mechanics, as well as now this new opportunity to customize. I think they also introduce you to like new communities and friendships and opportunities when you are open to the idea of experiencing it with someone else.

Stefanie Bautista 26:39
Right. You were mentioning Rock Band. And I remember Guitar Hero being such a big thing. And I didn’t play until my brother got one because he wanted to play guitar. I did too. But I didn’t get that. Because he did that. So I started playing guitar hero. But I remember my mom just being like, “I’m not gonna buy you these other pieces.” Like when Rock Band came along. She was like, “That’s too many pieces. It’s too expensive.”

Ariel Landrum 27:04
Yeah.

Stefanie Bautista 27:04
I wish there was a way where you could just sample all of this stuff. Oh, it’s so difficult to do that now because Best Buy used to do and Best Buy and Toys R Us would do like a version of it back then. To where you would try these games out in a, you know, in a safe setting. The first time I played Tekken was in a department store.

Ariel Landrum 27:21
Yeah.

Stefanie Bautista 27:22
And me and my best friend, every time we went to the department store, we would play Tekken. Because that’s the only way we would play it. Our parents would never buy this for us. But here it was accessible for us. And thats the reason why I knew about it, and I was able to talk about it with friends later on in life is because I played it in a department store. But kind of like how, and I’m going to show my age like a lot here is when you used to go to Virgin Records, and you would preview a CD before you bought it. Because it was there for you to listen to. I wish they would do that with more games, especially towards younger kids. Because how are you going to know and how are you going to invest? If you don’t know if they like it or not.

Ariel Landrum 27:58
You’re really highlighting how like socioeconomic status and video games are for our generation that that was a huge divide. I think this generation has so much access to a variety of video games. It’s really like the top tier ones that get advertised the most that might be inaccessible. And now I do know like Xbox and PlayStation as like a Game Pass.

Stefanie Bautista 27:58
Right.

Ariel Landrum 27:58
And you can have a subscription there. But again, you need the console and the subscription. Yeah, right. And I know that there was this website, and it seems to still exist, called Gamefly.

Stefanie Bautista 28:33
Right?

Ariel Landrum 28:33
You could rent the game.

Stefanie Bautista 28:35
Yeah. Yeah. And then it was like the old school Netflix and they would send it to you.

Ariel Landrum 28:38
Yes. Now, however, and it still looks like it. You couldn’t rent the actual like console pieces, right? Yeah. So like Rock Band, like it’s playing on a controller doesn’t make sense. No, like, however…

Stefanie Bautista 28:53
I tried it’s horrible.

Ariel Landrum 28:55
I’m also not seeing with the exception of virtual reality, a lot of video games that require anything extra. But the controller and my my Am I wrong about that?

Stefanie Bautista 29:06
I mean, as far as I know, I haven’t seen one since that needed anything extra? Because I think everybody’s goal now is convenience and accessibility. Yeah. Everyone has a phone. Most people have a laptop. I mean, maybe most households have one console or another whether it’s an Xbox or a PlayStation. So I don’t know. I as far as I know. No.

Ariel Landrum 29:29
Yeah. And it’s really interesting to see the trajectory of gaming as well because I remember having a special backpack that fit my Xbox 360 and all of its pieces so that I can take it somewhere with me like take it to a friend’s house. And now it’s just so easy to like with The Switch, just transport a game. And especially now that video games are mostly digital, you don’t even have to buy a hard copy and you can just log in.

Stefanie Bautista 29:56
And download the software.

Ariel Landrum 29:58
Download the software. Yes.

Stefanie Bautista 29:59
Yeah, arcades are not a big thing anymore. If you are going to an arcade such as A Round One around here, which is like you know, a big entertainment center, kind of like how all amusement Fun Center used to be, you’re playing those, I don’t want to call it carnival games, but they’re almost carnival games, they’re not exactly video games. Whereas when you go to Japan, which has a huge gaming culture, you can still go to an arcade and play something that is a video you can sit down and play whatever iteration of Street Fighter or whatever. And they have levels, they have one level for fighting games, they have one level for racing games, they have one level for cute kawaii games, they have one level for like a virtual horse racing like, I mean, the accessibility is so much more there just because it’s integrated into their culture. I wish that they had something that here just so that you know more if if they do want to invest all of this money, this is what I get. The point that I’m trying to make is they if they want to invest all this money into gaming, I feel like they have to speak to everyone, no matter what their socio economic status is, no matter what their you know, accessibility level is it needs to be available for them to consume so that they have the opportunity to want to do it at home. I feel like America operates so much in silos, instead of you know, collective that’s my two cents.

Ariel Landrum 31:18
Yes. And I think you’re also highlighting not just the trajectory and evolution of games, but you’re also highlighting the cultural component because in Japan, video games are the culture. We when we saw the Tokyo Olympics, they played video game orchestra, orchestral music. And it’s interesting that you’re talking about like arcades and spaces, because I remember going before Rock Band even existed. I lived in Korea, and I was like 13 at the time, and we would go to like gaming centers or like a PC Bong. And at the gaming center there, this song always makes me think of like, going to this gaming center with my dad, the song Kiss Me Sixpence None The Richer. It was a song that, that they had a drum that I could drum to and it was like only…

Stefanie Bautista 32:08
Was it taiko drum, because there’s that game too, which I really really like.

Ariel Landrum 32:11
I don’t know what it was. It was just an arcade game. And there was a little drum and they were like actual, like, are electric drums.

Stefanie Bautista 32:18
Yeah, so there’s that one? Yes, there’s, I’ve seen that one. I’ve seen the Taiko drum. And then there’s one of you could be a DJ too.

Ariel Landrum 32:24
Yeah. So I played that. And that was the song I picked because it’s the only English song. And every time I was I was really good on the drums on this thing..

Stefanie Bautista 32:32
What an interesting…

Ariel Landrum 32:33
And in many, many, many years later, because I was what 16 Seven? Yeah, 16 or 17 when the rock band came out. You saw this. So when my dad passed away, we went through his memorabilia. He had a lot of memorabilia, and I showed you that he kept a GameWorks card.

Stefanie Bautista 32:49
Yes you did.

Ariel Landrum 32:50
And so so if you some of you don’t know game works was like a gaming entertainment center location.

Stefanie Bautista 32:56
It’s like Round One that I mentioned earlier.

Ariel Landrum 32:58
But this one, I guess, how would you describe it somewhat like Dave and Busters, but like not.

Stefanie Bautista 33:06
But not the game works that I went to. I remember, game was only existing in Las Vegas for a long time. I go to Vegas quite often at least a couple times a year because I feel like Vegas is LA East. As an Angeleno you just got to Vegas, it’s just thing you do. GameWorks was right next to the M&M store. And as a kid, when you go to Vegas, there’s literally nothing you could do. But go to game works and the M&M store. So GameWorks is basically a big arcade.

Ariel Landrum 33:34
Yeah.

Stefanie Bautista 33:34
There’s a bowling alley there. You can do various games. It’s not like you know, Chucky Cheese or all that stuff where you had like a physical aspect to it. It’s more of like tween gaming. I want to say if if I want to put kind of like a generator or like an age range on it, so you could play basically, yeah, arcade games, skee ball, all that stuff. That was the epicenter. It was such a late 90s, early 2000s thing.

Ariel Landrum 33:58
And they built one in Guam, and it closed in 2006. So that was a Game Works that I went to.

Stefanie Bautista 34:04
Oh my goodness.

Ariel Landrum 34:05
And so that was a card my dad had held on to was the we had, we had already moved. And he had held on to it. And the game that I remember, was an I see like now I think of like safety stuff because I’m old. But you strap yourself in and it would go up and down. Like it actually went up like two or three floors. And what it was was you were shooting down these virtual balloons, which are supposed to be other people that were strapped to this chair.

Stefanie Bautista 34:32
I if you’re like I saw that, but I was never allowed to go on it because it was expensive.

Ariel Landrum 34:36
At some point at some point. Like you would be you’d be shooting you’d be shooting and you’d feel your vehicle move up and down like two or three floors. And then at the end you would see who was at the highest I was in the middle. So I felt really good about my shot. But I hadn’t realized as I was playing the game, how high up I was until it was time to reveal the score and like the screen like sort of went away and I freaked out. So I have a huge fear of heights.

Stefanie Bautista 35:03
Yeah.

Ariel Landrum 35:03
And I was like, proud of myself for like beating all of these like dudes, but I was also very scared to one off of that game ride. And I don’t think I don’t think anything like that exsists like that anymore.

Stefanie Bautista 35:13
No, because game works was always in a place where they had a huge area. That’s what you have. You’re like Las Vegas, you’re Ontario because they had I don’t even know what they’re called simulator games, I guess. Very similar to like, if you play Jurassic Park, where you’re like in the little Jeep, and you’re shooting, not all the dinosaurs, but like on a more larger scale, I think something comparable to that would be kind of like a VR simulator.

Ariel Landrum 35:15
Yeah.

Stefanie Bautista 35:15
It’s very comparable to that now, but you’re in a pod, as opposed to Ariel here who was hoisted into the air.

Ariel Landrum 35:23
Yes yes. Hosited right up into the air.

Stefanie Bautista 35:49
So did you play it ever again? Or did you want to go on it after? Did you have the opportunity to know?

Ariel Landrum 35:55
So that was our like, last week in Guam? And I had never played that game before I had always played. Is it a House of the Dead? The House of the Dead? And there was a Jurassic Park one?

Stefanie Bautista 36:08
Yes. That was..

Ariel Landrum 36:08
Yep. Though. So those are just my classic games, that some sort of driving game, you know, you’re always doing a racing game.

Stefanie Bautista 36:13
Yeah.

Ariel Landrum 36:14
But I wanted to do this. I want to do that. Because we were leaving. And I didn’t know I didn’t think there was a Game Works in Korea. Little did I know, I would still be playing video games and other ways.

Stefanie Bautista 36:24
Or that Korea probably had something that was just not called game works. It was something way more.

Ariel Landrum 36:28
Yes and I think when it comes to video games and gaming, like it is very much part of my family culture, because my grandma used to play solitaire on her computer. And she knew the code to like cheat. That was her favorite thing was she it would shoot out three cards. But if she didn’t want those three, she pushed this button and we started shooting one card. And she was like, “I always win at Solitaire because I cheat.” And then my dad, he played hearts and and he learned how to play spades. And so those were the games that he would play online. And he had his his online community had like regular usernames he remembered and they even log in and they would know like, oh, it because I guess hearts is a game that you like, have a buddy with or like your partners. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Stefanie Bautista 37:14
Yeah. Never played hearts. I think now that we’re kind of tying it to older generations and how they game. I mean, I know my mom used to play solitaire just with cards. Now she plays it on her phone. She doesn’t bring the cards out anymore. She just plays it on her phone. And ironically enough, when we all went to Disney World a couple years ago, they didn’t want to walk around no more. So all they did was just play on their phones. Which, you know, that’s another layer of gaming too. When we’re talking about Disney and gaming. We play games while we’re in line.

Ariel Landrum 37:45
Oh my gosh, yes. So many times have we played like Heads Up.

Stefanie Bautista 37:49
That’s like a classic TikTok now, where you’re making fun of people who are like Disney adults playing Heads Up. And you know, you can even play with like people who are on the other side of the line.

Ariel Landrum 37:59
Yep.

Stefanie Bautista 37:59
And just get off their game. Play it yourself. Because you are waiting in very long queues, especially at different Disney’s around the world. So you could maybe that’s what the thinking was in this investment. While they’re waiting in line at Disney, why not play a Disney game?

Ariel Landrum 38:18
And I will say that Disney has a game in the park that you can sorta do and…

Stefanie Bautista 38:23
Oh my gosh Disney play. Remember when Galaxy’s Edge open and we were like obsessed with all those little mini games?

Ariel Landrum 38:31
Yes. So my partner and I ran around scanning all these Joe archives to like flip a color for like a team. I it was and it killed our batteries so much.

Stefanie Bautista 38:42
I remember you guys both run out of battery.

Ariel Landrum 38:44
And I have and I have no idea why I don’t eat. I still don’t understand what the goal of the game was. Yeah, was just a novelty. That was really it.

Stefanie Bautista 38:53
Its funny, because I went to that same you know, where they have the bathrooms?

Ariel Landrum 38:57
Yeah.

Stefanie Bautista 38:57
There’s like a QR code. I remember we were there because you were trying to like, get up on some satellite or whatever, like try to change the color. And here I was using the restroom and gonna change a diaper and I’m like, looked over and just the nostalgia of like, “Why did I do that? Why What was the point with that?”

Ariel Landrum 39:14
There was no point.

Stefanie Bautista 39:15
Yeah, that’s the Disneyland app trying to be relevant. Yeah, aside from being you know, an informational tool…

Ariel Landrum 39:21
And a battery and a battery killer…

Stefanie Bautista 39:22
And I think that goes back to what I was saying earlier where it’s like I get it Disney you’re trying to get into everything but it might be a hit or miss. We don’t know.

Ariel Landrum 39:31
Yeah, I really hope it’s a it’s a hit, especially because they invested a lot of money and I’m and given that right now. I’ve had a lot of clients in the tech industry who have been let go. Lots of I mean, lots of companies are just letting hordes of people go hopefully this will open up some some avenue for work because they don’t have a large right now that I’m aware of. Gaming department and and gaming animators, maybe But the individuals from some companies have been let go can can be jumping on these projects.

Stefanie Bautista 40:05
Yeah.

Ariel Landrum 40:06
You know, we’re highlighting there’s opportunity we’re highlighting the gaming allows you to feel community and comfort. We’re highlighting the ways that you can engage in gaming. Like, even it doesn’t even have to be a Disney game. But the place that I love to play Pokemon Go them the most is Disneyland because there’s always enough people to like, take down like a five star raid.

Stefanie Bautista 40:27
Yeah. And you build community. Now you can actually add people who you’ve done raids with, sometimes I’ve done raids, and I’m like, “Who is this person adding me?” And I’m like, “Oh, I think we did a raid together.” So it’s not so scary anymore. But yeah, I remember, I mean, we played Pokemon Go so much in the parks. Just because it’s, it’s easier then then playing around our houses where there’s not too many people, or you have to like, make the effort to go, you could just kind of hit you know, two birds with one stone, essentially.

Ariel Landrum 40:55
When we have to wait in line because we don’t have those, the Genie+, it’s, it’s worth it, it’s worth it. Because we definitely aren’t bored. And we are doing something together. I think individuals who don’t game often they don’t understand that we are interacting with each other, even if we’re not talking.

Stefanie Bautista 41:13
Yeah, it’s definitely just breaking down those barriers. And that stigma of what traditional gamers look like, you know, are like how they act, how they interact with each other, you know, Disney in itself has such a wide range of reach, that they can go ahead and, you know, essentially diminish those barriers, I definitely hope that they listen to what people want and more than what makes the most profit, it will start hopefully, at the youngest level as much as possible, just because, you know, kids are just being introduced to screentime earlier and earlier, and it’s just gonna be part of their lives.

Ariel Landrum 41:53
Yeah, yeah. I think there’s a level of acceptance that needs to be made that this is this is now part of our current generation and future generations culture. It just it like rarely do we think of walking in a room and not seeing a TV now. It’s just part of our culture. I don’t know. I don’t know any hotel that doesn’t have one.

Stefanie Bautista 42:11
Right. Yeah.

Ariel Landrum 42:12
So I think the same thing that comes with with gaming’s with iPad games with mobile devices, not just consoles.

Stefanie Bautista 42:22
Yeah.

Ariel Landrum 42:22
And I think, you know, Disney is more aware of their audience, at least the demographic, so I’d be interested to see the safety measures that they put into place, and how they’re going to create levels of safety. The conversations that I often have my clients’ parents are like their fears around, you know, video game safety. And I certainly know that I’ve stopped using my mic. I have for a long time, I still haven’t felt comfortable turning it on because now I know you can do like voice modulators and like they change your voice and things like that. But still, I’ve never felt comfortable after like the harassment I used to receive. So I understand the importance of creating some safety nets. And I I’d be interested to see how Disney does that for Fortnite.

Stefanie Bautista 43:10
Yeah.

Ariel Landrum 43:11
They’re Fornite.

Stefanie Bautista 43:11
They’re Fornite… If if ish?

Ariel Landrum 43:14
I don’t know. Yeah…

Stefanie Bautista 43:16
Whatever they’re planning.

Ariel Landrum 43:17
I’m a little confused as to whether it is in Fortnite or it is a separate game like Fortnite.

Stefanie Bautista 43:22
Knowing them. It’s probably going to be a separate Fortnite like game.

Ariel Landrum 43:26
Okay.

Stefanie Bautista 43:27
They would they would never I mean, it says Disney X Epic Games, which is like a collaborator.

Ariel Landrum 43:33
Yeah.

Stefanie Bautista 43:34
But not Disney X Fortnite.

Ariel Landrum 43:35
Yeah. Okay. okay.

Stefanie Bautista 43:36
Even though you can I think make skins or get skins that are like Disney.

Ariel Landrum 43:39
Yeah.

Stefanie Bautista 43:41
So, I mean, yeah, you’re absolutely right. I mean, even for like older male gamers, such as my husband, he still gets just nonsense on his headset. And he’s just like, “I’m on your team, man.”

Ariel Landrum 43:52
Yeah, yeah.

Stefanie Bautista 43:53
And through “Oh, just kidding, bro.” And he’s just like, there was literally no reason for that. So I definitely think that, you know, I hope like you that they put some safety measures, because in the virtual world is could be very, very scary. And you know, it will not be welcoming. If you know, those things aren’t put in place. Thinking of the youngest audience, I feel like now that we have the opportunity to say, here are the things that did work. And that didn’t work. We want to try and introduce these things as safely as possible for them so that they have the confidence and ability to want to explore these worlds. We don’t want to burn them out the minute that they get there. I mean, who would want to keep going in a world where they just feel hate and negativity? I don’t think there’s room for that. There’s already so much of it going around in real life that they shouldn’t be experienced that in a contained world.

Ariel Landrum 43:53
And I think that’s one of the reasons why we try to gravitate towards Disney is that escapism is the…

Stefanie Bautista 44:50
And it’s safe.

Ariel Landrum 44:51
And the layers of safety because it’s meant to be family friendly. It’s meant to be light hearted.

Stefanie Bautista 44:57
Yeah. So I really wonder how they’re going to strike that balance. That’s because you got to satisfy the Disney adults, but also know that the little ones are watching too. So, you know, there’s so much more to be said about video games and its evolution. Again, we are not video game experts. But we are just lovers of the video games that we have been exposed to. So if you guys have any other suggestions of video games that you guys love, either before or Now, let us know in our Instagram and our Twitter X and we want to call it anymore…

Ariel Landrum 45:28
The Twitter.

Stefanie Bautista 45:29
The Twitter, the Twitter X, whatever. But yeah, I think the future is going to be interesting.

Ariel Landrum 45:38
Yep, go ahead and DM us @HappiestPodGT.

Stefanie Bautista 45:42
Try out a new game. Tell us how you like it?

Ariel Landrum 45:46
Yeah.

Stefanie Bautista 45:46
Alright everyone. Thank you!

Ariel Landrum 45:47
Bye!

Media/Characters Mentioned
  • Disney Characters
  • Epic Games
  • Wreck-It Ralph
  • Epic Games
  • Fortnite
  • GameWorks
  • The Little Mermaid
  • Aladdin
  • Pokemon
  • Pokemon Go
  • Rock Band
  • Guitar Hero
  • Disneyland
Topics/Themes Mentioned
  • Disney’s Metaverse
  • Gaming Evolution
  • Community Engagement
  • Cultural Impact of Gaming
  • Storytelling in Games
  • Educational Gaming
  • Therapeutic Gaming
  • Handheld Games
  • Generational Gaming
  • Gaming Community
  • Community Building
  • Recovery
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Unlocking The Healing Powers of Play

February 16, 2024 · Discuss on the GT Forum

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#35: Step into a world where play and healing intertwine in Episode 35 of HPOE. Ariel, Stefanie, and special guest Maria delve into the transformative power of play therapy. Discover how Disney villains can become tools for empathy in therapy and how engaging with our favorite stories and characters can foster healing and growth. This episode is a heartwarming journey into embracing our inner child through the magic of play, offering insights for therapists, educators, and Disney lovers alike.

Register for the “Play Therapy: To Infinity and Beyond Conference” taking place at Disneyland and the Dinseyland Hotel from March 5-10th, 2024 here: https://www.anewhopetc.org/playatdisneyland

Summary

Summary of HPOE35: Unlocking The Healing Powers of Play

  1. Introduction (0:03): Ariel, Stefanie, and special guest Maria introduce the episode’s theme, focusing on integrating play in therapy and education.
  2. What is Play Therapy? (0:52): Maria explains the concept and application of play therapy, emphasizing its role in expressing and processing experiences beyond words.
  3. Play vs. Traditional Learning (2:34): Stefanie discusses the importance of play in education, challenging the conventional separation between play and learning.
  4. Play Therapy for Adults (3:17): Maria highlights the effectiveness of play therapy not just for children but for adults as well, particularly in couples counseling.
  5. Villains in Therapy (4:08): Maria shares her niche in using Disney villains as therapeutic tools, fostering empathy and understanding rather than pathologizing.
  6. Integrating Play in Therapy (5:15): Discussion on the diverse methods of incorporating play in therapy, including video games and expressive arts.
  7. Career Path to Play Therapy (6:58): Maria recounts her journey from aspiring to be a math teacher to becoming a play therapist.
  8. The Power of Play (13:03): The hosts and Maria discuss the universal and transformative power of play across different settings and ages.
  9. Disney’s Role in Therapy (16:56): The conversation turns to how Disney media can be utilized in therapeutic settings to facilitate discussion and healing.
  10. To Infinity and Beyond Conference (30:24): Maria talks about her upcoming conference at Disneyland, blending play therapy with the joy of Disney parks.
  11. Reflections on Play (36:29): The group reflects on the importance of play for both therapists and clients, encouraging listeners to find their own ways to play.
Transcription

Ariel Landrum 0:03
Hello, everyone, welcome to the Happiest Pod On Earth. I’m Ariel, I’m licensed therapist who uses clients’ passions and fandoms to help them grow and heal from trauma and mental unwellness.

Stefanie Bautista 0:13
And I’m Stef, I’m an educator who uses passions and fandoms to help my students grow and learn more about themselves and the world around them.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 0:20
And I’m Maria, I’m a licensed marriage and family therapist and registered play therapist who tries to find Disney and pop cultural references in everything for therapy.

Stefanie Bautista 0:29
And here at Happiest Pod, we dissect Disney mediums with a critical lens.

Ariel Landrum 0:33
Why? Because we’re more than just fans, we expect more from the mediums that you consume. So what Disney experience are we talking about today, everybody?

Stefanie Bautista 0:41
Well, we do have a special guest the welcome Maria, thank you so much for being on the podcast with us today. Maria, do you want to share a little bit about what you do as a play therapist? If no one knows what a play therapist is?

Maria Laquerre-Diego 0:52
Sure, sure. So as a registered play therapist with the Association for Play, which is based on in California, I incorporate the powers of play. And often what it comes down to is those moments that we don’t have the words to articulate what we’ve gone through, regardless of age. Play allows us to process and share those experiences with someone who’s trained to interpret play as communication.

Ariel Landrum 1:20
That’s really interesting, because I know, and I’m curious for you, I’m an art therapist, and we have very specific way in which we view art that’s different than using art therapeutically. So how do you use play as a play therapist versus a therapist who plays with their client?

Maria Laquerre-Diego 1:35
A great question, because we don’t just play with our clients. So play therapy is a model that goes on top of and includes your theory of change. So play therapy is a large umbrella, someone might be a narrative play therapist really focusing on storytelling and the powers of story, doing narrative work, but inner weaving their use of play techniques. Or they could be a solution focused play therapist or ecosystemic play therapist, right. So your theory of change will remain in play therapy is just a model that helps make the interventions more fun. And it removes the requirement to be in our brain and in our vocal space. So often, it can be really hard to talk about the hard things. And so having someone trained on the other side of the couch for you, who doesn’t need you to say the words but can give you alternate ways to express those things. That is that’s play therapy.

Stefanie Bautista 2:34
I love that in education play is a big part. But as teachers, it’s always like, “You have to stop playing now. Because we have to learn.” And it’s just like, the kids perspective is always like, “When are we allowed to play when are we going to play?” And I think this way, it’s kind of flipping the narrative a little bit and saying that, you know, we are learning through our play, but not necessarily saying you know, play as like a reward or whatever. Like it’s a way to express yourself in a way to communicate through play, because everybody talks about how body language is so important. That’s very important when it comes to play to because you are then using how you react to certain situations, how you’re interacting with other people, and how you’re doing decision making, as you know, a kid through play. It’s it’s really cool. I really love that.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 3:17
Yeah, great. Yeah. And yeah, play is learning, right? We are learning through play we have from the very I mean, when we think about infants, what what do we do we play peekaboo, right? We talk and sing songy voices that doesn’t need to go away. And so I’m, I’m excited also to talk about like using play with adults because it’s, it’s very much geared and marketed that play therapy is for children. But I use it with adults, I do it in couples counseling. It’s really helpful anytime. You don’t have the words necessarily or it’s too hard to vocalize.

Ariel Landrum 3:50
Well and for any of our listeners who have been listening to our episodes for a while episode 24 When we talked about Disney Villains we actually mentioned Maria and her talking and training on how to use villains and therapy as something that’s affirming as opposed to pathologizing.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 4:08
Love. Thank you so much. Was that from the TAGGS? That has really been my Yeah, no, that is my niche. So while I am very much a play therapist, and I’m very much a Disney fan, my my tend my fandoms tend to be Star Wars, Disney and Marvel except for when it comes to villains and then it’s DC. They’ve got bad guys done right. But yeah, being able to embrace the the power and the authenticity that comes from villains because typically, people who come to my care are not the heroes of their story. They’re usually labeled as the bad guy and are coming to meet for help. And that helps sometimes just turn it into let’s embrace this, you know, sometimes it’s okay to not go with the flow or question what’s always been done and to do things in a different way. Let’s embrace that. And let’s have a lot of fun with it.

Ariel Landrum 5:05
Yeah, I think that’s a really unique way to engage in, you know, play. Are there other new unique ways that you engage in play in your therapy sessions? Or that you think of play therapy?

Maria Laquerre-Diego 5:15
Yeah, I Well, I would say, again, play their visa, a wide variety of things. So here at our center, we do play from everything from expressive arts, to sand tray and sand play, right, using miniatures, and a sand tray setup. But we also, we have two different switch and PS setups in our office, because we do a lot of video game and play. Play can be whatever they’re comfortable with. And we just invite that into our therapy room. That is their language, especially more and more these days, right? Online gaming has gotten such a bad rap for such a long time. I’m old enough to say like, you know, when the internet started, you know, we were all told, like, you know, those aren’t your real friends. You don’t know them, right? Like those relationships aren’t real. And now we have the science to say, “Sorry, Mom and Dad, you’re wrong. Those are real relationships, and they hold real meaning and power in my life.” So yeah, if they’re if their favorite way of gaming is something that we can include, then we absolutely want to invite that in because it tells us so much. Right? This is where they’re spending their time and energy. I want to know about that.

Stefanie Bautista 6:26
Yeah, totally. I know that. Speaking of, you know, going back to when the internet started, and you know, when we were all forming our, you know, what are we going to do? Or what are we gonna do?

Ariel Landrum 6:37
Back in my day the Internet made sounds when you’re logged on?

Stefanie Bautista 6:41
It sure did. And, you know, at that time, I’m sure you know, we were all thinking of what careers we wanted to be when we grow, we grew up. Did you always think play therapy? Or were you just like, “Oh, I interested in therapists?” And play kind of came along as it evolved. Like, how did that journey work for you?

Maria Laquerre-Diego 6:58
I love that, because absolutely not. No. So I mean, up until like, my last year in high school, I thought I was gonna be a math teacher. I married one instead and so.

Ariel Landrum 7:10
Check check check.

And you and you incorporate play with with the math right?

Stefanie Bautista 7:18
Math is everywhere.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 7:19
So can play right play can be everywhere, too.

Stefanie Bautista 7:22
Yup absolutely.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 7:23
So then I went to undergrad and I was like psychology, “I’m interested in people. I like helping people.” And they were like, “It’s all research based.” I was like, “No, I don’t want to do that part.” So I ended up getting my master’s in marriage and family therapy and thought, like, “Yeah, I’m, I’m going to do family work, I’m going to do couples work, I’m going to be able to help, you know, adults be better adults.” You know, because the trickle down effect, right? In my mind, that’s where it was gonna go. I started private practice. And the woman who owned the group was like, “You are fantastic. You should work with kids.” And I was like, “No, thank you. No, thanks. No, I like I like, like the moody teen girls and like adults.” And she was like, “No, no, no, you need to come to a couple plates or trainings with me, and you really don’t like it, then fine, I’ll leave it alone.” That turned into being all in on Play. I’ve served on my like local state board as the president and past president for play therapy. I am now a provider for the Association for play therapy trainings. So I’m like “I’m all in.” But that was not my ideal job when I was like, but now I get to say I play for, like, my job. My job is to talk about villains and Disney and Marvel, and help people heal. I couldn’t have even imagined a job like this existing back before dial up was like old school.

Stefanie Bautista 8:48
I think that’s amazing. And I think that’s just the evolution of education now, and you know, knowing that you can start off wanting one thing, but as life, you know, grows us and gives us new opportunities. All it takes is one person to say, “Hey, I think you’d be really good at this.” And that opens up so many doors, and I love to tell you know, middle schoolers and high schoolers just because you say you want to do one thing and just because you said you wanted to be something when you’re younger, doesn’t mean that you can, you know, not either not achieve it or that’s not what you’re gonna you know, go to but other things will happen in your life. So I think you’re a great example of that.

Ariel Landrum 9:25
Yes, it can be really fear inducing to like change your mind, especially when it comes to like a career path or a decision of like, sustainability in your life. It feels unsustainable to to go off the track that you thought was meant for you. And it sounds like for you, it was really rewarding to have somebody say “Well just experiment, just get get a little try.”

Maria Laquerre-Diego 9:46
Like “No, there’s no lifelong commitment to it, right? Like take a couple of trainings and see if it lands,” and some of the early ones did not land and I was like, “This is crazy talk like this is not for me.” And then you know, being able to live We’re in like, really the base is in the the foundations for play. And then weave my own piece to it right? Like, that’s what we do we take those foundations and then we make them personal to us because that’s that’s where the magic is right? If I don’t believe it, if it’s not coming from my heart, the work that I’m doing is not going to be meaningful and helpful to anybody else. But it can also be really scary because the world is changing so fast. Does everyone want to see a therapist who talks about villains? No, I’m not everyone’s cup of tea, that’s okay. But it’s taken me a long time in my career to be like, “It’s okay, that I’m not the right person.” Because especially in those heat, helping fields, we are so primed to be like, “Help everybody, you need to help everybody be so thankful that everyone that shows up is there to see you.” And it’s like, “I mean, it can be thankful. But if I’m not the right person, this isn’t gonna work.” And then if you are the right person, and you want to come in, and you want to talk about Iron Man having panic attacks, and how that is so applicable to how you are experiencing panic attacks, I’m the girl for that.

Ariel Landrum 11:03
So I’m hearing also, part of the way that you engage in your work is I’m hearing some authenticity. And the other thing that I’m hearing is that that acceptance of the client, even if they’re not your client, right? There isn’t a projecting onto them this expectation. And so this makes me want to ask, does this mean you’re more of a non directive play therapist? And can you explain for the audience with the difference between a directive and non directive one is?

Maria Laquerre-Diego 11:32
But yeah, so play therapy kind of falls into two camps, depending on your theory, non directive is child centered, or person centered. So if you think of Rogerian therapy, right, like the therapy, the client gets to lead the session, and the therapist bears witness, but doesn’t really question or direct the therapy in any way. Then directive would be where they come in, and like, “Hey, we’re gonna do this thing together today. I am leading the session, based on our goals, based on your interests based on where we’re headed, I have worked on what we’re going to do in between, and I’m going to tell you, we’re going to spend some of our time doing this.” I do both.

Ariel Landrum 12:14
Okay okay hybrid.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 12:14
Because I think they’re especially when it’s new, whether it’s play therapy is new to them, or just therapy in general is new, it can be really scary to be like “Here, here’s my giant playroom, you can do whatever you want to do in these rooms.” And I’ll just have people go. Just freeze, right. And like, “This is too much. This is too much.” So we’ll do some initial like information gathering right? First couple of sessions is really kind of set and scripted of like, “I need to gather all this information I want to get to know you.” And then in the in the meat of it. It can be you know, “I had an idea for today. But did you have an idea for today? Because I’m going to defer to where you are because you’ve lived your life in the last week since I’ve seen you. So my idea of where we need to start may not match.”

Stefanie Bautista 13:03
Right.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 13:03
“But if it does cool, I’ve got this path that we can try out. And you can tell me if you like and if it’s fitting or you, tell me what you would like to do today.”

Ariel Landrum 13:11
I know for me, I’m also both in the way that I have my theories are in the way that I practice is that because I have cognitive behavioral therapy as a theory, because insurance will cover it. There’s a lot of direction, lots of worksheets, lots of homework, so that that is me directing. And then in our sessions as a narrative therapist, that’s where my client is more directing, because they’re crafting their story, not me. Stef for you, because you’re an educator, how directive do you have to be with the way that you are running programs? Or is there room for like your students to just kind of run amok?

Stefanie Bautista 13:48
Teachers run on schedules and agendas and things like that, I think it’s more sectioned out a little bit differently. I wish I could dedicate one day to be like, “Hey, you know, you guys are leaving today.” And that would be called Holding Centers for the kids. So you’d be like, “These are math centers. So you know, I have these games for you to play. We’re going to rotate so and so we’re going to do reading centers and literacy centers. So you guys will be you know, reading this one chapter books, you guys will be writing about that.” So it comes in different forms. And as you guys were talking, I’m like, “Oh, we do the same thing. It’s just called something different.”

Yeah, holding centers. That’s beautiful.

Ariel Landrum 14:25
Holding centers. Yeah. So you know, it’s kind of just because it’s us. And you know, our ratios are very different from therapy. It’s a one to like 20 or 27 depending on the school system that you work for. So I think as teachers, you know, an educators you have to be creative about how you hold your spaces, because the ratios are just so massive, you know. And when you do hold spaces for one on one that happens during the larger group doing something else, and then you would be like, “Okay, we’re going to be doing a reading, you know, test today or we’re going to be like assessing you in this certain way.” Um, so yeah, it comes in different ways, but very similar to what you guys do just not exactly. Same, same but different.

No, I love that. I love that sharing of language because now I have I have something that I can ask you more about that. I like that, that that terminology. Because we’re saying like person centered, that’s one person that sounds very student centered still.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 15:24
Talk about systems, right? Like, that’s all the people in whatever system, depending on if you’re going really micro or macro.

Ariel Landrum 15:32
LMFT is an LCSW are very systemic thinking right? Who’se invovled in this child’s life?

Maria Laquerre-Diego 15:37
We want to know all the goods and who has access to this kiddo. But it is that shared language, right? Like, just as we’re experiencing this, this is what play can do. If I can learn the language of their play. I’ve cracked the code, and they don’t have to decipher it for me.

Stefanie Bautista 15:53
It’s very interesting that you said that, because I was just thinking that, you know, when you see your clients, you’re trying to figure things out, right? You’re trying to see, you know, what systems in their life, or, you know, making these outcomes happen. For us, it happens already in front of us. And we have to like go the other way, and figure it out. So if I see, you know, little Sally outside, just hitting every kid that she can possibly. So there’s the behavior. So now that tells me X, Y, and Z. And now I have to backtrack and figure that out to where as you guys kind of already might have known the behavior and are now trying to you know, make those certain connections. So it’s it’s very interesting, different perspectives. And yeah, it’s really cool.

Ariel Landrum 16:34
So what I’m hearing is therapists and educators are engineers.

Stefanie Bautista 16:40
We do it all.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 16:42
Yes.

Ariel Landrum 16:42
And we need are flowers.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 16:43
In you know, the version of cash instead of flowers.

Oh I didn’t know we were going there for this podcast. Yes please.

Stefanie Bautista 16:56
Anyway, as this is a Disney, you know, podcast, and you know, you’re a big fan of Disney just like, oh, we are, how did you feel when you were like, “Oh, my gosh, I can use what I love. In my job.” Was that just kind of like a mind blowing moment for you? Where you were like, “I can make this connection? And it makes sense. And I don’t have to like, stretch for it.”

Maria Laquerre-Diego 17:17
Yes. So I’ll tell you, there was a couple of moments, there was one that I was like, “I already was not a real word already. therapies, everything I watch and consume, right?” Like this natural setting in my brain. Much to the dismay of my family, we always have to do things twice once for the family to enjoy it and then once so that Mommy can like therapy and the crap out of it, right? Yes,

Ariel Landrum 17:38
Are that are you that meme where it was like that? That fictitional therapist is doing something unethical.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 17:46
Yeah, I have all training on fictitious therapists and now the damage that they’re doing? Absolutely.

Ariel Landrum 17:52
That’s another episode we would like t have actually.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 17:57
Yeah, so I was like, Well, I kind of with kids, it’s easy. It’s an easy step, right? Because they’re into like spider man or the Avengers or Ninja Turtles. So it’s easy for me to kind of like weave the storytelling in for kids, because they’re already talking about that. And instead of be going, we’re not talking about Paw Patrol. Today, we’re going to talk about your feelings. We can talk about feelings using Paw Patrol so that they’re still interested in engaged in the get the connection. Right. So that was one moment of like, “Oh, I can I can do this.” And then I had a couple of identify self identify geek adult clients that I was seeing. And I was like, let’s try. Let’s try this. And that went well. And then one other moment was like, “I’m gonna I would put out a training on like, the villain stuff,” right? Because if you’re in the world of, of kind of Geek Therapy, pop culture and superheroes. Sophie Ansari is like my goddess, and I go to her for all things. superheroes and pop culture. Did my own kind of like version of that, and then really was like, oh, people like this. I wonder I wonder if I could get them to like, like villains like I like villains. It is not gonna land for everybody. And I get that and that’s okay. But what if, what if, like two therapists heard me talk about using villains? And we’re like, “Ooh, that sounds interesting.” And I’ve been now doing villain talks for probably two years. And it’s just that I like I seriously I pinch myself and I’m like, I get to spend the day talking about villains and making lightsabers with people like this is my job and I love it.

Ariel Landrum 19:42
Calling back to the earlier conversation. There’s another path that you didn’t expect you would take which is training and then training specifically on a topic and a subject that excites you and training on what I think before your trainings was seen as taboo, like if a child or an adult loves the villain there that gets pathologized are seen as like, “Oh, they’re manifesting this like dark part of themselves.” And you really turn the light on, on the fact that that automatic assumption or automatic belief was not only not helpful, it was not client centered. It was really looking at it through this like very narrow lens, like the Satanic Panic back in the days, right? Like the, and you found more nuance in the subject matter.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 20:26
Yeah, yeah, I think it’s still one of my first three slides is like liking a villain is not pathologizing. And it’s not a diagnosis. You know, and, you know, Marvel doesn’t know, but they’ve come and backed me up. And when we had a whole Loki series, right, like, all based around, and because it’s not because I’m the only person who finds villains interesting, Disney would not just do that, for me. There has to be enough of an interest. And I think that there really is a really, you know, these are stories I’ve been told and consumed, because they’re interesting. And they’re interesting, because they speak to us.

Stefanie Bautista 21:00
Yeah.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 21:01
You know, and so being able to just encourage people to, like, lean in and learn more, instead of being scared and hold these, you know, misbeliefs, or these old ideologies that, you know, villains are the bad guys, I was like, well, it’s all about perspective.

Stefanie Bautista 21:14
And it’s really, you know, focusing on a person as a whole, right, instead of putting them as like, you know, a binary system zero or one like, you know, you’re either good or bad. Like that, in itself is so harmful. And I think, you know, Loki is a great example, because I love that series up and oh my gosh, it’s like my favorite, I could talk about it all day.

Ariel Landrum 21:31
And again, if any of you are just new to our podcasts, or have been listening, in Episode 14, we had another clinician Rachel who talked about trauma adoption and the experience of being an adoptee and a foster care system. And that was Leaning Into Loki’s Journey. So if you want to see that with a new perspective, check out that episode.

Stefanie Bautista 21:53
And now knowing that the series is pretty much, you know, come full circle, and he’s, you know, finished his arc, I think, looking back at that, and those conversations that we had about, you know, his origin and what he’s gone through, is really important to see villains not just as the bad guys, and that there are people who have their own experiences and the decisions that they make. It just contributes to the whole story as a whole human are a whole host superhuman, I guess, a demigod in the sense. But still a person who feels who goes through things who has struggles, and is trying to just figure themselves out just like everybody else.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 22:28
It’s really easy to kind of view it as when someone comes in for help, right? They have one version of their story. And people have been putting assumptions and views on them without having the rest of the information. As therapists we get to sit back and go, “Okay, tell me the rest of the information.” Right. And we know that this is important, right? Like movies like Maleficent and Cruella. Right? Like, those are villain origin stories, it’s the why to why they were behaving that way later on in the storyline, or later on in life, all behavior have an explanation. Being able to embrace the villain side goes, tell me tell me why this is serving you because it’s serving you in some way. Rather than being like stop.

Ariel Landrum 23:14
And talking from that systemic lens and thinking of those villains. It’s the examples of the lack of intervention through pivotal moments, right? Whereas like, we are an example of interventionist interventionist in an individual’s life. If you have an educator that’s caring, if you have a counselor that’s caring, if you have a therapist that’s caring all of these opportunities that can help someone gain essentially growth and understanding or if they’ve experienced trauma, post traumatic growth. And in the cases with some of our villains they have they didn’t have people intervening, they didn’t have the support network or the caring helper.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 23:50
Yeah, well, in so many of them, you know, the other thing we can talk about is like those redemption arcs, are those shifts, right? The you’ve been the villain in the story for so long? Do you want to keep going? Or do you want to share with others the reasoning behind and no longer have that lens? Right? And, you know, I was bringing up Civil War as an example, the MCU Civil War, because those were two groups of heroes battling, you know, so how do you pick a villainous side? And it’s like, well, it was it was really about perspective. And what was important to either of them felt like they were the bad guy, and no, we had two groups of superheroes battling it out.

Ariel Landrum 24:24
And it definitely makes me think of like, with Moana, how we had to Te-Ka and we turned out she was Te Fiti right this whole time. And even though the story wasn’t primarily about her, the redemption was this, like villainizing of this deity and stealing and taking and pillaging like, what ends up happening, and what needs to be created to have repair. And I can’t think of many stories that at least Disney narratives that have a like big baddie not end does a big baddie.

Stefanie Bautista 25:01
I mean, to an extent, like even in Frozen they villainized Elsa. And she was not the villain. She is very much the main character. But they were so threatened by her and her power that that became the villain. And I think that’s what one of the early times that people are like, “Okay, the narrative has shifted a little bit, and we’re not seeing, you know, just like a monster that they have to defeat. It’s really, you know, the perspective again.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 25:26
Yeah no, I love that. And like Moana can easily be used, as you know, as an example of an interventionist, right? She doesn’t need someone to see her for who she was, and be able go, “We we can fix that we can heal that part of you so that you’re no longer raging and destroying.” But that can’t happen until they’re seen, right? Until Mallanna. was able to look you know her in her rage form and say, “Oh, I see you see you and I’m not scared.”

Stefanie Bautista 25:56
Yeah.

Ariel Landrum 25:56
I want to note on something that I think I think for you, there’s some intentionality. And I’m making a big assumption, make a big assumption, but from seeing on the outside, and now that I have you trapped in my podcasts I can ask, I think you you title things intentionally because I think of both your counseling center and I think now of the CE program that’s coming up that I even signed up for. So could you tell me what are this this titling that you do? And what comes into that?

Maria Laquerre-Diego 26:26
Yes, it’s a little tongue in cheek. So my parents would probably tell you that while I was a very bright and very social child, I also had a love for the sarcasm. That didn’t go away with age, I think I just got like more rooted and permanent with age. So when we bought the group practice, it was named after the previous owner, and I was like, “We need a new name. I don’t want my name because my name is long and convoluted, depending on which system I’m in.” And so I actually sat with my husband, and I was like, “I want something that’s like nerdy for those that get it, get it. But it’s also like, if you didn’t know it was the counseling name like that would also..”

Ariel Landrum 27:04
If you know, you know,

Stefanie Bautista 27:05
If you know, you know, yep, yep, yep. Yep.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 27:08
So we played around and like, I’m also a very, very big fan of Firefly, but Serenity Counseling is like overly saturated in the market. And I didn’t want that. And so he was like, “What about A New Hope?” “Oh, done, done, done, done, done. Let me find the registration name. The domain name is mine now. Yes, yes. Let’s play with that.” You know, and paying homage but not stealing, because it’s not my information. But yeah, if you look on our website, there’s lots of love to all things fandom from our blogs. You know, some of our logo work, to even like our headshot pictures. If you go through, pick out a therapist, they all have their fandoms like displayed in their photo with them. I have really fun headshots with my lightsaber in my dual bladed dark gray lightsaber. And then yeah, and then so my next thing was like, “I wonder if I could get away with doing some learning and training and some playing at Disney? How do I make these few things work? Legitimately. And also, because I would like to go to Disney with a bunch of other like nerdy therapists and like, just have fun.”

Ariel Landrum 28:28
And for our SoCal audience, she does mean Disney Land, not Disney World. So there’s a big divide between the Disney’s, so this is the Disneyland not the Disney World. Within the community. It’s drama. It’s drama every.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 28:44
Love to both love.

Stefanie Bautista 28:46
Right love to both.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 28:47
Disneyand was just an easier navigation for this first time out of like, “How do you do parks and learning and not like run people ragged or lose them to the parks?” Because…

Ariel Landrum 29:00
When you have to take a boat into your park. Yeah I get it.

Stefanie Bautista 29:03
You will lose them. It’s a world not a land.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 29:05
I can’t have a conference happening at Disney and “Go but you cannot go to the parks. You must stay here and listen to me talk.” I mean, that’s just crazy talk. So yeah, so this Play Therapy: To Infinity and Beyond conference happening at Disneyland is my attempt to blend the play and the learning through play with the lecture that is required by all of our licensing boards. Pre COVID con going to conferences used to be super fun. Like I remember just having so much fun while learning and getting to network and connect with people and feeling that energy in the room. And I haven’t been to anything like that since COVID happened so even returning to in person it’s just like we’re trying to pack in so much in the short amount of time. That I was like I want dedicated time to play in the parks like go play. If you’re a rope dropper, awesome. If you’re there for the night scene cool. Go go play, do one little piece of learning while you’re in there that will use the next day during lecture. But one you can’t go to Disney and not play like that just seems super silly. But two learning it should be fun.

Ariel Landrum 30:24
Yes.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 30:24
Learning should be fun. Yes, that’s required for our licensing boards. And yes, it’s required for professional development in the better of what we’re doing with our brains. But I want to have fun doing. And so yeah, I was like, I’m just gonna, I’m just gonna throw this together and put it out there and see if there’s anybody else who wants to like claim a Disney conference for work. And come and have fun with me.

Stefanie Bautista 30:48
That is the best.

Ariel Landrum 30:50
And how many attendees Do you have signed up right now?

Maria Laquerre-Diego 30:52

  1. We’ve got a nice group of 30 people coming.

Stefanie Bautista 30:56
That’s amazing. I mean, the first time Ariel told me about this, I was like, “What? Wait a minute. So you’re saying that I work with children. And in order for me to be successful in that I should also be a child for a day.” That makes too much sense. I wish more education conferences happened at Disneyland. I’m just putting it out there for anybody who’s listening that’s in charge of these things, but the therapists are doing it right. So we should take notes.

Ariel Landrum 31:24
We are doing some play in the park. One of the things that we were curious, because I don’t think you’ve been to Disneyland since it’s been revamped. Since it’s been renovated, correct?

Maria Laquerre-Diego 31:34
I was there in March

Ariel Landrum 31:36
Of last year?

Maria Laquerre-Diego 31:37
Yeah.

Ariel Landrum 31:38
So I don’t think Toontown would have been renovated then did it?

Maria Laquerre-Diego 31:40
Yeah, I was there just like right after opening weekend, so I get did get to visit Toontown and do the runaway railcar.

Stefanie Bautista 31:48
Okay, okay. So what are your thoughts specifically because I and I want Stef to share because she has littles Toontown is more expansive now. I think it is very catered towards getting your wiggles out. So for you, is there a thought of that in for the conference or consideration and then Stef? I’m curious for you, how has it been for you with the kids and having that more expansive space?

Yeah, I mean, for me, having littles at the park, I was like, “Oh, my gosh, if I need my little one to run around, where do they do that?” And I was trying to find specific pockets in the park to have them just run loose. And I found this like little indent where I think the characters come out in Cars Land, where I could just corral my child and let him run around. But it was so small, it was literally an employee entrance. And I was like, “This is safe. This is not you know, anything where I’m going to lose them. They can go one way or the other. I have like full vision of them.” And I was like, “Why don’t we have more of these spaces?” And I think that was right, as Toontown was getting renovated, and then they opened it up and I was like, “Oh my gosh, a play area. Why didn’t they have this before that’s what was missing an actual playground because, you know, we go to the parks, we you know, go to a playground, they have a play structure, all that stuff. Disneyland didn’t quite have something like that Toontown was just very much like the other lands where you know, they have the open space for you to walk through park stroller, but you go into whatever attraction are going to but knowing that attraction is probably full has a waitlist, you have to be on Disney, you know, Genie+ all that stuff. It’s just not ideal to just have your kid run around. So I was very happy with the expansion because I remember being a kid when Toontown first opened they did have those play places but they weren’t really too friendly for like the little littles which I had, I’d have a one and a three year old so definitely need to get their wiggles out so that we can get on the ride later on.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 33:43
I love that yeah, it think you know Disney is great at doing like their immersive experience, right? So Galaxy’s Edge for me it was one of the first times that I was like, “We are not in California anymore like right?” And they do they do that wonderfully but they they’ve done that so much catered towards adults. Right. I think Toontown now is really what what that is but for children where it started right like Disney was was meant for children there you know, there’s no shame in being a Disney Adult but like, originally it was it was a place for families to bring their kids to play. But it was very became very quickly became like stand in this line. Do this ride. Stand in this line do this ride. But things would like Galaxy’s Edge, Avengers you know Avengers Campus and now Toontown I think it’s more of like really immersive you can play while not being in line while being in line. You know, can I even think about like the long lines for like the Indiana Jones Right? Like it’s interactive in pieces. But this I think was really helpful for them to go. “What do the little ones need? Right? Because we got the Disney Adults on hook. They’re the ones footing the bill to come? Well, like how do we How’d you let these little ones whose attention spans are much smaller still really enjoy being here? Because we want them to come back?” And I think that was their answer to that.

Stefanie Bautista 35:10
Yeah, I’m definitely thinking that these Imagineers are now our age have kids of their own. I was like, Something’s missing here because I am too stressed out to be at the parks.”

Maria Laquerre-Diego 35:22
If you think about, like, you know, taking a little one from like, one ride line to another line line to another, like you don’t get to, like, enjoy, whereas the you can walk around Galaxy’s Edge and just like enjoy the ambiance and the walkthroughs. And so being able to see that expand, you know, and they’ve got Avengers Campus now, right where you can do similar things. But, ya know, in terms of like the conference, I mean, one of my hopes and directives is like getting them to go to Toontown as an adult, and play in that giant, you know, play structure and take some pictures, I’ve been trying to lift the weights or break out of the window bars. Because it can still be easy to be an adult at Disney. And the whole point of this is like, we’re gonna go back and like capture our, our, our child’s heart and let that play at Disney. Because yes, you can be an adult at Disney and do all of the adult things and have a great time. And I’m hoping that they tap into like their child’s heart and go look at this for the first time and just experience the wonder and play and like, what is that doing for you?

Stefanie Bautista 36:29
And that vulnerability to just have fun. I think my favorite thing is when I’m at Toontown and they have that slide where it’s a bunch of little rolly pins or like like rolly things, every adult that I’ve seen that goes on there goes into it with such glee and then they come out of it like my back my butt oh my god every and then some people go ahead and do it for a second time. And it’s really hilarious because you you let that go you actually give yourself space to enjoy and you know, be a Disneyland to play.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 37:01
Well and play can look so different. Right? So I mean, my my friends listening to this now go Maria is the one who’s like, “Here’s our agenda. I’ve got our lightning leads, I’ve got our Genie+,” like I am, but that is my playful side like I will do that and that brings me joy and then I will drop everything when Maleficent walks by or Kylo Ren and like I am all in. And so maybe your play is thrill seeking and you’re trying to get all of those lightning lanes and you know doing Guardians and doing Incredicoaster. Maybe your play is just being aware of your surroundings and realizing and enjoying the fact that you’re not answering emails, you’re not in your office, you’re able to watch other people right like who’s not a people watcher at Disney. You’re able to watch other families you know, have fun and maybe that connects to something that you’re trying to heal still or that you’ve forgotten. Yeah, so I love you know, Disney. There’s so many ways to play at Disney, not just the rides. That I love that they’re kind of expanding that with Toontown and I hope hope it continues in that way.

Stefanie Bautista 38:07
I mean, you were just mentioning different ways to play what’s your favorite way to play at Disneyland? Like what’s your thing?

Maria Laquerre-Diego 38:12
I’m very much a rides thrill seeker I love the Guardians love the in Incredicoaster. When I’m not at Disney I’m still like Disney Dreamlight Valleying on my thing. I am the one who is like doing cosplay or Disneybounding with my ears unabashedly I’ve ever really gotten comfortable on like plays important and it’s okay if I look silly doing it. But yeah, I would say probably those those thrill seekers and then like grabbing those lightning lanes and Genie+ things like that I get such a like little giggle when I’m like we got it.

Ariel Landrum 38:53
Like a lottery win.

Stefanie Bautista 38:56
It is it is a game sometimes a cruel game because you’re like, “The schedule just didn’t go in my favor,” but but if you is such a delight when you get all the ones that you want, because you’re just like, “Dang what a win.”

Ariel Landrum 39:09
Stef, what’s your favorite way to play at the park?

Stefanie Bautista 39:12
I mean, different phases of my life. Right? Like I’ve been going to Disneyland like regularly since I was probably you know, a little one. I was. Yeah, true blue Angeleno. I mean Toontown when it was just open I remember going there and it looking wildly different so when it was much more affordable Of course, you know, just to play at the parks just have that time with my family that’s not in you know the house and just me being a kid. But I think you know, as a teenager I want a lot with my now husband and we experienced different ways to play at the park one day we would just people watch one day we just spent on Main Street just like going into the little shops and like looking at all the little details because you could just do that and not have like a ride heavy day. Um Being a foodie at the parks, that’s definitely my thing, trying all the new things because now they’ve they’ve heard us because we spend the money for all of the things. So definitely being a foodie dressing up at the parks, that’s one of my favorite. I think now in the season of having children, I think it’s just, you know, giving them opportunities with my expanse of knowledge. That is a learning curve in itself. Because you know, you want to do all these things. But the limitations be like, you know, what I could just focus on one thing we could just focus on, It’s A Small World, and just have them write it over and over and over again, so that they have that wonder, and that’s okay. And that was something that I had to learn for myself that I don’t have to do a full, you know, rope drop to park close to both parks at the same time, we could just focus on one area and just let them explore that. And I think that’s rediscovering Disney as you know, not just an adult, but a parent, too, is definitely you know, a way to play as well. It’s a game.

Ariel Landrum 41:00
Stef is the one who got me to start going to Disney fairly regularly. Because before then the only time I had gone was like twice when I was a kid. And as military brat is because I was not even in this continent. I was not here. So my favorite way because it’s from the perspective, I think of like an adult is I either try to get my money’s worth, which, you know, I’ve learned like you’ve already spent the money there’s no way to get your money’s worth. But psychologically I feel like there is trying to pack things up, or it’s food oriented, and it’s so much food oriented now that I’ve like gotten into niche Disney fandom communities where they like mix different foods from different carts. And it’s like, I want to get the bread from a Maurices. And like fill it with the the meat from this cart and like make my own sandwich. Like it is now the Yeah, I think it’s food related and then seeing how I can individualize the experience as as if no one else has done it before even though I learned it from a Tiktok.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 42:07
I love that and you know, finding like the hidden gems like you know, I we went to The Beast’s Library for the first time this this past March, and we had been like four times in the last four years. But that was the first time I was like, God, I’m not, I’m not just chasing down the rides like I want the experiences to so doing like Crush Talk, and then the library are super fun. But Ariel, you must be delighted that the conference is happening during the Food and Wine Fest.

Ariel Landrum 42:32
I’m so excited, I will be getting the Sipper Pass. Now as some of the audience members who’ve listened, no, I’m allergic to alcohol. So I will just be doing the food part. But if my partner is able to come one of the days, I’ll probably get both and he can try the wine and I’ll try the food.

Stefanie Bautista 42:49
If not, I mean I can volunteer as tribute and just drink all your thing. It’s not like I’m pregnant. Anyway.

Ariel Landrum 42:55
Speaking of the conference, so our audience members are aware. Again, it is the Play Therapy: To Infinity and Beyond. And it is taking place at Disneyland from March 5 through the 10th 2024. So if you’re listening to this another year, you missed it sorry. It includes an immersive journey to play therapy, training on innovative techniques and tools and includes virtual reality and digital play. And the conference is designed with just a wide range of therapists. So they’re going to focus on positive psychology, on tools for telehealth, and of course, include cultural considerations and family play. And there will be days that occur in the park as well as convention days at the Disneyland Hotel.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 43:38
It’s gonna be so fun. And if you are listening to this, and it’s past our March dates, just know we are looking at 2026 for another one.

Ariel Landrum 43:50
Okay!

Stefanie Bautista 43:50
Love that. Yeah, we are planning ahead, y’all!

Ariel Landrum 43:53
But if this is before March, you can sign up at ANewHopeTC.org/PlayAt Disneyland. So one more time, ANewHopeTC.org/PlayAt Disneyland. This was wonderful. Thank you, everybody.

Maria Laquerre-Diego 44:12
Thank You. Thanks for having me. This was so fun.

Ariel Landrum 44:14
Absolutely. When we will definitely be tapping you on future podcasts because I feel like we have so much more to talk about.

Where can our audience follow and find you?

Maria Laquerre-Diego 44:22
Yeah, so our website is ANewHopeTC.org We’re on Facebook, Instagram @ANewHopeTC.

Ariel Landrum 44:32
Beautiful, and as always, you can follow Happiest Pod on Instagram and I still call it Twitter. But apparently it’s x. And it is @HappiestPodGT. Again, @HappiestPodGT. And you can go to GeekTherapy.org to follow all of our episodes and blog posts.

Stefanie Bautista 44:51
And I encourage in the spirit of play everybody try to find their way to play this week, wherever you are. All right. Thank you everyone.

Ariel Landrum 44:57
Thanks everyone. Bye bye

Media/Characters Mentioned
  • Disney Villains
  • Spider-Man (Marvel)
  • Avengers (Marvel)
  • Ninja Turtles
  • Paw Patrol
  • Loki (Marvel)
  • Maleficent (Disney)
  • Cruella (Disney)
  • Moana (Disney)
  • Elsa (Frozen, Disney)
Topics/Themes Mentioned
  • Play Therapy
  • Education Through Play
  • Disney and Therapy
  • Villains as Therapy Tools
  • Adult Play Therapy
  • Career Change to Play Therapy
  • Integrating Play and Learning
  • Disney Parks as Therapeutic Spaces
  • Cultural Impact of Disney Characters

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Styling for Dapper Day

April 22, 2023 · Discuss on the GT Forum

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#32: Join cohosts Ariel and Stefanie on their journey for Dapper Day outfits. Immerse yourself in the world of Dapper Day at Disneyland as they explore everything from dressing tips and theme ideas to personal experiences and the pursuit of the perfect outfit pieces. Dive into discussions on vintage fashion, body acceptance, and privilege as they talk about stepping out in style.

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Summary

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Summary

  • What is Dapper Day? 0:10
    • Dapper Day at Disneyland.
    • Step out in style.
    • Disneyland Dapper Day Expo

  • Dressing for Dapper Day 5:23
    • Disney Bounding is when they use color blocking.
    • Choosing a theme.
    • The value of being complimented on Dapper Day.
    • Different elements of a Dapper Day outfit.
    • Think good and hard about footwear.

  • Ariel and Stef’s Dapper Days of the Past 8:42
    • Ariel bought socks to wear with her heels due to the pain of walking all day.
    • Different park preparation from 20-year-old years to 30-year-old years.
    • Flamingo-themed dress, floral-themed dress, tiki-themed dress, and Moana-themed dress.
    • Tips for where to take pictures in the park.
    • A short girl solution to short girl problems.
    • The many theme ideas for Dapper Day.

  • Ideas for Dapper Day 14:46
    • The Disney Dress Shop in Downtown Disneyland.
    • The difference between making costumes and curating an outfit.
    • Flexibility and intentionality are needed when deciding to go vintage or retro.
    • Embracing culture.
    • Filipino formal wear of The Barong Tagalog, The Terno, and The Maria Clara.

  • On A Mission for Dapper Day Outfit Pieces 22:26
    • Searching Amazon for Dapper Day themed outfit ideas.
    • On a mission for the perfect pair of white boots.
    • Trying to attain that perfect look, even when it hurts.
  • Ariel Does a Star Wars Disneybound for Spring Dapper Day 2023 30:09
    • The fine line between replica and upgraded outfit.
    • Wait, are they getting married?
  • Dress To Your Comfort Level 34:58
    • Acknowledging the element of privilege in participating in Dapper Day.
Accepting the changes to your body.
    • Stepping out or staying in your comfort zone.
    • Attending the Expo instead of the Park to enjoy Dapper Day.
    • Catch Stef and Ariel at San Diego Comic-Con for three different panels.

Transcription

Ariel Landrum 0:10
Hello, everyone, welcome to the Happiest Pod on Earth. I’m Ariel. I’m a licensed therapist who uses my clients passions and fandoms to help them grow and heal from trauma.

Stefanie Bautista 0:20
And I’m Stef, I’m an educator who uses passions and fandoms to help my students grow and learn about themselves and the world around them.

Ariel Landrum 0:26
And Happiest Pod is where we dissect Disney mediums with a critical lens.

Stefanie Bautista 0:32
Why do we do this? Because we’re more than just fans, we expect more from the mediums that we consume, especially from Disney. So Ariel, what Disney experience are we discussing today?

Ariel Landrum 0:42
We’re gonna talk about Dapper Day.

Stefanie Bautista 0:47
It has been a minute since we’ve talked about anything. And right before we started recording this, I was 100% shocked that we haven’t talked about tougher day before, because it’s one of our annual traditions, I guess biannual because it happens twice a year, right? Yeah. And it’s one of the things that me and Ariel love doing at the parks. It’s one of the things that brought us together as best friends. And so I’m just like, “Why haven’t we talked about this befire?”

Ariel Landrum 1:14
Exactly! Stef, what is Dapper Day?

Stefanie Bautista 1:17
So Dapper Day. And this is open to interpretation, right? Everybody who’s listening, I know you guys have probably heard seen, or maybe even had friends who participated in Dapper Day, it’s a chance for everybody to come dressed at the park in their best outfits. So as you all know, Disneyland opened in 1955. And in 1955, the fashion was completely different. Everybody was in dresses, men wearing in suits. Even little kids didn’t wear athletic wear. They basically wore really cute things to the park, it was as if they were going out to a special event.

Ariel Landrum 1:51
And the park was more like a park, right? The rides were not as extreme as they are now.

Stefanie Bautista 1:58
It was more like going to a park that had amusement rides, much like a carousel at Griffith Park or pony ride or something like that. So basically, Dapper Day is a way for retro enthusiast, fashion enthusiast, and Disney fashion enthusiast to come together. It dressed up and their best in the park and basically takes a million pictures. Because you when you’re dressed up to the nines like that you’re not really wanting to you know, mess up your hair on Splash Mountain RIP. But you want to just show out and step out and I think the official theme is ‘Step Out in Style,’ right? So that is basically Dapper Day. It happens twice a year, once in the spring and once in the fall. And since then it’s expanded to different events either at museums or local gardens and they also now have Dapper Day at Epcot in Disney World and they also have it in Disneyland Paris as well.

Ariel Landrum 2:50
So started by the fans and now when we say if is it is it actually officially recognized by Disney or is it like unofficially officially because I remember when you introduced me to it this was back in like 2017 I believe it was like unofficially recognized by Disney in that Mickey would come out and like his like best dress and like his dapper wear on that day. So it was like a nod that they knew was Dapper Day, but it wasn’t featured on their website. It wasn’t acknowledged in the sense that it was an event sponsored, covered or approved by Disney.

Stefanie Bautista 3:23
Right. So here’s the thing. They hold the Dapper Day Expo, which is basically like they’re Dapper Day at Comic Con, have you, in the Disneyland Hotel and they have all these vendors and they sell dapper where they still have they get they do your hair, they sell shoes, all the things that you need to make up an outfit. They have performances, all that stuff, everything that’s like very retro. And they hold that at the Disneyland Hotel and they sell merchandise that says Disneyland Dapper Day or Disney Parks Dapper Day. When I visited Epcot last year. They even had a booth that was in Epcot right in front of I think where the America section was, and that booth had Dapper Day merchandise although we don’t see it on the parks and tickets. It’s not a ticketed event. So it’s not like it would be on the website as a ticketed event like Oogie Boogie Bash would be I feel like it’s recognized by the parks but I don’t think it’s owned by the parks if that makes sense.

Ariel Landrum 4:17
Okay.

Stefanie Bautista 4:18
Yeah, correct me if I’m wrong everyone but I thought these are just my observations.

Ariel Landrum 4:22
Yes. And I haven’t seen anything like on the website I feel like we follow enough Disney influencers that if it became like an officially recognized like announced thing by Disney, we would have seen it all over Instagram as like “Breaking news!”

Stefanie Bautista 4:39
And to be quite honest with you, I don’t feel like that’s necessary because it is such a casual, casual but you’re not looking casual event where people just come dressed to the park. It’s not like you have character meet and greets. You don’t have like special theme food like they’re not going to serve your hot dog from the 1950s. But they have been incorporating some of those elements into everyday Park life. For example, you find the retro popcorn bucket in different places at the park in California Adventure, they have performances by a swing band, and they have, you know, things that called back to that era, but not necessarily needing to section out the whole day in order to have the event because it is so casual.

Ariel Landrum 5:24
Yes. And when it comes to dapper, it’s really what you define as dapper. So some people will pick an era like the 1950s, or 1960s, or 1970s. Some people will do a Disneybound. I talked about this in episode before. But if you don’t remember Disneybounding is when you use colorblocking to denote that you are representing a Disney character without actually having a costume. And so we’ll see a lot of people were like very fancy dresses that are red and blue and wait and be there Snow White, and sometimes the theme is just whatever you want. So my first like Dapper Day that I did matching a partner was I was lemons. And that was that was the theme was I had this dress that I bought from Unique Vintage that I’d owned for like two and a half years that I never worn. So and it had lemons on it.

Stefanie Bautista 6:13
And it was a hit. It was a whole hit. How many compliments did you get? I couldn’t even remember, you got so many everybody loved lemons, and they loved just the way you and your partner coordinated. It was very cute and very summery. And I think it was the spring one. So it was very well put together. Bravo, bravo.

Ariel Landrum 6:34
Thank you. Thank you.

Stefanie Bautista 6:35
And another thing you always kind of know, and this is like a side note that you did a good job when people compliment you at the park.

Ariel Landrum 6:42
Yes.

Stefanie Bautista 6:43
It gives you a sense of like that you’re like, “Oh, yes, I did it.” If somebody recognize you as a character if you’re Disneybounding. Or if they say, “Oh my gosh, I love your hair or your shoes,” or whatever. People talk to each other at the parks all the time. But when they give specific compliments like that, I think that’s what’s special about Dapper Day is because you know you made an effort and for people recognizing that effort, it brings that sense of community to the event.

Ariel Landrum 7:04
Even with the Disney Bounding this Dapper Day, we met up with our friend who is a psychologist, Dr. Elizabeth Han and, and her husband, Benji Han, and they were Aladdin and Jasmine. And it was awesome, because all of the other crew that you would see in that movie. So we saw Jafar, we saw The Genie, they would run up to them and be like, “Can we take a picture with you?” And because they knew who you were, and you knew who they were.

Stefanie Bautista 7:32
Yeah. And shout out to Liz and Benji, they did such a great job on that Disneybound. Oh my gosh, perfect. And they look great throughout the day,

Ariel Landrum 7:40
Some people will just buy things and put things together. Some people will like go through their closet, Elizabeth, she dyed her gloves and like her scarf to match the specific color of Jasmine’s outfits. So go all out, go big. You know, keep it tiny, keep it close to your closet, whatever it is, ends up being just a lot of fun to step into Dapper Day.

Stefanie Bautista 8:01
Yeah, there’s different elements of putting your outfit together. And that is one of the parts of preparing for the parks that is a little bit different when it comes to Dapper Day. Of course, like as Ariel mentioned, it’s either you’re gonna go down the Disneybound route, or you’re just gonna go down the vintage route. Either one is fine. One of the lessons early on that both me and her found out was to really think good and hard about your footwear. Because if you’re planning to stay at the parks all day, if you don’t have the leisure of having a hotel nearby, you’re basically commuting over there and you’re gonna stay there the whole day until you feel like you’ve gotten the most out of your park day. But if you’re wearing heels, it will cut your day short as we have found out in the past, right?

Ariel Landrum 8:42
Yes, yes. I think this was the Dapper Day in 2018 maybe?

Stefanie Bautista 8:47
Yeah.

Ariel Landrum 8:48
Oh, no wait, maybe it was 2016. Maybe we started going in 2016, not 17?

Stefanie Bautista 8:52
It was the first one that you and I have done together because I have done one before with my husband. But…

Ariel Landrum 8:57
He was deployed!

Stefanie Bautista 8:57
Yeah, he was deployed at the time. So I picked a very simple dress. I think it just had flowers on I did my hair. But you had a beautiful green dress on.

Ariel Landrum 9:05
Yeah teal green. And it had little flowers around the waist and had a parasol.

Yes, yes. And you also I think there was elements of tulle? Tulle?

Yes, yes, there’s tulle on top and I even had like a tulle, tiny hat. But we took it off after a while because it was it was getting in the way. And then I wore these heeled shoes with like buttons on them. And three hours into the day my feet were hurting, but we were just we just kept going. We just kept going and then by the time it hit like actual dark because we got there at 10 I believe my feet were bleeding basically. And we had no band aids and we ended up going to the Disney store and I bought Ariel the mermaid socks because I happen to be similar color theme. And they were tall socks. And it looked like I was wearing stockings. So it was fine and that like really helped with my feet for the rest of the evening. But man, I don’t know who I thought I was I don’t ever wear heels like ever. So the fact that I thought I could flouts around for again Disneyland!

Stefanie Bautista 10:08
I think they were like Mary Janes. So the heel was maybe no more than two inches I think?

Ariel Landrum 10:14
Yeah, they were short.

Stefanie Bautista 10:15
However the terrain of Disneyland is still concrete. It’s like wood, it is stone. It is not pillows. So if you don’t have like an insole, or if you don’t have an extra pair of flats or like slippers or something, which now in our 30s, we have because we were in our 20s. And again, who did we think we were? Because I had shoes, and I stuck it out. I don’t know how I did that. And not only does the clover anything.

Ariel Landrum 10:49
You did really good.

Stefanie Bautista 10:50
I did. But I remember having blisters, like really bad blisters. And of course, this was 2016 or whatever. I was much lighter. I was probably a little bit more fit. So I could hold my strength a little longer, but…

Ariel Landrum 11:03
Pre pre kiddos.

Stefanie Bautista 11:04
Pre kiddos, all of that stuff. Now. Even if I have sneakers, my feet are dying. But yeah, like I think that’s one of the learning lessons. And even though we went through that experience, I think it made us want to improve the next time because the next time do you remember what your outfit was?

Ariel Landrum 11:24
I believe this next outfit was flamingos. My theme was flamingos. And I had flamingos all over my dress and a flamingo purse. Yes, yes. I don’t remember the shoes at all. But I don’t remember any pain that year. So they must not have been they must have been flats. I think this is I think from the room after that all of my shoes have been flats with the exception of this year.

Stefanie Bautista 11:46
I think I did flats too. That was the one where I did a tiki theme.

Yes. And I shoved you in a bush.

Yes, she shoved me in a bush. She actually likes doing it. You do show me the bush the first time also, but you shoved me in another bush this time.

Ariel Landrum 11:58
Yes. Yes. Yes.

Stefanie Bautista 11:59
And it’s always the same bush. It’s the one right outside the Tiki.

Ariel Landrum 12:02
Yes. Yes, it is. Yes, it is. And this was before they expanded it with that outdoor eating area.

Stefanie Bautista 12:07
Yeah, yeah. So as we’re waiting for the Enchanted Tiki Room, which we always tend to do during Dapper Day. I don’t think we did that this past time. But yeah, like that bush is always like really good for pictures if you ever want to take really cool tropical pictures. That was a day that I think I wore flats too. And I think we came out on top that day.

Ariel Landrum 12:25
I even remember I had flip flops with me. So I remember because I can I can see in my mind’s eye now that they were these brown ones that I’ve gotten since rid of, but the dress was so long, you really couldn’t see my feet. It didn’t really matter what shoes I work.

Stefanie Bautista 12:38
You know what? That’s not Short Girl Problems. That’s Short Girl…

Ariel Landrum 12:42
Solutions!

Stefanie Bautista 12:43
Solutions! Exactly. Exactly.

Ariel Landrum 12:46
And your dress it was it was black. And it had floral theme, correct?

Stefanie Bautista 12:51
No, this one was actually the the other version of it. It was green and it had like tiki print on it. It was a skirt. And then I had a like cream colored blouse. And then we’re really big flower in my hair.

Ariel Landrum 13:04
You were you were Moana?

Stefanie Bautista 13:05
Not that year. That was a different year.

Ariel Landrum 13:08
That was another year?

Stefanie Bautista 13:09
That year AJ came back.

Ariel Landrum 13:10
Okay.

Stefanie Bautista 13:10
So my husband came back from deployment. And then we were Moana and Maui. But this one was just like a tiki theme. It was the one that had like these 50s sunglasses, and then you shoved me in another bush. I’ll show you a picture later. But we will also in attachment to this when we post about this episode, we will have pictures of all of our Dapper Days of past because we’ve had quite a collection now.

Ariel Landrum 13:31
And because it happens twice a year, that’s the other component is it’s like “Oh, was this spring or fall?”

Stefanie Bautista 13:39
As like, “Did I bring a jacket or did I not bring a jacket?” In spring, it gets pretty hot. Like I know we’ve had a very late winter this year. So it did get pretty cold like both in the morning and in the evening. But before it used to get really hot and so you’d be sweating, your hair would be melting. And you always just admire the ladies who just like have helmets on like they basically hairspray the crap out of your head. And it just stays perfect until like the end. I don’t know how they do that.

Ariel Landrum 14:10
I’ve seen the most elaborate hats. One specifically sticks out one year where somebody’s theme was they were the tiki room. And their hat was a headpiece that had one of the birds inside a cage. And I was just like, what, how do you do this and it all handmade. And this is around the time where you introduced me the actual Expo that they were having. And I started going there and you could buy pieces at the Expo. And a lot. It seems like a lot of people who are vendors or have relationship with the vendors, they tend to make more of their outfits. They aren’t piecing things together that they found they’re creating things.

Stefanie Bautista 14:46
When you’re thinking about putting your outfits together you are thinking like “Am I going to theme this?” If you are Disneybounding you’re going to theme it after movie. You can theme it after a ride you can theme it after the whole Disneyland park you can be with after California Adventure if you want and I think people who have been putting these outfits together have done such a great job. And with the help of social media Dapper Day, the hashtag of Dapper Day, if you just look it up, it has a million ideas. Now Disney has caught on with the idea of not just letting the fans find these pieces, but actually marketing and making these pieces. Hence the opening of the dress shop that you see in Downtown Disney. When you go inside the parks, you’re gonna see 50s 60s themed clothes, whole dresses that have different elements of them popping up. I remember the first time that they tried doing this was the tiki room.

Ariel Landrum 14:48
Yeah.

Stefanie Bautista 15:11
And like legit, everybody has this damn dress.

Ariel Landrum 15:38
Everyone was wearing this Tiki Room dress made by a Disney officially sold and made by Disney.

Stefanie Bautista 15:43
Great effort Disney in trying to relate. But when it becomes sort of a uniform, it kind of loses its pizzazz a little bit. So I feel like now they’ve like offered different like varieties of what they have at the dress shop. It is at a higher price point. I know if you like just go vintage shopping or if you you know do the extra work kind of like when you’re doing cosplay, right? There’s a difference between getting a costume that’s made for Halloween and using that for Comic Con or whatever, comic book convention. And there’s a difference between putting everything together curating it, finding those pieces and then kind of making it your own. So depends on whichever route you want to take. But there is flexibility but also know that Disney is trying to capitalize a little bit on it.

Ariel Landrum 16:26
Yes, yes. And then if you’re trying to instead replicate like an era and do something more vintage or even retro, that is a little bit trickier if you are buying replicated pieces because you already know the replicated and if you are trying to go actual vintage, there’s the expense portion but there’s also will it last?

Stefanie Bautista 16:48
Or really fit? women’s bodies now are so different from they were before when I used to have illegal vintage shopping I had to really consciously think about my body and how women’s bodies were thought of back then and how they fit into me now so it wasn’t like if I found a piece that was like a large it’s not like saying I was had gained weight or whatever because I normally wear a medium. It’s really because the idea and the concept of size was so different decades ago.

Ariel Landrum 17:15
I’ve noticed even with the size I’m top heavy, there’s just like not a lot of vintage outfits that I can buy that will fit me up where my chest is. So I tend to more buy vintage pieces like earrings, hats, bracelets, necklaces, glasses, things that are an accessory purses a lot a lot of purses. Unless something that I’m gonna wear that might wear out or that I might want to cherish later that might wear out.

Stefanie Bautista 17:43
I’m telling you Ariel one of these days we’re just going to buy those like Tiki momos and it’s gonna be like the most comfortable Dapper Day ever.

Ariel Landrum 17:50
Yeah!

Stefanie Bautista 17:51
They’re coming back into style and they are gorgeous.

Ariel Landrum 17:56
We could definitely buy some authentic ones. So…

Stefanie Bautista 17:58
Yeah. Oh yeah. I feel like…

Ariel Landrum 18:00
Filipino ones.

Stefanie Bautista 18:00
Yeah, for sure. And yeah, there’s that cultural element to it too. As…

Ariel Landrum 18:05
Yeah! Share your your cultural piece that was a huge hit the shocked you!

Stefanie Bautista 18:09
Oh my gosh, super shocked me so we so I am my heritage my I identify as Filipino American. And so in the Philippines there. Instead of wearing suits and dresses, we have two different kinds of outfits that you would wear to either a formal event or to a someone who’s a business event really just any kind of formal event. For the men’s it’s called the Barong Tagalog which is basically a bamboo woven blouse. And it’s very breathable, you normally wear just like a white shirt inside. And it is like a high collar you can even you can either have like Chinese style collar where the it doesn’t like come out on the sides or like a Western style collar that kind of comes out on the sides like you would normally see a dress shirt as. And it has very intricate patterns on it that are woven in. Very beautiful. We will show of course examples on this when we post about it, but my husband has one for every formal event that we go to. And then for women, you have a couple of different options, but they all are very similar to each other. One of them is called the terno, which is basically a blouse that has really big butterfly sleeves on the sides. Not puffy, kind of like Alice in Wonderland but more structured. So it’s very high, very flat on each side, but it has a low neck. And it also could either be a dress, which is called a Maria Clara, and there’s different versions of it. But lately over the years, people have been selling them more because people Filipino Americans and people who are you know getting married to Filipinos they are wanting to incorporate more cultural wear into their formal events. So I thought to myself, I might as well buy one because you know why? I have had like an event coming up my grandma’s 80th birthday. And so we all decided to wear our Filipino outfits. And I had bought a little bronc that I loved for my son at the time. And so we’re like, let’s just wear this a Dapper Day, because it’s coming up, I have major FOMO if I miss a day, every day, I’m like, “Oh my God, I wish I was there.”

Ariel Landrum 20:16
And you didn’t have a lot of time to get the pieces together. So this was part of like, looking at what you have, and just anything that might be missing versus starting from scratch.

Stefanie Bautista 20:24
Exactly. And it was a spring Dapper Day, so I knew it was gonna be hot. And we normally do the California Food and Wine Festival at California Adventure. So I knew it was gonna be walking around. And my shirt came with a just kind of like a silk wraparound skirt. And I was postpartum a little bit still. And I needed something that I could be comfortable in. So I wore that I think it were flats that year, too. And we went into the park, and oh my god, the amount of people are like, “Oh my God, we love your outfits. And we love your Barong Tagalog like, I can’t believe you have a small one for your son.” And even though it wasn’t like anything tied to Disney, or it wasn’t tied to, like an era, because this is something that you can modernly wear, like any sort of formal event either here in the Philippines, you caught the attention of Filipinos who worked at the park. Number one, they were like, “I don’t even think of that.” And also you caught the attention of other people who didn’t know what you were wearing, they asked questions about and they’re like, “Oh, you know, like, is this, like from your culture? Is this from a specific thing?” But really, like, I forgot how many Filipinos actually worked at the park? But that day I was holy reminded about, you know, the demographic of Garden Grove, Fountain Valley, and the surrounding areas of Anaheim. Because yes, there are a lot of us around here. I think the next year afterwards, I saw more people embracing their cultural heritage. For example, I saw this beautiful Vietnamese couple wearing the like a bright red, like just I don’t know the name of it. I’ll look it up in a little bit. But with the really large, beautiful hat, oh, my God, they look gorgeous. And so I think people are starting to lean towards their culture a little bit. And I’m glad that I kind of decided to do that. And it wasn’t even intentional. But I have been wearing that outfit again for more dapper days. And I think I would probably expand upon that maybe and try to Disneybound with it. So I encourage you guys to do that as well.

Ariel Landrum 22:26
And the most recent Dapper Day that we had the theme of was a Disneybound and it was going to be Star Wars and the only reason I did that was because Dapper Day has become more and more popular and you can follow the hashtags. I typed in Dapper Day in Amazon. I just typed that. And then there were all these individuals who were I guess you’d call them Amazon influencers? I’m not I’m not 100% sure, because they have their own little like influencer website on Amazon. But they all posted images of their outfits and what pieces they bought on Amazon to make those outfits and there was one that you can get in white or black. And I was trying to decide if it Star Wars do I want to be Princess Leia or do I want to be Vader? Like “What do I want to do with this?” This outfit had these long sleeves that emulated like a cape. And so that’s that’s why it could have been either or, and in talking with my partner who knew that he was going to be able to attend Dapper Day this year, we decided I’ll be Leia and he’ll be Han. Now I remember. I need to wear good footwear. But I also wanted something that might be like kinda fun and make the outfit edgy. And I was talking to Stef about it. And I was like, “I’ve been looking for white boots and for like three days straight.” I’m going to the mall looking for white boots because I thought you know, “Go go boots are back, I should be able to find them.” Could not find white boots. There were cream boots. There were boots that were white and black, but nothing that was just white boots.

Stefanie Bautista 23:50
And that set me on a mission, “Girl, I’m gonna find you these white boots.” And I think, um it was again a coincidence that I had seen this because I think me and my husband just got out of the theater ever had it been what we watched. We watched John Wick, which by the way, amazing movie and then we went downstairs and they had just opened up a Nordstrom Rack and I was like, “Oh yeah, Nordstrom Rack!” Like, I love me a Nordstrom Rack so I go inside. And then I think Ariel you had texted me like, “I still can’t find the boots!” And I was just like “Bitch I’mma find them!| Sorry, pardon my language, but I go in there and because everything is all new, they just had like, so much selection. So luckily, because Ariel is such a petite size. Not a lot of people get things in that size, which kind of works out because you are able to find really good quality things if you aren’t besides that normally more or regular people are I’m a size seven, seven and a half and my section is always sold out like it’s really irritating. So I go over there. And then I see the most perfect pair of white Doc Martens like they could not be more perfect for Princess Leia. They were edgy. They were not laced. So they were just pull ons and they were her size. I have a couple Doc Martens and the only caveat to having them is you got to break them in. So I’m like, “Okay, I’m gonna get these for you.” They were the perfect size like the heavens shown above me just opened up like pathway for her to do this Disneybound. And I’m like, “I’m gonna get them, but you kind of break them in some way somehow.”

Ariel Landrum 25:21
So we could never meet up to pick up these shoes from each other so I had to wear them day of. We met at the Dapper Day Expo the day before the official Dapper Day event. Dapper Day Expo is essentially three days and the actual Dapper Day at the park is Sunday. So when you’re going to dress up at the park, it’s Sunday, however, some people will dress up the whole weekend. So we met on Saturday at the Expo. Here I am being gifted these boots that I haven’t even tried them on. And so we’re in the middle of the floor of the Dapper Day Expo…

Stefanie Bautista 25:54
There’s litterally vendors going like around those. There’s link a beautiful like swing band, big band, everyone’s dancing…

Ariel Landrum 26:01
And so we’re sitting on the floor. And I cannot put these boots on for the life of me. And it took a lot of wiggling my feet around like these are my perfect size. I don’t understand maybe maybe I’m just a different size Doc Martens. Again, I’m on and they fit comfortably now that I’ve actually slipped my foot in, they fit comfortably.

Stefanie Bautista 26:20
Slip is a very like, general term, we kind of had to ganker in there to the point where I think one of the Dapper Day workers were like, “Do you want me to get you a chair?” She was so sweet. And then like me and your partner were just like trying to like hoist them into link your foot into there. It was quite a scene.

Ariel Landrum 26:38
It was. And then it was even worse of a scene to take them off. It got to the point where I was afraid we were gonna have to cut these off of my feet. I was pulling and tugging and twisting and another like vendor came by and they’re like, “Do you need some help? Do you want do you need…” Like the everyone was it was worried about me. They were they were concerned about these boots.

Stefanie Bautista 27:00
There were two categories of people one category that was concerned about your health and safety in these shoes. And the other was “Where did you get them? Did you buy them here?”

Ariel Landrum 27:10
Yes, I kept getting asked, I asked “Where did you get these boots,” as I’m trying to like take them off or put them on. The problem was I had just been at Disney all day. And I was wearing sandals I had no socks on and my feet were essentially a little bit more swollen from the fact that I’ve been walking around. So we went and looked around and bought socks. I put the socks on the boots fit beautifully. Once I had socks, I was like, “Okay, I’m gonna have to find a way to wear socks tomorrow with these boots.” I was gonna have hideaway socks is what I thought I was going to do. But even in trying to get them up my my leg I need tall socks, we bought some extra ones at the Dapper Day Exo to make it happen.

Stefanie Bautista 27:49
That were like probably a little bit more than I know you were comfortable with paying but at that point you were like, “Eff it,. I just need this to work!” Because we know the potential of what it was gonna look like and we knew it was going to be perfect. So in trying to attain that perfect look, we were willing to do anything. And like you know, buy, whatever it took for you to get into those boots. I don’t know why we thought it was a good idea for you to slip them on without socks. I always wear socks with mine.

Ariel Landrum 28:18
The excitement?

Stefanie Bautista 28:19
I think it was the excitement. I truly think you’re just so hype on these boots because A. found them B. I got them at a deal. Even when I wear them with dresses, I wear stockings, or I wear some sort of like leggings or something. So I don’t know why I thought that was gonna work without all of that. And especially after you were walking at the park all day.

Ariel Landrum 28:34
It was hilarious and humbling. The next day, I have the socks on I fold them a little bit. I wear the boots all day, I feel great, my feet, my legs, everything feels great. The boots are a little heavy. So that’s the only thing is I had to get used to the weight of them. But we were pretty much there till dark, I get home and I take the boots and socks off. And wow, I had so many cuts and blisters and bruises up and down my leg where different parts of the boot was pressing. And it was about two months before like all of those scabs had essentially fully healed. And so even though I didn’t repeat the wearing of the heels I still got very blistered up and that’s because these were brand new shoes. So lesson learned there I don’t know. Again I don’t know who I think I am but I thought that this was going to be possible I should have just come over in the middle of the night and had you leave the boots on the door and like me grab ’em.

It’s not like we live that far from me.

No, no.

Stefanie Bautista 28:37
I think if you wear them now they will be the most comfortable things ever you could dance or whatever have you in them and they will be true to you. So what I love about getting a piece like that for costume or a cosplay is you can wear it over and over again. So it’s not something that was just specific to your Princess Leia outfit you can wear them just as a fashion piece and I think if you are looking to maximize what you wear, because you know, you don’t want to just throw away an outfit. That’s one of those things where you find pieces that you can reuse over and over again.

Ariel Landrum 30:09
The outfit we got for my partner Han is basically you know, a vest and white shirt. I couldn’t find any pants with red stripes on them. So he just wore pants. And then he decided to tie a belt around that kind of was supposed to look like the holster and we were going back and forth on the different pieces he was starting to add to his outfit because it was getting more towards cosplay. That is the component of Dapper Day where there’s a fine line between you replicating an outfit and you trying to upgrade that outfit in dapper s stylish, fanciful, whatever you want to put it, where it’s a nod to that character. It isn’t an exact replica. And so I think it was a good thing that we didn’t end up finding pants with the red stripe or it would have started looking more like a costume. That being said, even though the we went to boot to and took a picture with literally the Millennium Falcon behind us, I don’t know how much more like evident it was. People saw me posing with my partner in a white dress and thought we had eloped. And so I consistently kept getting messages of “Married question mark?” “When did you get married Question mark?” “Such a beautiful wedding photo!”

Stefanie Bautista 31:23
This is news to me. I did not know this. I am dying.

Ariel Landrum 31:26
It was nonstop for like two or three days even from like his family where they’re like, “Oh, is this a wedding photo? Is this a sneak peek? Is this an engagement photo?”

Stefanie Bautista 31:38
I think it’s because it’s so on, brand for you to do something like that. And I think the universe just wants it for you?

Ariel Landrum 31:45
I guess. And like everyone saw a white dress with like a flowy cape.

Stefanie Bautista 31:52
They did not, “Oh, no Princess Leia at Dapper Day. She’s gotten married.”

Ariel Landrum 31:57
And a part of it was I saw this picture on Amazon if someone else who did a Dapper Day of Princess Leia where they were their hair down. And then they wore actual ears that they made with buns on them. So the buns were on the ears. And I was like, “Oh, that is so adorable. I’m gonna do that.”

Stefanie Bautista 32:13
Because really, it is hard to do just buns and you’ve done it before. And to make them last is like there’s a science to it.

Ariel Landrum 32:19
It was gonna fall I knew that it was going to fall. So I was like, I will do that. So I was even wearing Mickey ears. But I think what people saw was a bow and my hair down. And so if they didn’t understand that it was Dapper Day and that I was Disneybounding it had to mean that we had somehow eloped at Disneyland.

Stefanie Bautista 32:38
Which you know, that is okay. I subscribe to this.

Ariel Landrum 32:45
Add to cart.

Stefanie Bautista 32:47
Add to cart and hey if it ever happens, you already have a dress sis.

Ariel Landrum 32:51
Yo, I have watched those Disney weddings on the Disney+ that ish is expensive.

Stefanie Bautista 32:58
It is unattainable. That’s how you do it in times like this. And they just called eloping at Disneyland in the open without them knowing. We are talking about budgeting at Disneyland not just for Dapper Day outfits, but also for life events. So I think that’s really funny how people interpret just by what you were

Ariel Landrum 33:19
I was surprised I was genuinely truly surprised that that was the reaction. And maybe it was like because on Instagram you can put up the 10 photos. But the first one is usually what people see and people hadn’t swiped through and seen like all of us together hadn’t seen other people in they’re dapper.

Stefanie Bautista 33:35
And you looked gorgeous.

Ariel Landrum 33:36
Thank you. It was the boots the boots made it. I think when it comes to trying to find the appropriate outfit for you, you know whether you are going cultural, whether you’re picking a specific theme, whether you’re picking a specific character do this more often, you start to get used to how you want to conceptualize your outfit. I had taken a little bit of a risk with this outfit because it was shorter than I normally go I usually do a long dress and it was a little bit tighter than what I normally do. So I was wanting to step out into something different. And a part of it had to be again, that body piece that we talked about. I want my body’s changed a lot it’s gotten a lot bigger in various areas and I wanted to embrace that and not try and like hide it or shame it and it was fine. Like I don’t know what it was what worry I thought I would have in this dress. I didn’t think people think I was my marriage dress but it it really felt good to have people at the park recognize me as Leia people wanting to take pictures with me that were other Star Wars characters. There was a lot of Rays I saw and lots of Kylo Rens. Another way to be able to embrace the like the park experience and connect with your fellow Park attendees because people who don’t even know about Dapper Day they’re just like, “What is going on? Why is everybody’s like so dressed up and it’s fun to be able to like share that with them and hope that inspires them to join like the next year.

Stefanie Bautista 34:58
Yeah, and it’s not even an element of like, “Oh, I know about this and you don’t.” It’s more of like, “Hey, I will explain to you and I’m more than happy to share with you what this is, so that you can participate next time.” Because I think on the other side, there’s some people who, you know, aren’t a huge fan of the event just because it’s like, there’s an element of privilege because you knew about the event. And, you know, you were able to put this outfit together. But I think over the years, it hasn’t been like that, or, I remember in the early years, there was a little bit of that, but as its expanded to, you know, include Disneybounding, and including, you know, families and things like that. It’s an overall really positive experience for you know, dressing up without actually wearing a costume. I didn’t really have an outfit, but I had, you know, a dress that I was gonna wear for my baby shower that I didn’t. And it ended up having had like, really big, puffy sleeves, and I knew that that was in and it’s very, you know, Disneyland like, it was blue and I knew that my daughter had a really cute Alice outfit. Kids can get away with almost wearing the costume because you know, who’s gonna knock on a kid for like, dressing exactly like. It was an official Disney, you know, bought Alice in Wonderland outfit, so she wore that. And I wore my dress, which was a very similar blue, and I tried to kind of be like a bigger version of Alice, but because I didn’t have an apron, everyone thought it was Wendy. And I’m like, “Do you see Peter Pan around me anywhere?” Like, “I’m not Wendy me but okay.” But again, I wear that dress because it was comfortable. I felt confident in it. My body has changed after two kids. And so I just wanted to, I knew I was gonna be pushing a stroller around. It’s like it was to be carrying just the purse. My purse has expanded now to a large stroller with you know many intricate pieces. And, you know, knowing it was gonna be hot, I wanted something flowy. And yeah, it really worked out. I do love that you stepped out of your comfort zone, because I think the form fitting dress really complimented your curves. And also, yeah, I mean, it was great. It made me want to be like, “I should wear something like that.” And not something so large, because that’s kind of what, that’s what we default to most days. But it really worked out especially for your concept. So I encourage everybody, if it’s your first time, this is your second time, if you’ve had friends participate, like do what’s comfortable for you. And you know, I think don’t be so hard on yourself if you don’t find the right elements, because I don’t think this is an event that’s going to go away anytime soon. If anything, it’s going to just continue and grow because like I said, they have these Dapper Day events at LACMA. They have them at the Huntington Library in Pasadena. More and more events where it’s not just restricted to the vintage community, because this is going to be for another podcast, I’m sure but there are people who feel some sort of way about, you know, being in the vintage community. And that goes for, you know, other fandoms.They don’t feel necessarily as comfortable. And I think this is one of the ways that for me and Ariel as vintage enthusiast but not like really serious about it, to be able to participate in it in a way that’s comfortable for us.

Ariel Landrum 38:11
as inclusive for us as possible. Because like we mentioned, there’s no way that we would be able to fit any actual vintage outfits. Given our curvy size and even height. I think being shorter Filipino women as you start to do Dapper Day more, it is a lot more comfortable and more accepting and that you get more joy out of experimenting. That’s when you can take you know a few risks. Like I wasn’t gonna get snares. I wasn’t gonna get people looking at me sideways. The things that I feared that I would get when I thought that I wouldn’t make an outfit look, you know, right, so to speak. There is a layer of privilege if you are going into the park because you’re spending a lot of the day taking pictures. If you are making an outfit that isn’t going to last a ride, you might feel like you’ve wasted a day if you’re not an annual Park holder. So this could be a component where you go to The Expo. So maybe you’re not in the park but there are a lot of people who actually just spend their whole day in The Expo.

Stefanie Bautista 39:06
And I’ve done that before and it makes me feel like I’m participating without actually being in the park.

Ariel Landrum 39:11
Like you said they have a swing bands so you can dance. They have raffles you can get to know the vendors it means that you wouldn’t be buying a park ticket which may not be feasible but you could still participate in the event.

Stefanie Bautista 39:23
Over the years it’s grown so much where you know it’s a multi day event so you don’t necessarily have to go into the park to appreciate it. And then you can explore the hotel you can explore like the places to eat there. I know last time when we went we ate at Tangaroa terrace, which is right next to Trader Sam’s and it was it’s great like. You could also take beautiful pictures around the hotel floor that if you haven’t you know been able to the hotel grounds are open even though you are not a you know a guest to the hotel. I think that’s a really good way if you don’t have the capacity to get into the parks because we all know that the prices are going up. That’s a great way to just get introduced to it or attend one of the off site events. And you know, see how you like it there.

Ariel Landrum 40:06
So if you are going to be attending the fall Dapper Day that’s in November, let us know, tweet us or message us DM us on Instagram. And let us know if you’re gonna go, what you’re going to wear. And if you want to meet up and take some pictures together, our Twitter is @HappiestPodGT, and our Instagram is @HappiestPodGT.

Stefanie Bautista 40:30
And we do have a lot of really exciting things coming up this summer. So in addition to planning for our Dapper Day outfits, which I feel like that seems like a lifetime away right now, we will be attending other events. So I’ll be hopefully we will see you all there very soon.

Ariel Landrum 40:43
Including San Diego Comic-Con where we will be hosting three different panels. So come check those out. We will give you more information about that. So make sure that you follow us on Twitter and on Instagram.

Stefanie Bautista 40:55
As always, thank you so much for listening in and we will see you all next time.

Ariel Landrum 40:59
Bye!

Stefanie Bautista 40:59
Bye!

Media/Characters Mentioned
  • Princess Leia
  • Moana and Maui
  • Kylo Ren
  • Ray
  • Jasmine
  • Aladdin
  • Snow White
Topics/Themes Mentioned
  • Expectations
  • HAES (Healthy At Every Size)
  • Vintage
  • Retro
  • Fashion
  • Dapper Day
  • Disneybounding
  • Dapper Day Expo
  • Disneyland Hotel
  • Self Acceptance
  • Comfort Zone

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Disney After Dark: Princess Nite

March 10, 2023 · Discuss on the GT Forum

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#31: In this episode of Happiest Pod, join Ariel and Stef as they recount their magical evening at Disneyland’s After Dark event, Princess Nite. Held for the first time at Disneyland Park on March 7th and 9th from 9 PM to 1 AM, this special event transported guests into a world of princesses and fairy tales. And don’t worry if you missed it, as Ariel and Stef provide an in-depth look at the experience so you’ll know what to expect if you decide to attend next time!

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Summary

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Summary

  • Intro 0:10
    • Welcome to the happiest pod on earth.

    • Today’s episode is all about Princess Nite.

    • How Princess Nite compares to Merriest Nite.
    • How to plan a Disney event.

  • Dressing Up for Princess Nite 8:14
    • Dressing up for a Disney event.
    • Dressed up for the gram.

  • Mickey and Minnie’s Runaway Rail Way 12:06
    • Rise of the Resistance and Mickey’s Runaway Railway.

    • The El Capitan in Los Angeles.

    • The lack of female representation in Disney movies.

    • How Disney has had to adapt to change.
  • Where are the Princesses? 18:20
    • Where to find the Princesses in Fantasyland.

    • The end of the line sign.

    • No signs saying where the Princesses are.

  • Soaring Melodies Under The Starrs 28:06
    • No projections.
    • A live Disney performance with singing and dancing.
    • Pyrotechnics.
  • The Broken Reservation System 30:27
    • High Tea menu at Cafe Orleans.

    • Special event Cinderella Popcorn bucket.

    • The app kept shutting down and didn’t say anything about the special menu.

  • Dinner During Princess Nite 36:09
    • Dinner at Tomorrowland was Princess themed.

    • All food was sweet and sugary, even the spicy tenders.

    • Magic Keyholders can pick up a special gift at The Landing Bay.

    • Pop Princess Dance Party.

  • Suggestions for Improvement 39:48
    • There could have been more interactive experiences.

    • Examples of different Princess interactions.
    • Confusion over the choice of a mirror for the lanyard gift.
  • Final Thoughts on Princess Nite 43:48
    • Disney Princess culture is a thing.
    • Disney Princess Nite had missed opportunities.
    • The DJ was the highlight of the evening.
Transcription

Stefanie Bautista 0:10
Hello, everyone, welcome to the Happiest Pod on Earth. I’m Stef an educator who uses passions and fandoms to help my students grow and learn about themselves and the world around them.

Ariel Landrum 0:21
And I’m Ariel, I’m a licensed therapist who uses clients passions and fandoms to help them grow and heal from trauma and achieve mental wellness.

Stefanie Bautista 0:30
And Happiest Pod is where we dissect Disney mediums with a critical lens.

Ariel Landrum 0:34
Why? Because we are more than just fans and we expect more from the mediums we consume. So Stef, what Disney experience are we discussing today?

Stefanie Bautista 0:42
Well, it has been a while since we’ve talked about any sort of experience because we’ve been busy busy people lately. But somehow we both carved out time to attend Princess Nite, which is in the realm of after dark events that Disneyland hosts. Other events include Oogie Boogie bash, Sweethearts Nite, I know they did like a Throwback Nite a couple of years ago. So Princess Nite falls into that category. And basically, it’s all Princess themed. This is the first of its kind. And I know in a previous episode, I talked about attending Marriest Nites.

Ariel Landrum 1:17
Yes.

Stefanie Bautista 1:17
Which did not get renewed this year. But in place of that me and Ariel decided, “Hey, let’s attend Princess Nite and see what it’s all about.” So today’s episode is gonna be all about that and what we think of this particular event and all the other night events.

Ariel Landrum 1:32
And I think this is a good time to talk about it not only because we love princesses, but also because it’s Women’s History Month.

Stefanie Bautista 1:39
Yes, it is.

Ariel Landrum 1:40
And so celebrating the heroic women of Disney.

Stefanie Bautista 1:45
And many of you guys know or maybe some of you don’t know that we have done a whole presentation on Disney Princesses and we have done a deep dive on what they mean to us what they mean to women everywhere and how we always want to challenge people to think about what princesses and you know what the role of women play in media, especially Disney movies, media, and you know, I guess music even.

Ariel Landrum 2:10
Absolutely. So in talking about Princess Nite, because you’ve gone to an after dark event, and this was my first one. How does it compare to Marriest Nites? Which is more holiday themed and so you have a different variety than a very targeted type of IP.

Stefanie Bautista 2:28
Yeah, I think the preparation for this one compared to Marriest Nites was a little bit different. There’s a couple stories that I’ve heard about Princess Nite not being popular when it first came out because I think it was released at the same time as Sweethearts Nite when they released the tickets. And Sweethearts Nite is the Valentine’s Day event that happens in February and that one sold out really quickly whereas Princess Nite did not. They kept advertising it on my Instagram ads. And so I was thinking, you know, maybe they didn’t sell out as fast as normal Disney events do. And normally you have to like be on your computer, getting the tickets like ASAP or else it’s you’re SOL basically. But that didn’t happen this time. And I know it. It was pretty open for a while and Marriest Nites was kind of the same thing. But I think going into Marriest Nites, because it is wholly Hollywood. It is holiday themed. You kind of go into it thinking “Oh, it’s going to be one big holiday party.” And everyone goes to Disneyland or many people go to Disneyland during the holiday season because it is magical. And we know that it’s like celebrating the holidays but amplified right? So Marriest Nites was that and more. So I think there was also just a precedent set there. But Marriest Nites was definitely like, I don’t know what to expect. But apparently they they wanted to do a little more marketing around the princesses. And I shared with Ariel a couple of weeks ago that they had released a map of what everything was. Ariel, was that helpful for you that you kind of had that to go off of?

Ariel Landrum 4:03
I mean, it’s sort of was it was really hard to actually plan and I think I remember when we talked about Marriest Nites, one of the things that you said was there’s kind of just stuff all over the place. And maybe now knowing that it would be easier to plan things out. But for me even with the map because Disney so big, it was hard to kind of figure out how I was going to do things. And the things that I even wanted to do, I couldn’t because of the lines. It was actually I was I was expecting it to be popular. It was a lot more popular event than I had realized, especially being during like a week night. I didn’t expect so many people to come with their very young children so late in the evening. Was that similar to Marriest Nites?

Stefanie Bautista 4:50
Absolutely. And it was winter time still. I know we’re going through a very unusual cold front here in Southern California right now. Which did also kind of take me by surprise. Because I thought by now we would have like a pretty fair night in Orange County, which is like 70 degrees, maybe 60 at like the very coldest. But it was 40 degrees at Disneyland after it had experienced snow for the first time, like two weeks ago, which was bizarre. But yeah, for Marriest Nites like, I knew people were gonna bring their kids but also it is it was during winter break. So it was a surprise, but not too much of a surprise. And I think my event went, if I remember was, I feel like it was like a week, a weekend night, at least like a Friday or a Saturday. Whereas when we attended Princess Nite, we went on a Tuesday.

Ariel Landrum 5:38
Got turnt on a Tuesday.

Stefanie Bautista 5:39
We truly, truly cut Princess wasted on a Tuesday, but I think it also happened last night, the 9th? I think that was the second day. So they were both weeknight events on a time, but normally not a lot of people have off. So interesting choice.

Ariel Landrum 5:58
I think the other thing that surprised me, which I didn’t quite see in advertising people knew so it must have been out there was there were a lot of adults dressed as Disney Princesses, not Disney bounding. Um, so not colorblocking not like the essence of a Disney character. They were in full ball gowns. I mean, the some of these were ornate and intricate. Like it was really people stepping into these outfits and gowns and being these princesses that’s usually not allowed in the park and has aside from Oggie, Boogie Bash, from my understanding has not been allowed. So I was really I was shocked. If I didn’t know and I could have worn a ballgown, I’d a done it.

Stefanie Bautista 6:42
Same and it would have kept us warm because we weren’t for freezing by like 11 o’clock, but I think you’re absolutely right. I sometimes I couldn’t tell whether it was a Disney actor or just a participant of Princess Nite. Because some of these people, they had amazing outfits and they had partners that had matching outfits. And I thought they were the ones who thought they were the Princesses, but they were also in like to take pictures with the Princess. Like, “Okay, kind of confusing there.” But I mean, kudos to them for knowing and just, you know, randomly just having their princess outfit ready and raring to go. But definitely, from the things that I’ve read is, maybe that was like an influencer insider thing in the community of people who cosplay as princesses. Because when we go to WonderCon, you do see Disney Princesses around because normally WonderCon takes place in Anaheim. So it’s like, you know, you double dip by going to Disneyland and you know, going to WonderCon. But definitely, that was the first thing that me and Ariel said to each other when we met up like, “Did you know you could wear a ball gown?” “No. Did you?” “No!” And just that disbelief and like, yeah, because, again, because it was cold. We did not know what to wear. And with these after dark events you it’s a toss up because it’s Orange County, and we’re used to a certain type of weather there, even as regular Disney goers. And yeah, this one was kind of hard to plan around.

Ariel Landrum 8:14
Yeah, outfit wise. We ended up my partner James and I did end up Disney bounding as Ariel and Eric and Eric was so easy. This white shirt, some blue pants and like a red sash, which for the sash, he like used an old uniform from like ROTC I think it was. He’ll correct me if I’m wrong, but whatever. He used an old sash from that, and then for me, I had some mermaid tights or leggings. And then like I tried to wear a tight shirt underneath for extra warmth. That was long sleeve and then another shirt over it was which was from Disney World. And it was the Ariel mermaid jersey from Disney World from when they opened the Grotto. And that was like as Disney bounding as I could get. And then it was jackets upon jackets upon jackets, so.

Stefanie Bautista 9:06
And yeah, as for me, I have the majority of my wardrobe if you know me is black, I wear black everything. I was once you know you’re talking punk rock goth chick, and it just kind of evolved into you know, mom, black clothes.

Ariel Landrum 9:23
Very New York Street esque.

Stefanie Bautista 9:26
Yeah. And so all I had were was this Nike sweatshirt with like a high color that was more pink than I thought it was when I ordered it during COVID. I don’t wear that out at all and I’m like, “Well, this is princessy I guess color wise.” And then I had leggings and then Air Maxes that have a little bit of pink in them that I was supposed to wear for my baby shower but never wore because I dressed up as Alice. So that was you know, totally not what I was planning to wear. And then a big ol puffy jacket because I was cold and I was more concerned of what I was going to dress my children and because they are so young.

Ariel Landrum 10:10
Yeah, you were one of the people who were brought brought kiddos, but yours don’t go to school?

Stefanie Bautista 10:15
No, they do not go to school. So they didn’t have to worry about waking up in the morning. And, you know, no low stakes there. And yeah, my husband did not dress up. I, he just wore a comfy sweater. And you know, we were super laid back. But then I think that’s the thing when you go to these things, and you do love to dress up Disneybound as we do for special events, you kind of feel like you’re missing out when you’re not completely dressed up.

Ariel Landrum 10:42
Yeah, yeah, I didn’t feel as integrated or with the vibe, so to speak, in just being regular clothing. Were not like there weren’t people that works. There definitely were, I think the thing was it. It just felt more fun. I can just see people really enjoying themselves because again, you don’t get to go to the park dressed up in full costume. That’s that’s not allowed. So the fact that they allowed it for this event would have been nice to be a somewhat rule breaker.

Stefanie Bautista 11:14
Yeah, I saw so many cool costumes under huge jackets. And then when people wanted to take their picture in front of the castle or on Main Street, they were like really toughing it out to not freeze over. And like look as cute as possible. So kudos to them. Bravo if you were one of those people, because I commend you for doing it for The Gram.

Ariel Landrum 11:35
Yup. Doing it for The Gram. So Princess-wise the Princess that I didn’t get to see which you never see at the park, which is why I was all excited to see her it was Princess Kida from Atlantis. There was a reason.

Stefanie Bautista 11:49
Yep, so one of the biggest complaints that I was reading in you know, a lot of the comment sections of you know, influencers that I follow is that the lines to take pictures with these Princesses were absolutely insane. I’m talking about like, one to two hour waits.

Ariel Landrum 12:06
You and I both, we took a picture with Moana and then I took a picture with Pluto when we first got there because the event hadn’t started yet. So just like Marriest Nites, you’re able to get in like two hours before the official start of the event to be able to just kind of enjoy Disneyland and the two things that we did that were like off event-type was took a picture with Pluto and then we grabbed some food and then booked it all the way to the actual ride. The new one that they built in Disneyland Mickey and Minnie’s Runaway Railway. Say that three times fast.

Stefanie Bautista 12:43
That was not part of the Princess Nite agenda at all. But Ariel went on the ride before I did and she’s raving about it and I knew that it was super super cool. I did not get to ride it when I was at Disney World so I was really excited to see how it was this time and yeah even though it wasn’t a Princess Nite thing I did not regret it at all because that right is so cool.

Ariel Landrum 13:05
Did not regret it. It is essentially based off of the one in Paris Disney for Ratatouille. And then they built one I believe you said in Disney World as well right? Before we even got one.

Stefanie Bautista 13:16
Yeah, at Hollywood Studios.

Ariel Landrum 13:18
So okay, when I say that it’s built similar to the one in Paris, Disney. The actual way that track is made, which is that it’s magnetic. You are on a trackless ride and magnets are what’s moving the vehicle, not it being pulled on a track.

Stefanie Bautista 13:34
Yes, not actual, like tracks that are metal.

Ariel Landrum 13:38
Yes yes.

Stefanie Bautista 13:38
Um very similar also to Rise of the Resistance, which is you know, the second most popular ride right now. Now,

Ariel Landrum 13:45
they created that design or functionality for that specific ride in in Paris, Disney and then they created other rides that use that functionality here in the parks in The States. And so there’s the Rise of the Resistance and then Mickey’s Runaway Railway was essentially themed as if you’re going into a theater, and ours here is based off of the El Capitan, which is an old theater that Disney bought out and shows only Disney like movies or Disney products in. And has we’ve talked about it on the show like really fun entertainment and before the movie even starts. Sometimes it’s an organ player a lot of times it’s 15 Different curtains. Now even though that’s the style they went with, allegedly…

Stefanie Bautista 14:33
Here it comes ya’ll. Here it comes.

Ariel Landrum 14:36
Looks like a 50s diner the colors are 50s diner. It is not look like our deco there was one art deco thing and it was a light and that’s it. That’s the only gripe. The only one.

Stefanie Bautista 14:48
Yes, so the El Capitan is one of the you know, the most iconic and oldest theaters in Los Angeles. And, of course, Los Angeles in its heyday was in the 1920s 1930s when you know all the production companies were booming out here. Silent movies to movies with sound and when you step inside the El Capitan it’s beautiful because it is kind of dark it’s kind of you know their art deco style is a lot of like golds and like blacks and a lot of you know those sorts of themes but when you step into the El Captune Theatre in Toon Town it’s more like flows V8 Cafe at Car’s Land.

Ariel Landrum 15:27
Yes.

Stefanie Bautista 15:27
And the one in Hollywood studios that I have not been inside yet is modeled after the Grauman’s Chinese Theatre in Hollywood as well. But even if you go into that theater, it’s the same dark art deco style of you know, the Hollywood heyday so. I mean it’s Tunetown. So we gotta we gotta be a little you know gracious to them for you know, picking colors that are very kid friendly and bright. It’s kind of consistent to the same style as the Monsters Inc. ride when you go inside where it’s kind of bright. You know, that’s supposed to feel like the DMV I feel.

Ariel Landrum 16:01
Which is never bright.

Stefanie Bautista 16:03
Which is never bright. But it feels like the DMV in there because you know, you’re going on Mike and Sally’s car. But anyway, I digress.

Ariel Landrum 16:10
Now, when you’re walking through, you see old movie posters, quote, unquote, for famous films, but they are taken off of other Disney merchandise is and instead of like the actors and actresses that play them, they are as if the toon characters are playing them. So a lot of I think, my our friend Chance and I we were sharing photos that we took, that’s when I first rode the ride of the different movie posters we had. And there was one that was really confusing to us. And it was like a Parent Trap, but it was the Chipmunk Trap. And it was Chippendale as the two Parent Trap children, but still Daisy and Donald Duck. And I’m like, why would Daisy Donald Duck have chipmunk children? Why weren’t they Huey, Dewey, and Louie? Like, I’m not understanding this.

Stefanie Bautista 17:01
That is what we call a reach. It was a reach. They tried.

Ariel Landrum 17:08
There was some good ones.

Stefanie Bautista 17:09
Yeah. I feel like if they really went for it, they would have to pick some pretty obscure characters.

Ariel Landrum 17:15
The one that we really cackling about was the Hocus Pocus one.

Stefanie Bautista 17:19
Yeah.

Ariel Landrum 17:19
And it had Clara Bell. It was like, |They don do her wrong!” Poor Kathy Najimy.

Stefanie Bautista 17:31
They needed a third female that was part of the you know, Mickey and Minnie animated series. But once you cross off Minnie and you cross off, Daisy, who do you have left?

Ariel Landrum 17:42
Yeah, we were trying to figure out if there was anybody else in the crew that could have been her and it was like that one chicken?

Stefanie Bautista 17:49
Oh, yes, yes, yes, I think I know who you’re talking about. But see, even that it took me a while. Then I feel like that goes back into, you know, female representation in old cartoons and how when they adapt them to more modern structures, there isn’t an equivalent. So there has to be some sort of a reach, because it has developed over the years, which is great. But I think that’s like a really great example of you know, how Disney has had to adapt throughout the years because there was a lack of female representation.

Ariel Landrum 18:20
Huge lack. Okay, and so in talking about female representation on Princess nights, who were the princesses that were there?

Stefanie Bautista 18:30
The ones that we saw are the ones we read about and never saw. We’re not gonna

Ariel Landrum 18:34
Say that all of them that were said to have been there and then who we got to see and who surprised you who was not a princess.

Stefanie Bautista 18:44
It’s great that they gave up the map because we knew where we were going. But I mean, Disneyland is pretty popular. So I kind of know where I’m going. But I needed I needed a little bit more information on where I could find the special things that were specific to Princess Nite. And I know they like the the outline that were on on the I was gonna call it the menu, the map. They had categories of all the lands and who was going to appear in the lands but they didn’t specify where in the lands they were going to be. So Fantasyland of course, because it’s Princess Nite had like a laundry list of princesses like maybe like 10 of them. You had to find them. So not only was it a scavenger hunt to find where these princesses were. Some of them were out in the open like Sophia the First was in that little theater where they normally do the Tangled Show. Ariel was in front of the pond grotto that King Triton statue is in that makes sense.

Ariel Landrum 19:36
And they had bubbles behind her that cute.

Stefanie Bautista 19:37
That was very beautiful, super cute. And then they had Princess Atta that was like tucked in the corner like on the side that we saw.

Ariel Landrum 19:45
Princess Atta from A Bug’s Life if you don’t remember her.

Stefanie Bautista 19:49
From A Bug’s Life, yes. Love her and you know she’s a huge and so who could miss her and and then after that, it kind of didn’t really see anyone. Oh, Snow White. Sorry.

Ariel Landrum 20:01
Yeah Snow White was in the those wishing well.

Stefanie Bautista 20:03
Where she has her statue.

Ariel Landrum 20:05
Allegedly who else was at Fantasyland?

Stefanie Bautista 20:08
Yes. And that that was the thing. So you found the princesses, but then when you tried to find the end of the line to where you needed to stand in order to get a picture with them, it was almost near impossible because it was just a sea of sneaking around.

Ariel Landrum 20:23
It felt like Comic-Con. And I only ever saw like two people with the end of the line signs.

Stefanie Bautista 20:28
Yes. And that was very Comic-Con esque of end of the line signs because that signifies that the line is so long that you have to have somebody saying where the end of the line is.

Ariel Landrum 20:38
So allegedly, who else was at Fantasyland was Aurora.

Stefanie Bautista 20:42
Yeah.

Ariel Landrum 20:42
Bell. Elena of Avila. Kida. Merida. Which I don’t know what she was doing there. Because ended up this is from the map because she ended up being somewhere else. Mulan. Raya. Uh, I didn’t see none of those fools.

Stefanie Bautista 21:02
So we ended up splitting up at one point because we took the kids on It’s A Small World and then on the way back, I saw Mulan, but not as Mulan. It was Ping.

Ariel Landrum 21:13
It was Ping!

Stefanie Bautista 21:14
So she was in her military outfit. It was not Princess is Princess ish, Mulan, it was Ping. And the lines of Ping was crazy, because we don’t see Ping very often, which is, I think that’s cool that you know, she was Ping. However, if you’re saying she was in Fantasyland, that’s really I know, it’s considered Fantasyland, but you’re in like, It’s a Small World territory. I think that should be its own land. Because it’s the huge walkway and then It’s a Small World. And then you have the theater to the side where they do Lion King, which is where Merida was. And we did a cool little game of archery there. That was, you know, a cool little wait, but also not really long, because it was when the event started. So naturally, of course, because there’s archery there Merida was there too. But if you walked into it saying, “I really want to see Merida!” You would have had to walk the far reaches of almost Toontown in order to find Merida in a corner with huge archery sets.

Ariel Landrum 22:13
Yeah, it was weird to the map didn’t have like the actual like dot that showed where each Princess was. And then allegedly the other princesses that are there, I guess. In Disneyland, we saw Moana in Adventureland. And we walked by Jasmine that line was ridiculous.

Stefanie Bautista 22:33
It was the whole line of Jungle Cruise.

Ariel Landrum 22:36
The entire thing and then New Orleans Square Tiana which makes sense, but I didn’t see her. I don’t know where she was. She had to have been on the boat. That’s the only thing I can think of.

Stefanie Bautista 22:43
Yeah, she had to. Yeah, because you even made it towards Club 33. And you didn’t see anybody back there right?

Ariel Landrum 22:49
Nope, nope. And in Frontierland was Pocahontas, which I would love because again, she doesn’t get to come to the park that often. I didn’t see nobody in Frontierland.

Stefanie Bautista 22:58
I saw a line so we walked around from Fantasyland through like were Big Thunder Mountain was there was a line there. But I the princess was not out yet. So I’m wondering if that was Pocahontas because it was right next to Big Thunder Mountain. But I didn’t see. And also, I think that’s another thing you see a line but you don’t know who it’s for, it would have been nice to have a sign saying, “This is where Pocahontas is. Or even just like a backdrop because at Marriest Nites, they had huge holiday postcards that were themed and drawn by many of the artists that couldn’t like contribute to Wonderground. And you know, the Disney Galleries. And that’s how you knew that was a photo op, because it was like a huge backdrop. And I think that would have been something that, you know, they could have incorporated for us to know, “Hey, this is Pocahontas.” Or, you know, not just looking for bubbles behind Ariel, you know? And you think about it right, you’re in line for an hour to an hour and a half for each of these princesses. There’s about at least 20 of them. And you only have from six, nine o’clock until one o’clock in the morning. And not everybody’s out from nine to one in the morning. And then you want to eat you want to do all these things. I get that you’re trying to saturate the event so that there’s something for everyone to do. But I think when you put things that everyone wants to do, all at once it creates like a problem. But you know, again, what would the solutions be right?

Ariel Landrum 24:23
I have a few ideas. But before we get to solutions, the last one which infuriated me was that Princess Leia was there and we never see Princess Leia. She was flipping Tomorrowland. Like, why do we build Batuu that’s supposed to be integrated in the Star Wars universe and she can’t be there? I that boggled my mind. Why should I get the Star core Cruise is in Tomorrowland? But that’s it. That’s it. That’s all it’s there and I don’t get it.

Stefanie Bautista 24:49
Yeah. The Millennium Falcon is in Batuu.

Ariel Landrum 24:52
That could have been in the backdrop of the photo.

Stefanie Bautista 24:55
There’s so many open spaces in Batuu that I think could have been utilized. You could have even had Fennec Shand there, I think, you know, yeah, I’ve been really cool. And yeah, I think that was a missed opportunity, I get maybe that they’re trying to keep all of the traffic into the main Disneyland area for staffing purposes, if I’m thinking, you know, managerially. But I think if you’re really just staying true to the content and the source material, it would have just made sense for her to be over there.

Ariel Landrum 25:27
And I think managerially again, if you’re talking about trying to get people in specific spots, you could have had her be like one of the first princesses that kind of came out both people in the back of the park, and then that area sort of closed down, or they’re migrating towards the front. And then and then it’s like you as an attendee just has to make a sacrificing choice? Do I want to start in the back to and wait in those lines? Or do I want to be more towards the front where I can have some other things to do?

Stefanie Bautista 25:50
That’s another thing that is very tricky about these events is where you start, and where you end up what your priorities are. Because, yes, they give you two hours to enter the park beforehand. But you’re battling against everybody who was at the park already. So you’re already you know, battling lines and battling crowds. And it’s a little bit confusing. So you’re wasting a lot of not wasting, but you’re expending a lot of mental and physical energy, just getting through the parks and trying to situate yourself. And then by the time the event actually starts, you’re like, “Oh my gosh, what do we do?” Cuz you’re in like regular Park mode and then you have to switch to event mode. Which is I think what happened with us because we didn’t want to experience Runaway Railway. And I think that’s a whole nother layer because of what if you don’t regularly go to the parks and you attend this event? And you want to ride the rides? But how do you ride the rides and do all the princess stuff at the same time? You can’t.

Ariel Landrum 26:49
There’s no way you would have had to make a choice. If you were going to do the special event things only or if you were going to do one special event thing in the ride. The things that we did get to do a bow and arrow shooting. And I made my first shot and then the rest two were crappy, but it doesn’t matter because I beat my partner who made no shots. Go me. We also saw like every hour, Giselle just strolling around.

Stefanie Bautista 27:16
Yes Giselle from Enchanted, which I think that was the highlight of many people’s experiences because we don’t see Giselle very often. And if you are listening, Lady who played Giselle, you could pass for Amy Adams impersonator hands down, because so many people were like, “Was that really her?” And you know, she’s waving about and you’re doing things that you she’s so physically animated that and we’re all tired at this point, people it’s like 9, 10, 11 o’clock. So we’re delirious. It you coulda fooled me. I would have thought that was Amy Adams, and they just probably paid her a fat check to be there.

Ariel Landrum 27:51
Yes. I If someone had told me that, that was her. I’d have been like, “Oh, yeah. Okay, bet.”

Stefanie Bautista 27:57
Bet. But that was a nice surprise. And they did a little fanfare for her. There were projections right on Main Street and The Castle.

Ariel Landrum 28:06
Okay, so there were actual projections. And then there was supposed to be like a projection show on the water. But there wasn’t projections really. And it was Soaring Melodies Under The Stars. So they were pulling all the Disney Princesses ‘I Want’ songs. And I was expecting Fantasmic I didn’t get it. But it wasn’t bad. I think from the way the map read and the stuff that I was reading. It said inspiring musical performance. But it didn’t put live. So I had no idea I was gonna be sung to.

Stefanie Bautista 28:35
That was when we split up and Ariel’s like, “Oh, we’re gonna watch a projection.” And I’m thinking it’s a projection because that’s what they do during fireworks. They project things onto Tom Sawyer’s Island. And, I mean, that’s just what I expect. When we were walking up, I hear a theme song, and I think it was it was, “How Far I’ll Go” from Moana. And I was like, “Oh, okay, cool. It’s it’s Moana time.” I hear her singing, and I’m like, “Oh, I hear breathing. And I hear someone’s singing.” And I’m like, “Oh, this is a live performance.” And they did have the Princesses come around the Rivers of America in like that float I guess you wanna say.

Ariel Landrum 29:12
The first song they did was “Colors of The Wind,” with Pocahontas. And she actually was dancing on the island.

Stefanie Bautista 29:18
Oh, okay.

Ariel Landrum 29:19
So she wasn’t even on those weird tiny boats, like she was she was feeling all the colors of the wind all throughout that island. Like, she was leaping like it was very, it was very gorgeous. But so far away, it would be hard to it was hard to see her if you weren’t like actually at the fence, and I was at the fence like I could put my phone…

Stefanie Bautista 29:37
Yeah.

Ariel Landrum 29:37
through it.

Stefanie Bautista 29:38
Yeah.

Ariel Landrum 29:38
And then it was. It might have been Moana first and then Merida and then Tiana. And I think that was it.

Stefanie Bautista 29:46
It was a live performance, which was lovely. I think it was great. The performance did a fantastic job and they had pyrotechnics.

Ariel Landrum 29:53
Yeah, they did. They did.

Stefanie Bautista 29:55
It wasn’t full on fireworks, but it was to the extent of like that Fantasmic fireworks, not as not as much, but there were pyrotechnics. So I don’t think that was said anywhere in the map, right?

Ariel Landrum 30:08
No, it wasn’t. And I’m looking at it right now the map literally says, “An inspiring musical performance with special appearances by Disney Princesses.” So that and it says it’s on Rivers of America. So that makes it sound like, again. I guess performance could have meant like dance, but I would have not thought live singers.

Stefanie Bautista 30:26
Vague. Yeah, we got to watch that. I got to eat one of the featured foods. I wanted to eat more, but I did not get to

Ariel Landrum 30:34
Something else we did not get to do like we want to to.

Stefanie Bautista 30:39
First of all, there was a high tea advertised that you had to make a reservation for and Ariel Do you want to kind of elaborate on what that process was? Because we sent you on that mission.

Ariel Landrum 30:51
Yes. So while you and the kiddos were on, It’s a Small World, my partner and I just like booked it straight to Cafe Orleans. In order to try and do the high tea service. It was it’s a prefix tea service. And it had a variety of things, including like short ribs, caviar, a crab avocado toast. They had plant based option if you are somebody who is vegan or vegetarian and strawberry shortcake. They had blueberry almond scones, like all these lovely, wonderful things that like we are all about. We get there and they said “The walk up menu is already full. You have to make a reservation.” However the app isn’t working. I was like, “Okay.” And they’re like, “Just come back at 10.” My partner gets in line for a popcorn bucket that was special for Princess Nite, which is Cinderella in her wedding dress in her carriage. Popcorn bucket is the carriage

Stefanie Bautista 31:43
Yeah, also did you know they started selling them today in the parks?

Ariel Landrum 31:47
Disrespectful. They said it was her Princess Nite.

Stefanie Bautista 31:50
That’s what I thought too. But I just wanted to sneak that in there. But anyway, go on.

Ariel Landrum 31:53
A disrespectful. Well, I got one first so there.

Stefanie Bautista 31:56
You did it’s beautiful. It was beautiful. It like knock people over. It was great.

Ariel Landrum 32:00
The performance for Rivers of America is at like 9:30. Yes, yes, it was okay. Okay. I’m getting my timelines, right. So it’s a 9:30. So I want to save the spot. In front of the Rivers of America, my partner is getting popcorn bucket, you and AJ are coming back from It’s a Small World. You and AJ stop to get the yummy treat, which we’ll talk about the only yummy treat. And then my partner cannot find me at the Rivers of America. So he just decided to get back in line at New Orleans Square. Because almost it’s now like 9:45, 9:50. The shows been going on and he wants to be able to try and get the walk in menu or whatever. Because the lady did say come back at 10. The woman is at standing at the podium. He’s there at 9:50. So that’s before 10. And she goes “Oh, well, the reservations are back open on the on the app so we’re not taking in any more walk-in ones, you have to do it on the app.” He tells me that and we’re both frantically looking at the app. And I’m like sending messages to Stef while I’m trying to like listen to these beautiful performances about like, apparently we can make reservations the app. I don’t know how we were expected to do that. I really don’t because the app definitely kept shutting down. It didn’t say anything about our special menu. I don’t know where it was supposed to go. So this is another one of those things where it’s like it people seem to have hidden knowledge. It doesn’t say anywhere were that we were allowed to like have this as a thing that we could reserve. In fact, when we locked when we went in at 6pm. And I was just looking at reservations for dinner. They all stopped it at 8 like there were they weren’t taking any more after that on the app because it was a private event after that. So I don’t know if there was like a special like button.

Stefanie Bautista 33:42
Was there a Google form that we had to fill out? Like, I don’t know. Was there like a Survey Monkey that was put out that I didn’t know about? I think it was kind of crazy because she told me that “Yes, it’s on the app.” So I’m frantically pushing a stroller trying to look at this app, but also try to listen to Moana. And I have these two churros in my hand. On our way back, we’re passing by where the Casey Jr. train is. And we see the Churro Stand, and we’re like “Ooh churros!” We haven’t gotten one. I think there’s a special one. And then I see the tiny tiny sign that’s in front of the registered that says “blueberry cheesecake churro.” And AJ loves blueberry and I so do I, but he loves blueberry and I love cheesecake. So I’m like, “No, we’re getting this.” And, you know, I’m texting Ariel like “Hey, do you want a churro?” And she’s like, “Yeah.” And so we get in line super quick. And then we get churro but the churro comes with like us. It’s like a dipping cream Yes, dipping cream. So it was dipping cream so I’m like holding these things and like putting into my stroller trying to like hold up these, churros because there’s no way to, you know, sanitarily is that’s even a word and put a churro down without holding it up. So whatever I’m holding it and I’m trying to check the app to like, find out what High Tear is or where High Tea is. And it’s so dark around the Rivers of America that I could not find remotely where Ariel was nor where James was. Apparently I had passed him and stood like four people away from him without even me knowing. And he was wearing a white shirt. So I was looking for Eric like colorblock Eric, and I couldn’t find him. Because it was so dark. I truly don’t think it needed to be that dark. Because it wasn’t a projection that we expected because it was a fully lit live show. I think it was a little too dark. And they were doing construction in the back in New Orleans squares, which is why we all couldn’t find each other. By the time we all reunited, we were just like, “We’re tired of trying to figure out this High Tea thing. Forget it. Let’s just eat this churro.” Because I took one bite of that churro, and I don’t know if it was because it was tired. I needed sugar or something. But wow, was it the best churro that I’ve had?

Ariel Landrum 35:43
It was the best churro ever. I think it was because we were starving. Because before that the only thing we had eaten was the like tots. Tater tots.

Stefanie Bautista 35:54
We all the four adults and one toddler shared a poutine tater tot plate at the Rose Tavern. Yep, yep. So that was like at 7 o’clock. And now it is nine and we are starving.

Ariel Landrum 36:09
And none of us had dinner because we were expecting a wonderful meal at the park that was that was Princess themed.

Stefanie Bautista 36:15
Cuz I’ve made the mistake. And Ariel’s made this mistake too. When we go to the Food and Wine Festival, we eat beforehand. And then we don’t have space for anything at the Food and Wine Festival. So we’re like, “We’re not gonna make that mistake again.” And we didn’t get to eat anything. So we were starving. But to go in a little bit into detail with this churros. So it’s a regular churro it has like blue and you know, sparkly dusting on it. The star of the show was that dipping cream, because it was as if it was whipped cheesecake with like blueberry in it. And it was so good. You guys, it was so good. And taking away the fact that were tired and you know, kind of upset. I think when desserts are really good, they make your mouth water. And I think it made my mouth like water in it, it made a churro juicy, which I don’t know if that makes sense. But it I love that churro it was really good.

Ariel Landrum 37:06
It was really really good. And looking at some of the other menu items. The majority of them were actually all mostly desserts. And I think this is part of when you think of the trope of a princess you think of very sweet and sugary and all of these things were sweet and sugary. Even of the things that were maybe more savory we have like Cajun honey glaze check. Yeah, we had.

It was spicy wings, right? Oh, yes, yes. The hula hula. Yep.

Stefanie Bautista 37:34
And that was at Tomorrowland, you would have thought from that description that Ariel just said they would have been an adventure land because you know, when you think of huli huli or anything that has like some sort of Polynesian connotation to it, you’d think it’d be there but no, it was in Tomorrowland

Ariel Landrum 37:48
It was at Galactic Grill. Spicy Huli Huli Loaded Tenders. And even though they were spicy, they sought a sweet tank to them.

Stefanie Bautista 37:56
Yes, they were good.

Ariel Landrum 37:57
And the reason we started one over there was because the Magic Keyholders can pick up like a special gift over at the Star Wars Landing Bay. And it was a sticker. So that was cute. I mean, aside from that, I never saw Leia over there. So I don’t know. I don’t know what was going on there. And then there’s the dance party, which I thought was a lot of fun. Pop Princess Dance Party featuring of Vanellope von Schweetz. And there are a lot of different people cosplay costumes as Vanellope von Schweetz.

Stefanie Bautista 38:24
Yeah, I was very surprised. I didn’t know she was such a character that people love. I mean, I think she’s great. But she doesn’t strike me as maybe it’s because she invited all the Disney Princesses like over in WreckIt Ralph Two that like automatically gave her a you know, street cred.

Ariel Landrum 38:39
I was wondering like if it was because her clothes are like comfy? And it’s like, you could wear that jacket and not and you still look like the character.

Stefanie Bautista 38:48
Or it’s really easy to just put your hair in a ponytail and put a bunch of charms in it. Um I yeah, I mean, the the accessibility of that costume is very high.

Ariel Landrum 38:57
And then there were a bunch of other photo ops that we didn’t get to do. I didn’t get to take a picture in Cinderella’s… Well, it’s like a cardboard cutout. So I thought it was going to be her actual crystal coach that I’m climbing into. It’s cardboard cutout. There was a giant storybook that in between walking to Batuu and Critter Country. And then when where we sat down on to have food, area that had these windows with glow in the dark marker that people were writing on and it was supposed to be like leaving your mark.

Stefanie Bautista 39:27
Like you know, affirmations and you know how you celebrate yourself and you know others and I think that was kind of cute. Again, a lot of these things had lines and if you didn’t have the patience or just retired from the night or if you had little ones it’s very hard to justify. I’m gonna stand in this line for 45 minutes to take a picture in front of a cardboard cutout as cute as it is.

Ariel Landrum 39:48
I really think there could have been more interactive stuff like the and this is where I’d say the things that could have helped spread things out. The like the leaving your mark that immediately actually makes me think of Rapunzel because she paints. Like they could have had a Rapunzel like painting and dancing around painting. And then you know, you can’t really stand and take pictures with her. But similar to the dance party, they could have been other people like drawing and painting. And you would have gotten a picture of Rapunzel doing those things, it would have been very interactive, that would be like one way to integrate that. I think another thing would have been, instead of just taking pictures of Tiana, they could have had a lot of the restaurants have windows where you can watch people cook, I think they could have had Tiana like baking, or like being the head restaurateur and like pretending to like tell people what to do. Ah I think there would have been that those interactive experiences would have been very different than just taking a picture with a character in a park and would have helped with creating more space. Especially if you know that that’s just where they’re gonna stay. And you can’t really go up and take a picture with them, but you are seeing the interacting, you are gonna get a picture, I think that would have helped honor the actual Princesses and their characters and who they are. I think that’s what I was expecting, which I don’t know why I was expecting that. But that’s what I was expecting.

Stefanie Bautista 41:08
Well, I think it’s, you know, you’re bringing the P+rincesses to life, right, you’re taking them out of their characters in the movie, where that’s where they live. And you’re seeing them out in the open where as we don’t normally get to see that at Disneyland. They’re just really there for photo ops. For me, I thought that they could have utilized things that they already do for Lunar New Year or, you know, California Food and Wine Festival where they have a coloring station for kids, like, girls could have colored a princess crown, or you know, a fan or a mirror or something like the lanyard that they gave us. For Princess Nite was essentially a cardboard thing with a mirror on it, saying, you know, “You are the princess kind of thing.” And I’m just like, again, a reach.

Ariel Landrum 41:50
Ah reach because to me, the it made me think of vanity, which was disrespectful, or the Evil Queen, but…

Stefanie Bautista 41:59
I was like, “Is somebody gonna pop out of my mirror and say, ‘Who is that fairest one of all?'” Like “What?”, it was kind of weird. And yeah, my toddler loved it because he likes seeing himself in the mirror. But other than that, it was kind of like not too sure if this was the move. For Marriest Nites, they gave you Christmas lights to wear around your neck, which is makes sense because it’s a holiday event. And they lit up and they gave it to you for free. Whereas if you had to pay for it, it’s like upwards to $30. So you feel like you’re getting value out of something that they’re giving you for free. And they had like a booklet of details of what the event had. Whereas this one was just a digital map that you had to download prior to the event or know where to get it in your app, which is not easy to find.

Ariel Landrum 42:50
Despite the fact that they make so much money off of the princesses and like literally it was it was Cinderella that saved that save the company. I feel like they could have done Princess Nite a little bit better. I feel like they did some of our Princesses a little dirty. Again, in thinking about embodying the princesses as certain characteristics. When I think of Ariel, I think of being very curious. Like there could have been a scavenger hunt of like Dingle hoppers like for Ariel, like Mulan’s strength and having like a sword class or something like that. But even with Princess Leia, like lightsaber class. I knew they used to do even like remember the Jedi training. With Belle, like having a library of books that the kids could have picked out or a living book, maybe that was digital. Those are things that they could have incorporated. I don’t know.

Stefanie Bautista 43:39
Yeah, or maybe even like finding your way with Moana like reading a map, or like getting a free map of the islands or something like that, or there’s easy ways of doing this. And these are things that they have done before in the past. So I don’t know if it was just a disconnect of you know, what they do at California Adventure and how to incorporate that at the Disneyland or if it’s just from what I heard from other people have thought this too is? Did they just try to fill an After Dark event with a theme and not really think it through? Because…

Ariel Landrum 44:09
Because that’s what it feels like?

Stefanie Bautista 44:10
Yeah. Disney Princess culture is a thing. And you know, the fact that we have dissected it enough. As you know, women and fans of Disney, I think this was kind of a missed opportunity, especially during Women’s History Month. Give them the honor and the light that they deserve. I hope they learn from this experience, because you know, After Dark events are really fun. And I know the most popular one is Oogie Boogie Bash, because that sells out and like t-minus 10 seconds before people are even thinking about it in like May. And we have yet to attend one of those. But I know that they’ve knocked it out of the park with that event. So maybe take some of those elements. And these are Disney villains that are kind of obscure too. So they’re not even as much in the forefront as our Disney Princesses are and yet they’re able to make them shine.

Ariel Landrum 45:00
Now I do not they do have two upcoming After Dark events, one’s Throwback Nite. And the other one is Star Wars Nite and Star Wars Nite takes place during May the Fourth actually. So there you go. Hopefully they will learn from this experience. My frustration is that I will find out that the other two experiences were were well thought out. And that this one will feel like it was just a spot filler.

Stefanie Bautista 45:29
Yeah, it’s just one of those things that they just tried. And we’re like, “Okay, I guess it didn’t work. So we’re not doing it again.” And that was the one that we experienced.

Ariel Landrum 45:35
Yes, yeah.

Stefanie Bautista 45:37
Umm, remind us of the price point of this particular event.

Ariel Landrum 45:41
Princess Nite, two tickets, $129 each. That’s basically the price of one day pass.

Stefanie Bautista 45:47
A one day pass, however, you only have from 6 to 1 o’clock in the morning. If you’re thinking about it. And, you know, for future events, I would say don’t bank on going on all the rides, because that’s not going to happen. Like we are managing expectations when it comes to what we want to do and what we actually got to do. I did not get to eat the escargot thingyamajig that I wanted to eat. Because it was so far and yeah, it was a little disappointing. But I think even at the end of the night, Ariel, I remember you asked like, “Did you get everything you wanted out of Princess Nite?” And I think at that point, cold and tired and like just happy that at least I got one quarter of a wing in my stomach. I was like, “Yes, I got everything that I needed.” I don’t know if you still felt the same way?

Ariel Landrum 46:39
I am still sad that I didn’t see Kida. I don’t know what I’ll get another opportunity. We’ll see if they bring her back for some other thing for that Princess Nite again. And I just like make that my priority just like stand in the line before it even starts. But other than that, I did enjoy it because I loved seeing everybody in costume. I think for me, the the most enjoyment I had was seeing all of the children dressed up. And little princesses, little princes, just all these people running around in their full costume and garb. I really, really enjoyed that. And I think the other thing that I enjoyed was the archery again, an interactive experience that I think they could have expanded in other ways. And then DJ was really good at the dance party.

Stefanie Bautista 47:29
The DJ was killing it, that DJ was killing it.

Ariel Landrum 47:32
And a woman. Woman DJ, she was doing good with the crowd engagement song choice, the mixing of the songs.

Stefanie Bautista 47:40
That dance floor was packed. I don’t know if it’s because people want it to be warm. But yeah, no, that was really good. It really set a good vibe over there, especially in a place where it’s kind of almost dead, I feel in that area because Star Wars has moved on to Batuu. And they’re just trying to fill in things that Tomorrowland that you know desperately needs kind of a makeover. So it was nice to see a little life over there. And people embracing that, I think for what we experienced and you know, we’re learning as we go, it was good. But obviously things to improve on which is you know, always the case. And I think even in our planning, there’s things that we probably could have improved on. However, you know, it was really nice to do an After Dark event because of the space that was available. I really enjoyed not being body to body with everyone like normally we do. I think the space was really good because you know, you get to breathe and you get to experience the park in a different way. I just wished that they you know could tighten up a few things and maybe not run out have some food. I hope you guys enjoyed our little breakdown of Princess Nite and let us know in our comments on Instagram or tweet at us @HappiestPodGT if you want to let us know about your experience. It felt really good to talk about this again because I know it has been a while.

Ariel Landrum 48:53
Yes. Catch us also at WonderCon. We will be doing a panel that Sunday and we hope to see you on the next podcast.

Stefanie Bautista 49:01
Yep, thanks for listening.

Ariel Landrum 49:02
Bye!

Media/Characters Mentioned
  • Princess Kida
  • Princess Atta
  • Mulan
  • Ping
  • Pocahontas
  • Princess Merida
  • Princess Ariel
Topics/Themes Mentioned
  • Expectations
  • Women’s History Month
  • Room for improvement
  • Food
  • Maps
  • Navigation
  • Disneybounding

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Behind the Magic: Up Close with Lady Tremaine

July 15, 2022 · Discuss on the GT Forum

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#29: Ariel and Stef had the honor of interviewing the terrifying and regal Jessica who played Lady Tremaine at Walt Disney World. In this episode, we learn the joys, the frustrations, and the horrors of being a face character at the happiest place on earth.

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Ariel Landrum 0:11
Hello, everyone, welcome to the Happiest Pod on Earth. I’m Ariel, I’m a licensed therapist who uses clients passions and fandoms to help them grow and heal from trauma and mental unwellness.

Stefanie Bautista 0:21
And I’m Stef, and I’m an educator who uses passions and fandoms to help my students grow and learn about themselves and the world around them.

Jessica Lady Tremaine 0:28
And I’m Jessica, also known as TramaineTok, I am a TikToker, Instagrammer and former Disney performer for several years.

Ariel Landrum 0:39
And at Happiest Pod, it’s a place where we dissect Disney mediums with a critical lens.

Stefanie Bautista 0:44
Why do we do that? Because just like we’re more than just fans, we expect more from the mediums we consume.

Ariel Landrum 0:50
So everybody, what are we discussing today?

Stefanie Bautista 0:53
Well, we have a special guest!

Ariel Landrum 0:56
She’s so special.

Stefanie Bautista 0:57
Thank you, Jessica, for joining us today. What an honor it is to have you and thank you for taking the time. And we are so excited to hopefully pick your brain a little bit about your experiences and you know, just another side of Disney that we personally do not have any idea about so.

Ariel Landrum 1:18
Yes, yes. Okay, so for our audience members, as Jessica mentioned, she is a TokToker. She is also a former face character at Walt Disney World Resort in Florida. She’s also an actress and dancer for Universal Orlando Resort, and was a character performer even at SeaWorld in Orlando. So she’s going to share with us what it’s like to be a character at the parks and some of the do’s and don’ts in regards to character interaction.

Jessica Lady Tremaine 1:49
Awesome.

Ariel Landrum 1:50
So starting off the character you played with Lady Tremaine, who, for some of our audience members, in our villains episode, we talked about Lady Tremaine’s a very scary villain because she’s a realistic villain. Like I could see me walking up and actually interacting with somebody who has a very similar tendencies. Did you mean to be a Disney villain and specifically her? How does that sort of process go?

Jessica Lady Tremaine 2:14
No, essentially, the audition process is very generic. It’s what us in the entertainment industry would call a cattle call. So you go, there’s hundreds and if not 1000s of people at one audition, and they’re looking for kind of everything, or they’re not specific about what they’re looking for. And Disney is very good about being very ambiguous with what they’re asking for. So So I went to a general audition. So I was not setting out to be a villain. I didn’t even know that like, I kind of fit that type.

Stefanie Bautista 2:49
I guess that’s something you don’t really think about, like, which one? Do my features represent? I would. Now it got me thinking.

Ariel Landrum 2:58
Well, and even like that word, like type, like, how did they present to you like, “Hey, we think this is who you fit the best, or what you should be doing.”

Jessica Lady Tremaine 3:06
Well, I found out over the course of not only my audition process, but my callback process with which is what they call a face fitting. Essentially, I am you haven’t seen me in person, but I’m five foot 10. So I’m, I’m pretty tall. Um, they had me measured a little bit shorter. So I could do more fur characters, which we can talk about later. But so I’m very tall. I have a very long face with a lot of angles. So I have very strong jawline, very narrow cheeks. And I also have just like very long features. They were very particular about my eyes, my eyes are very large in relation to the rest of my features. And they really noticed me in the audition based on my facial expressions, I very extreme facial expressions, just naturally talking not even when I’m really turning it on. So that was kind of what I found out later was what they were looking at.

Stefanie Bautista 4:09
Interesting.

Ariel Landrum 4:10
I I’m like I’m hearing you describe your facial features and how detailed it is. And I’m I don’t even think I could describe myself in such detail, does it? I mean, I guess that’s part of being an actress. Like you have to kind of be able to really describe yourself and be able to understand what you might fit.

Jessica Lady Tremaine 4:31
Yeah, absolutely. And I will say that a lot of it comes from I mean, you’re therapist, it comes from a place of being criticized. So one of the most criticized industries is the entertainment industry. You know, I wasn’t just an actress, I was also a dancer. So I spent my entire life being told you’re too tall or you’re not thin enough or your proportions aren’t right. You know, all those said in polite ways are not really great to hear, but it resonates with you when you’ve heard it for so many years, so it’s easy for you to point it out.

Ariel Landrum 5:08
Okay. Okay. I think that’s really interesting to note that you have to sort of pivot your mind around what criticism is going to be because you’re stepping into a profession where it is part of the profession. There’s no real like, gentle way to say things. And I can see that being a level of self awareness, but also so like, do you feel like you have to have like a tough skin to be able to enter entertainment?

Jessica Lady Tremaine 5:35
Yeah. And actually, it it actually is helped with now being on social media. But when you especially are a villain, you are heckled from the moment you walk out onto set until the moment you walk back/

Stefanie Bautista 5:48
For sure.

Jessica Lady Tremaine 5:49
And it would happen to my face. Like I’ve told this story on my Tik Tok, where a dad told me, I was a size four at the time. And I’m 5’10”. So it’s pretty tiny. So I am, I was a size four, and a dad told me that I was fat and ugly, to my face in front of his wife and children, and a hashtag came out of it on a video that trended for a while, called “Cinderella is Savage,” Because my friend was Cinderella, my friend was Cinderella for at the time, and I told her, and she went over and said something to him. And I don’t know what she said to him. But he came over and apologized to me. So I don’t know what she said.

Stefanie Bautista 6:33
She said something.

Jessica Lady Tremaine 6:34
Yeah. So so. So so in order to cope, you have to either disassociate or something like almost have like an out of body experience? Because if you don’t, you’ll you’ll go crazy.

Stefanie Bautista 6:49
I mean, it seems like you use that as a strength for you. I mean, and that carries in your social media, because I mean, a lot of your followers do say, you know, you’re really brave for speaking up and speaking out on behalf of cast members. And I think that’s the most I mean, you can say that for any profession, but especially in a profession where you’re being scrutinized from every single angle, to be honest like that. I mean, I really appreciate it. I know all your followers do. And I mean, did that did those stories inspire you to share your experiences as a cast member just to kind of get it out in the open? Or what really was the spark to say, “Hey, I’m going to just give a little bit of truth to this.”

Ariel Landrum 7:30
Yeah, make it really public, because a lot of the things that you’ve shared on your Tiktok, they were like, shocking to me. But then it made sense. Like, okay, you’re a public, you’re in the public. I should have, I shouldn’t be shocked to yet I am shocked.

Jessica Lady Tremaine 7:45
Yeah, so I actually started to share my story on accident. So I created my Tiktok. Honestly, I had a friend of mine who wanted to send me videos, and she was like, “Oh, I can just send them through the app easier.” So I wasn’t really making content. And so I did end up making my first real video, back in April, like April 29 of last year. So it’s fairly recent, where I told the story about my first time going viral as a character. So I was the character that went viral on YouTube, to the tune of like 18 or 19 million views. And that was several years ago. So a long time ago, but um, I essentially talked about that interaction. And from there, it sparked like that went viral in a matter of two or three days. And I all of a sudden had all these questions that I didn’t know anybody ever wanted answers to. And so I just started answering them. I know it’s silly, but I just started answering them. And then as I kind of went through, I was able to process things that had happened to me that were really, really damaging in a way that my therapist hadn’t really been able to walk me through them, because he just didn’t really it’s not that he wasn’t able to understand because he was doing his best, but he had never been in that position. So the coping strategies are not. They don’t fit in with a lot of other issues that people would have like unless you have experience treating people who are in the entertainment industry, it’s very hard to understand.

Ariel Landrum 9:39
No, I think that’s important that you point that out. I work with a lot of actors because I am here in Los Angeles and a lot of the boundary setting techniques we have to go over aren’t ones they can use. There’s a certain level of expectation in regards to professionalism and performance that is very different than just traditional customer service. Because your, your your name and your ability to present, whatever the brand is that you’re presenting, is your resume is your docket, and particularly for, for women or female presenting individuals, there’s even more scrutiny, because if you’re considered hard to work with, that becomes your label.

Stefanie Bautista 10:26
Yeah, you’re X out. Yeah. And I mean, I’ve worked in schools that are a little more affluent here in LA. So I work with a lot of parents who are in the industry, whether it’s, you know, script writers, or actors, actresses themselves, and this whole kind of the switch being turned on all the time, kind of carries into their real life and to their kids. So it’s very interesting to see, you know, just the world that, you know, they build around themselves, and, you know, having dealing with that in real life, and kind of like, learning how to draw those boundaries to you know, protect their mental health. So….

Ariel Landrum 11:02
And you mentioned, like sometimes needing to dissociate, it’s like, really like, “When is my mask get to take off? Like, when do I actually get to take it off?” And I would say that, it seems like at least for your responses to the questions and the videos that you’ve made, you’ve been able to be very authentic and genuine probably in a way that is, is different than trying to remember and process like going backwards and then actually having answers now very different.

Jessica Lady Tremaine 11:31
Well, that but also, when you’re in it, when you’re doing it, like there were weeks where I’d work like a 60 or 70 hour week was the same character. So as Lady Tremaine so think. Now granted, we have offset time, we have breaks. But you know, you’re still in the wig and makeup, you’re still, you know, largely on because it’s all improvised. I tried to explain it to people. It’s like you are method acting for 70 hours a week for years at a time. And I say that, because when you are doing a script for a movie, because I’ve done I’ve done, you know, some indie film stuff, I’ve done commercials like local, I’ve done small things. But you’re and I’ve done a lot of musical theater, when you’re performing a script and you step into that character, there is a time where you are no longer that character for the night, because you are following a script. But when you’re improvising as a character, and you’re not sure what people are going to ask you, what they’re going to want to talk to you about, you have to cross that method boundary to becoming that character. And if you are in I found that I was having a hard time after I finally left the company like fully letting her go, if that makes sense. And and I came to find out through the process of doing my Tiktok that I I had let her go. But I hadn’t like really processed what I put myself through in order to cope if that had made any sense.

Ariel Landrum 13:07
Yes.

Stefanie Bautista 13:08
Absolutely. Yes.

Ariel Landrum 13:10
I think that it really makes me think of like, nerdy, but like d&d bleed. Where are you, where you have some of your character become you are some of you become your character and finding where the the distinction in the end is, is very difficult, because it’s so now integrated in part of your daily experience. And even with that, like you said, there’s at least you know, there’s going to be an end to the game for you, like, you have this part of your job is how you have to make money. And the scrutiny that that you’ve mentioned in your videos of if someone thinks you did it wrong, even though you’re the one playing the character.

Jessica Lady Tremaine 13:49
Yeah. And it happens. There’s, you’re regularly observed by performance specialists. And you are never told ahead of time when that’s going to happen. So you’ll just be out on set one day, and they’re there. With their little notebook.

Stefanie Bautista 14:07
Yeah.

Ariel Landrum 14:08
Can you clock em?

Stefanie Bautista 14:09
Yeah, can you tell like who they are?

Jessica Lady Tremaine 14:12
Oh, yeah, they’re the same people over and over again. But at the same time, you see them out of the corner of your eye, and you’re supposed to ignore them. But it’s impossible.

Stefanie Bautista 14:20
That reminds you of a lot of teacher observations where like your administration would just pop into your classroom at like, the absolute worst time. And you’re just trying to like, keep it together and make sure no one’s like stabbing each other hurting each other. But also, I was thinking about what you mentioned, all of the questions that you may or may not get, you have no idea where this is coming from, or you have no idea like what’s in like a guest mind. And I can really relate because it’s like when kids ask me questions about something I’m trying to teach. I don’t know what they’re gonna say what’s going to come out of their mouth. So have you gotten a very interesting question or a very just left field question that sticks out in your mind that you We’re just like, “Hmm, interesting. Okay.”

Jessica Lady Tremaine 15:04
So, um, the weirdest one actually was asked of me, but it was not about me. So I was leading Tremaine and I got asked a question because somebody got the kid got me mixed up with the Queen from Snow White. And we in Disney, we call her The Snow Queen. That is not her name as just what we call her. But her name is just The Queen. So somebody’s, like, their wires were crossed. And so they looked at me, and they’re just like, “I thought you died at the end.” And I’m like, and then and then I said, I said something to that. “Oh, you must be mistaken. It certainly wasn’t me.” And then they were like, “No, you were that old lady who fell off the cliff and died at the end I saw.” And like yelled at me, but they are nasty. Right. So like, like, taking me to task that I was dead. But, and I do know from people who have played that character, that is a very common thing for people to say, I have played the hag version of that character, which is a fur character costume, but nobody ever asked because she doesn’t talk. So like, nobody ever asked me that.

Stefanie Bautista 16:27
She kind of just hobbles along.

Jessica Lady Tremaine 16:31
They were this child was very aggressively asking, like or not asking, yelling at me. “You died at the end, didn’t you?” Like I was on cross examination. I was being interrogated by the FBI. |You died at the end!” Exactly. So that’s like the weirdest one I’ve ever been asked because like, what do you say to that?

Stefanie Bautista 16:59
“Yes, child. You are right. I am deceased. I am here talking to you now.”

Jessica Lady Tremaine 17:02
“I’m dead. But I didn’t actually die.”

Stefanie Bautista 17:04
Yeah. In the multiverse of Lady Tremaine.

Jessica Lady Tremaine 17:09
People think that Lady Tremaine actually dies at the end. But she obviously doesn’t. But it’s just because they get the movies mixed up. That’s very common.

Ariel Landrum 17:16
Yeah, sure.

Jessica Lady Tremaine 17:19
They get Lady Tremaine and Maleficent mixed up all the time.

Ariel Landrum 17:21
Just for some audience members who don’t know what is the difference between like a face character, a cast member, and then a fur character.

Jessica Lady Tremaine 17:29
So cast member is like the general term for anybody who works at the Disney parks, or works really, for the Walt Disney Company, I think it technically encompasses all of them. But fur character performer, or just a character performer is somebody who performs in for character costumes. So you’re thinking of like Mickey, Minnie Pluto, and the like. And a face character is within the character, performer, family. So everybody who’s a face character is also a fur character, but not every fur character is a face character if that makes sense. Like all rectangles or squares are rectangles kind of thing. So it’s a very specific example.

Stefanie Bautista 18:12
No, I got it right away. I was like, yes.

Jessica Lady Tremaine 18:16
You’re an educator, you get it so. So face characters is like a specialized trained role within the character department.

Ariel Landrum 18:26
Okay, and what sort of like training do you go through.

Jessica Lady Tremaine 18:30
So you go through your standard character training, this is a four character training, it’s a five day training. You know, how to animate quote, unquote, the costume, so how to move in it, how to sign your autographs, things like that, essentially, how to move your characters eye focus, make sure your character’s eyes are looking at the camera, things like that. And then the face character training is an additional week. So an additional five days where the first day or two you are watching the movie, you are working indoors with your trainer, again, learning the signature learning the makeup learning, all the things that go along with that, and then days three through five are in park meet and greets. So you are put out into the park and you are doing meet and greets with guests and your trainer is there watching taking notes and you are getting feedback after every set.

Stefanie Bautista 19:26
Yeah, I mean, that’s all stuff. I’m like just trying to processess on like okay in my brain like drawing this chart of like the family and you know, the different types of cast members. I was really intrigued by your Disney College Program videos. I applied and did not get in because I want law. I think it was because when they asked like have you ever lied or something like that? I honestly said yes, of course. I’ve lied before. And they were like, “I’m sorry, you don’t fit the mold of what we are looking for at Disney”, and I’m like, “All right. So Oh, there’s that.” And I was just so curious to hear you talk about how it’s kind of like, it’s kind of like an apprenticeship that people are severely underpaid for, and that they are basically thrown to the wolves. And it’s like having your first job, but on this grand scale at the Disney resorts in Orlando, so there’s like millions of different jobs you can have. And it’s basically and it makes sense a way to capitalize on that labor, but keeping costs down. So thinking about all of that, and thinking about the way that I guess labor is moving now. Because, you know, there’s lots of, of course, unionizing and all that stuff, but also, for young kids and youth who are starting in the workforce, they’re pushing for a lot more opportunities and fair opportunities for them. So in your opinion, do you think that might change in the next couple of years? Because they are trying to get people back into the park and keeping up appearances and things like that? Or do you think it’s just going to kind of stay the same?

Jessica Lady Tremaine 21:03
I think it’s going to stay the same as long as the college program is as competitive to get into as it is. Now, when I applied for the college program, it was not as competitive to get in, as a general college program to get into entertainment. Yes, it’s just as competitive. But back then, like 2009, was when I applied and I got in January 2010, much less competitive. So that that was that. As far as conditions improving within the college program, I really don’t see that happening. Because there is still going to be a steady stream of kids, young people who want to do a college program, regardless of all of that.

Stefanie Bautista 21:52
I mean, I always, like when I talked to some of my middle schoolers, and these are like, the oldest kids that I deal with. And I love giving them options, because you know, you don’t always have to go the traditional, like, be a teacher, be a doctor, all these routes, I’m like, there’s so many different jobs out there. It’s just what are you willing to put up with? Having worked so many jobs, and I and of course, like working for Disney, like, that’s such a like big dream, and you know, they can’t even like imagine working for like, you know, such a big company like that. So I always try to keep it real with them and say, “Hey, you know, you’re gonna go through the same BS, essentially, wherever you go. It just depends on you know, your willingness to put up with that in order to achieve whatever you want to achieve.” So I think, yeah, I mean, your experiences, would you say, majority was it like worth it?

Jessica Lady Tremaine 22:43
I actually just did a video about this, I, I really do believe that it was worth everything that I went through. I just was recently speaking with someone about it. Honestly, it set me up for so many opportunities that I otherwise would never have had. And it really gave me a lot to teach my students because I’m still a dance teacher, I still work with students. So honestly, it really set me up with a lot of real world advice that I could give to them. And really, a lot of stories like, I can’t tell you how many times I get DMs, from people who are saying like, “I’ve always wanted to be a Disney performer. And they’re like, you’re making me have second thoughts.” And I always encourage them, they really want to do it to still do it. The purpose of what I do and my content is to share the realities, because I think what was the most harmful for me and a lot of other face characters who are on TikTok is that we were sold a fantasy, which is what Disney does, yeah, we were sold a fantasy as a job. Instead of these are the problems that you will face, this is what you’re actually getting into. So that is that is what I see my space in the world as.

Ariel Landrum 24:11
With the training that you received, because it just seems like like five to 10 days just doesn’t seem like enough is do they talk about you know how to address interactions with the community that aren’t favorable or what your have a like what rights you have as a cast member?

Jessica Lady Tremaine 24:35
Can I ask a clarifying question or so do you mean within like, interacting with guests or interacting with other cast members?

Ariel Landrum 24:46
With guests.

Jessica Lady Tremaine 24:47
Okay. Yes, they do go over things like that. And that is a part of your training that you’re doing behind the scenes with with those, those trainers. A lot of times they will say things like, “Okay, what would you do if a guest came up and tried to touch you.” And they’ll give you an example. So I’ve had it happen a lot to me, where a lot of male guests have have assaulted me and in different ways. The problem is, is that it happens so fast, that a lot of times you cannot control. It’s not You’re not meet, doing a meet and greet in a bubble, right? There are factors, there are children running around, there are people taking pictures, there are autographs being done. And they do teach you how to get out of it. But getting out of it assumes that all other factors are not involved, right. So if a man comes up and tries to grab you, you would then offer your arm, you would move you what your attendant would say something, but they don’t tell you or really, there’s really no way to teach you how to do that, while you have two children’s teeth talking to you, and you’re signing an autograph book while this person is doing this to you. So it’s there’s a lot of extra factors that they don’t, they can’t prepare you for even as much as they would want to. It’s just really not possible.

Ariel Landrum 26:17
As, as a clinician, I have to do this thing called informed consent, where I have to know let my clients know what they’re going to expect out of therapy, even so much so that I will tell them that you may not feel good right away. In fact, we’re unpacking so much stuff, you might feel worse, you might change and the people around you may not like it, the it may not always be good. Do you feel like you got full informed consent on what what the interactions would be? Or what it would be like?

Jessica Lady Tremaine 26:48
No, they they did not. And I will say that back when I started, that was not a thing that people really discussed. I have since learned in my many years in therapy, that a lot of a lot of things were really done that that that could have caused more issues than even just the job itself. So for example, not only the informed consent, but ongoing support from management just was not there. Some you would experience sexual assault, and then largely either be blamed for it blamed for not controlling the interaction. Or umm told you still had to get back out there and complete your set or you would be receiving a discussion or reprimand. So there theoretically, even if there was not informed consent, there should have been systems in place to fix that. And they’re largely weren’t.

Ariel Landrum 27:59
Do you see that changing now? Well, like do you know, people who are active characters now that have more preparation or more support from management? And I also do want to highlight that also, it’s kind of a society thing, right? Like here, I’m telling you that I need support because I’ve been assaulted, and I’m not getting it.

Jessica Lady Tremaine 28:19
Well, I think that people take sexual assault more seriously now than they did. Um, so I will say that, but I I think that the rise of character vlogging and character interactions on social media has actually made the problem worse because it has caused a lot of internet personalities who don’t know the characters really don’t understand what their life is like to go and get sensationalized viral content from the character which can cause a lot of mental distress and can cause potentially job loss. And management largely has not caught up with supporting the cast members in that way. And I get DMs from performers on a weekly basis saying that they are still getting discussions and reprimands for viral videos of them.

Ariel Landrum 29:14
Which is not within your control. And so do you think that former cast members like yourself, advocating on behalf of the community does that create some sort of change or pretty much upper management and higher ups are not looking at that stuff and probably don’t care?

Jessica Lady Tremaine 29:36
I don’t think they’re looking at it but what it has done and I’m sure you’ve seen I get a lot of flack for this. It has made it much less socially acceptable. So a lot of these vloggers will post a character video and people are now starting to if not, not watching the video, they’re flooding the comments saying, “This is inappropriate. You should not be sharing this.” But I was seeing some vloggers recently their character content is content is just not doing well, like it’s comparatively since you know, in the last few months they have really kind of taken a nosedive in views and engagement. And I hope that me speaking out is making it and others speaking out, not just me is making it less socially acceptable.

Ariel Landrum 30:24
I’m, I’m curious because there’s an intentionality to get views, right? Are there interactions that you just see with characters that people post or that isn’t a objective and happens to be a good interaction, or as a general rule that if it’s a video, it’s probably going to be scrutinized either way, so kind of avoid that.

Jessica Lady Tremaine 30:46
So it’s a gray area, and my philosophy Ariel is that if it’s a gray area, don’t post it. That is just my, because Tiktok has made it so easy to go viral, even if you’re not intending to go viral. And it is causing issues, but it’s not people necessarily doing it on purpose. Because, as you know, you know, as a as a therapist and clinician intention does not, it doesn’t really matter, because the implications are what matter. And so the intention of the poster is not the thing that I am concerned with, it’s the implications of this being posted. So the implications.

Ariel Landrum 31:32
Not intent but impact.

Jessica Lady Tremaine 31:34
Right, so the impact is, more people are going to performers trying to get viral content, they are posting characters more and more, they’re bombarding them with cameras on a regular basis, which is stressful, which is stressful for the performers. As cute as it is, um, it can be very stressful to have a camera on you all day, in addition to the job being as difficult as it is.

Stefanie Bautista 32:01
I mean, I can only imagine it’s just like a different set of eyes. And you never know where and I feel like it almost infringes on your privacy almost. And even knowing that you are a performer, you are entertainer, you are putting yourself out there. But you would think that there would be still a layer of protection. I mean, I’m wondering, because during the pandemic, we saw a lot of the characters very far away. They were like, you know, in that, like Winnie the Pooh was like in the forest, or like in a clearing or things like that. Do you know of anybody who has played those characters very far away that? Do they like that a little bit better? Or do they kind of wish it like stayed that way? Or do they miss that face to face interaction?

Jessica Lady Tremaine 32:46
I do know a few people who have done that. And I would say it’s, it’s it. On one hand, they do like the freedom of wandering and for knowing that they’re not really going to be knocked over, they’re not going to experience some of the physical problems that come with interacting with guests. I will say, though, that a big part of the enjoyment for the actual performer is interacting with children, it’s fun for us at the end of the day, like all of the issues surrounding it, are what they are, but at the end of the day, it’s still fun for us. So I would say that they are enjoying that. They were enjoying that, like new type of interaction. But I think some of them are anxious to get back to some modified form of meet and greet.

Stefanie Bautista 33:38
I mean, I guess moving into sort of like the same topic. I know that you talked about weird Disney adults, I mean, like the super super fans, when, you know, if somebody asked like, do you and your fellow characters go to the break room and be like, “Girl, I got to tell you about this, you know, person, that person or whatever.” Because, you know, in every job I’ve worked, you know, we do that. I mean, as educators, we do do that as well. So, do you have a memorable interaction with somebody who really loved you as a villain who just like adored you, and like, kind of was just like, in awe of you like whether it was an adult or a child and like how did that make you feel knowing that you know, you are playing a villain? And like you said, Because you are a villain you’re automatically viewed as something but did you get like the opposite effect at any point?

Jessica Lady Tremaine 34:30
So first, I want to I want to that’s that’s got a couple levels. Let’s start at the beginning. So um, I would not say that the Disney adults even like the really fanatical ones get talked about because characters are so preoccupied with talking about like, the weird guests and I say that like, like you’ve worked in a in a place where you’ve interacted with someone who just made it weird. Those are the things that we would talk about, either are treating us strangely, or just like, those are the ones that we talk about, but not necessarily in a malicious way, just like, “Hey, did you see that?” Like, like that kind of thing? Um, the ones that get talked about in a malicious way are the ones who are either just mean or honestly, a lot of the vloggers that are not very kind, and they get talked about a lot. But on that, so second half of that, yes. So I will tell you a quick story. So when I would often be at Mickey’s not so scary Halloween party. The two remains were a big part of that. There was a family where the there was a mom and an Aunt, Aunt aunt. And they were dressed as the stepsisters. And they’re like nine or 10 year old, one of their daughters was dressed as Lady Tremaine. Now, she was not only dressed as Lady Tremaine, I mean, she was in her blue dress that she wears to the ball. So if you go back, watch the movie. It’s like that bluish gray dress that she wears to the ball…

Ariel Landrum 36:22
Deep cut.

Jessica Lady Tremaine 36:22
She had her hair slicked back and rolled up like in those those victory rolls and a bun the back and had her hair sprayed gray. And she had a stuffed Lucifer with her. And she was fully made up like, looks like a little baby drag queen. It was super cute. And I still have a picture with them. Actually, I have it. It’s great. But so that interaction was fantastic. Because the mom and the aunt who were the stepsisters, they just like so leaned into the step sister vibe. And love and the little girl did not know what to say what to say to me. Like she was just like, “Okay, I’m going to take a picture now I’m gonna hold this cat.” She did not know what to say to me. But the mom and the aunt were having so much fun that it just like, it just took it to another level. I also loved for the Not So Scary when I would get a drag queen Lady Tremaine that would come see me that happened a couple of times, those were always the best, because they always wanted to talk forever. So I was absolutely happy living in that space, for sure.

Stefanie Bautista 37:40
I love it when parents dress up their kids, as you know, these complex characters, they really fully understand, like, who they’re playing. And so when they meet that character, they’re just like, they don’t know what to do. They don’t know what to say. And I see that a lot in cosplay conventions, and you know, comic book conventions, where, you know, you have a kid and like the coolest costume ever, but then it’s like, they’re just hobbling, walking around like a little kid like normal. So it’s very interesting to see the different avenues. And of course, when adults around them hype them up, it just creates that magic.

Jessica Lady Tremaine 38:17
It’s adorable. It’s it honestly, is one of my best memories is all of those, those fun ones.

Ariel Landrum 38:24
Kiddos.

Stefanie Bautista 38:27
I know that for myself growing up, I wasn’t the one to go up to a character, it was very hard for me to you know, know what to ask. I wasn’t when I would take a picture with them. But I wouldn’t like know how to interact. Would you use different strategies to help a kid kind of interact with you a little bit more if they were reluctant? Or was it just more so like, I’m not going to force this on a kid if they if they just don’t want to engage.

Jessica Lady Tremaine 38:51
So it’s two sided. I, if a child was clearly uncomfortable, I did not want to interact, but then the parents would often force me to interact like they were not willing to accept like me walking away. So I would often just start narrating which I do with my son now who is Autistic. And like, I would just essentially do some sort of like narration so I would sit like just talk and answer a question that I asked as if they had answered it. So for example, “Are you doing well? Are you having a wonderful day? I’m having a wonderful day as well. Thank you so much for asking.” Like I would just keep the conversation going as though they had answered. And I think it disarmed them a little bit, because if they didn’t feel like I was standing there waiting for an answer. They just were like, okay, like they just kind of dealt with it. I also I didn’t speak very loudly as my character the stepsisters have a harder time with that. But I, I was already largely quiet. But the problem with Lady Tremaine is if she’s too quiet, then she becomes terrifying. So I tried to live terrify. So if I wanted to be terrifying, I just stopped talking. That was like a thing. You just stop talking and people are terrified of you. Because there’s nothing scarier than something that you see as scary. That is not making noise or moving.

Stefanie Bautista 40:31
That’s a total mom move. That’s a teacher move.

Jessica Lady Tremaine 40:34
And I was 21 years old, like I was 20 to 24. So like, you know, I was very young when I was doing it.

Stefanie Bautista 40:42
Yeah. Actually, I did want to ask you about that. How was it playing a mother with two adult children? As the age that you were? Did you really have to, like, study a little bit or even pull from your own experiences? Because, you know, she’s she’s, she’s a mom with a lot of baggage.

Jessica Lady Tremaine 41:03
She’s a mom, but she’s not a mom. So she’s a mom in the biological sense, right? But she’s not nurturing. So that was easy. She’s not nurturing. She’s not motherly in any of her interactions. Really. She’s not patient. She’s not kind she’s not compassionate. So she’s not any of these things we associate with mother’s. So honestly, her her short temper, her kind of stoic nature, her sarcasm, her quick wit are things actually associated with a lot of younger people a lot of times, and, and since I was a trained actor at the time, I just leaned into the funny parts of her. I know I’ve talked about this before, but I played her. Almost like, like Dorothy from Golden Girls, or, or Jessica Walters character in Arrested Development, Lucille Bluth. Like I kind of played it like that just like very, like, Country Club, old lady. And that’s kind of like what I leaned into, if that makes sense.

Ariel Landrum 42:23
No, totally makes sense. I actually like Dorothy.

Jessica Lady Tremaine 42:28
I do too. I vibe with her very well. But that’s kind of like the character that I like leaned into.

Ariel Landrum 42:34
I think that’s really important that you highlight the that she isn’t the like the mother archetype. Because if we’re talking about the mother archetype, that is usually seen as like this intrinsic feminine ancient energy of Safe Space nurturing, and protection, and creativity. And she really wasn’t those things, there was a lot of just hardness there was a lot of what we would call the shadow part of that mother archetype. Where there there isn’t there isn’t nurture, there isn’t presence, there isn’t willing to problem solve, oh, no collaboration.

Jessica Lady Tremaine 43:17
I will say that there is a certain part of her character, though, that I did find a lot of compassion for and that is, like, you have to imagine, they gloss over it in the films, but they, you have to imagine a woman in France in that time period. Having lost two husbands within a few years, really. Her entire livelihood is based on being married to a person of wealth, she’s lost her first husband, who presumably she was very, we are closer with right has two children had two children with and her second husband I know they touched on this in the live action film was clearly a marriage for security and wealth and, and things like that, which was common back then. But um, you have to imagine the amount of fear number one that is instilled in in a woman of that time period, who is losing her ability to feed herself and her daughters. And then the reality that you mean, you may become destitute and not marry again, and so you your entire survival is wrapped up in your daughter’s marrying someone of that caliber. So you can see where her level of obsession grew at that point. So that is essentially where I found a lot of compassion for her. Because a lot of people are the victims of their own circumstances, you know, victims of things that happen to them in their lives. And I think that that can be said for most villains is they are all the aftermath of a lot of negative happenings.

Ariel Landrum 45:07
Yeah, yeah. Aftermath of the patriarchy.

Jessica Lady Tremaine 45:10
Exactly. Exactly.

Stefanie Bautista 45:13
For sure, and you know, all of those things are very important to consider and I’m glad that you know you, you do take time period into consideration even though you’re playing her in real life, you still have to be consciously living in that time period when you do play her. I know that one of the things that I I was thinking about watching your your Tik Tok videos was when you were talking about the costumes, and how there were like, the costumes of before, like when Disney first started, like the really scary Mickey heads and you know, like terrifying like, Donald like, Who would want to, you know, I mean, having a gown evolve, even though it is set in a certain time period. Did they make adjustments to make it comfortable for you, since you are working these crazy hours and in the heat, and you know, what the elements of Orlando, I mean, did you really have to think I need to play this, you know, French woman in, you know, the 1700s and kind of live with that, or was there like a reprieve?

Jessica Lady Tremaine 46:21
So honestly, the dress is very uncomfortable, it is very thick satin, and it’s long sleeved and comes up to the neck, it goes down to the ankles, there was a hipcage element that is not film accurate. That they added just for silhouette reasons. But I will say it did pull the bottom half of the dress away from your body. But you do have to wear all of the corresponding undergarments bloomers tights, and the like. And it is Orlando, and it is often 95 degrees with 100% humidity and you are doing a parade route. But I will say that the discomfort of the costume and the makeup and the wig and everything else made it very easy to be unpleasant. I would say the princesses probably have a harder time because they have to be pleasant. I was able to lean into the time. Yeah, I was able to allow myself to be annoyed. Because clearly I was uncomfortable. Like I mean, you can like I know that people listening can’t see this. But I have a picture behind me of a painting somebody did of Lady Termaine of me as Lady Termaine. And you can just see, if you go back and look at photos of me. On my Instagram, you’ll see like the costume just looks unyielding. And it is.

Stefanie Bautista 47:49
Yeah, I mean, you had the RBF on and it was part of your character. And it worked for you. And I love that that was a silver lining, because I feel for those princesses every single time they are just standing and waving and pretending everything is great. But ooh sweat, I cannot.

Jessica Lady Tremaine 48:08
Absolutely.

Ariel Landrum 48:09
And I’m curious for all the parks. Is the training the same? Like even just internationally? Or is there a difference in the way that the cast members and particularly the characters are supposed to interact? Or is it very formulaic?

Jessica Lady Tremaine 48:26
It is very different. So it’s not like in the American parks, it’s fairly similar because it’s, there’s similar social norms in the US. When you go to Hong Kong Disneyland, or Tokyo or Disneyland Paris, there are other social customs that they need to make you aware of now, I’ve not gone through the training myself, but I have heard about it secondhand, they do have to talk about certain things that are considered inappropriate in those countries. Like, you know, like, in some countries, like a peace sign is inappropriate, depending on how you have it. You know, I mean, there’s like a lot of local social and cultural things that you have to learn.

Ariel Landrum 49:05
Did Stef when you went international did you notice a difference?

Stefanie Bautista 49:09
I mean, I remember them not being around so much when I was in Tokyo and in Paris, but at the same time, I always traveled there in the winter. So I could only imagine how difficult it would be to be standing out there in like, almost snowy weather, and you know, being in character, but I mean, I did appreciate that when I did see them like in a parade or something they would be, you know, fully rubbed up. And you know, Jasmine wasn’t looking like Jasmine, she has like a bull like coat on. And it was nice, but I think that was the reason why I didn’t interact with those characters because I was in another country so I wasn’t exactly sure what to expect for myself. And the language barrier was kind of like I couldn’t put myself in, you know, Disneyland mode here because we have customs and norms that are okay, and we can you know, strike up a conversation. I I didn’t know if that was okay over there. So I never really went to venture. But if I ever go back there, I’ll definitely see if you know, there, there is a difference, because I know that a lot of cast members here do travel over there to to get work, especially if they have the right. Look.

Ariel Landrum 50:18
I know Jessica, you mentioned earlier a little bit that, that you’re in therapy that you are working in processing through some of your experiences. I’m curious if you want to share a little bit about your mental health history and what you would want to say to like the audience members, especially people in the entertainment industry.

Jessica Lady Tremaine 50:35
Yeah, absolutely. I’m very open even on my TikTok about the mental health implications of my time in entertainment. And, and I like to take the experiences that I’ve had and try and educate you know, people coming up in the industry now, especially my students. I had was diagnosed with body dysmorphia, and I also have PTSD. And my body dysmorphia is associated with my time not only at Disney, but my time as a dancer. So growing up in a lot of dance, a lot of physical scrutiny, essentially my, my image of my body and the way that I look not matching up with with reality, which is hard, because when you’re in an industry that’s constantly asking you to lose or gain or do this or do that it’s very, very hard. And so that has been quite a difficult journey. But I will say that the PTSD part is directly from my time at the parks, it does surround I’ve had some claustrophobia, that’s, that’s stemmed from that in large crowds. Because there is a lot of unconsented, grabbing from guests, that is largely uncontrolled. And like I said, the management is not really super supportive, if you do say, “Hey, this happened to me.” So a lot of times you just internalize it, and it’s now become, I have a lot of very crazy physical triggers. And it kind of can come out of nowhere. It, it doesn’t come out of nowhere, but it feels like it comes out of nowhere. And that’s something that I try to talk about people, largely, trolls in my comment section are like, “Well, you if you can’t handle it, you should never have the job.” Well, no, that’s not how that works, really, the job should be a healthy job. And people shouldn’t have to expect to experience trauma or mental illness or eating disorders from a job. Because and largely these people who are saying these things have no idea what it’s like to be in an industry, they don’t have, they’ve never grown up in that they don’t know what it takes to be a performer, all of the scrutiny, all of the auditions, all of the rejection. So it’s very easy to speak from the other side of your keyboard. But in reality, there is a lot of mental health damage that stems directly from the unhealthy processes that they do have set up there. And they still have to this day. And I really feel like there is a lot of room for growth. And I hope that you know, one of my suggestions or my videos reaches Disney, and they begin to really take it seriously and say, Hey, maybe we need to look at ourselves.

Ariel Landrum 53:43
Yeah, I’m curious for for the benefits were there is there like an employee assistance program where you got access to like a therapist or anything like that, that, you know, might have been implemented now.

Jessica Lady Tremaine 53:56
Um, they had insurance for part time and full time cast members, but at the time, largely, a lot of us were seasonal. And we didn’t have access to that. I think that it would be great if they had therapists. They have physical therapists available for all performers throughout the day, but they do not have they do not have anybody for mental health, which I think would really be a huge deal on days when when really traumatic events happen.

Ariel Landrum 54:27
That’s a job I need to make. Well, I’ll just pin that.

Stefanie Bautista 54:30
Write that one down. Oh, yeah.

Jessica Lady Tremaine 54:32
Put it on the vision board.

Ariel Landrum 54:34
Right on the vision board.

Stefanie Bautista 54:35
Yeah for sure.

Ariel Landrum 54:36
It makes me think of when a sports psychologists who are accessible to the Yeah, I was gonna say the supporters close enough to the to the athletes. I follow. She is the sports psychologist for like Cirque du Soleil, and really talking about the experience of being a performer of when you’ve injured yourself and what that could mean for your career, having to talk about dynamics between performers, between like team members and groups, and it has really made longevity in the career for some of the performers that previously you didn’t have access to that.

Jessica Lady Tremaine 55:18
Yeah, absolutely. I think that people don’t see actors and dancers in the same light that they see acrobats and football players and the like. So I’m hoping that we’re moving towards better mental health in the theatre community. But it’s, it’s hard because people in theater community are great actors. So you don’t always know when there’s a problem. It’s not clear. So

Stefanie Bautista 55:48
Good point.

Jessica Lady Tremaine 55:49
Which I you know, Ariel, you probably know, it’s sometimes hard to, to pull out honest and genuine statements from somebody who’s an actor, because they are inclined to put on a performance. And it’s, it’s hard for us to let our guard down and just be, be authentically ourselves.

Ariel Landrum 56:12
Yeah, this is where there’s a difference between individual change and systemic change. Because individually, if you, there’s a fear that if they put their guard down, I’m still stepping into the same environment. But now am I going to is it going to be harder for me to put it back up, it’s just a lot easier to keep it.

Jessica Lady Tremaine 56:28
Exactly.

Stefanie Bautista 56:29
That’s something that naturally comes after a while. So that’s like your go to, but I mean, I think you’re doing a great job, you’re reaching so many people. And, you know, these stories are, you know, absolutely essential for, you know, past members past, you know, even just Disney goers in general, and, you know, looking into the future and seeing the ways that we now interact as adults, and how we’re interacting with our children, and you know, the different perspectives that we never really thought of before coming to light, so that we’re a little more mindful when we are, you know, trying to enjoy ourselves, because us enjoying ourselves may not be enjoyable for somebody else. And it comes sometimes at the expense of not just your wallet, but also you know, people and you know, their experiences, I think the whole, you know, well roundedness of participating in something like that is I feel essential for anybody who is putting themselves in that environment on either side. So the information out there is just, you know, so invaluable to have it’s just, you cannot replace those things like you cannot make this issue up. So yeah, you know, it’s it’s good to open your eyes and listen, and you know, it totally gives me a different perspective. And I’m actually going to be visiting Disney World in about a month or two. So it’s been quite a while and now I’m visiting with my son who, before I did not have a child in tow. So we’ll see how that goes. Definitely less drinking at Epcot. That’s the only thing on my mind.

Jessica Lady Tremaine 58:07
Yeah, I’ve been there, I have two children. So I completely understand

Ariel Landrum 58:12
Any any do’s and don’ts, you want to give a Stef for her experience with her little one toe?

Jessica Lady Tremaine 58:19
Um, give him a lot of breaks. And that is not just for you. But that is a thing that I’ve noticed is a problem with a lot of people who come to Disney and Universal and really all the parks is that they they don’t allow themselves any room to breathe. And it’s because they’ve spent so much money and because it is they want to do everything and I get that worth the dollar. I get that however, when your child at three o’clock in the afternoon is having a gigantic meltdown because they haven’t had a break. Without any stimulation or without too much stimulation, it is a nightmare. Because then you can’t bring them back then you can’t do anything else. Because then they’re done for the day. So my best suggestion is the hottest part of the day, go somewhere else either go back to your resort, get a late lunch like a three o’clock lunch. And I say that because I have been that parent who’s want to do a full day and it never works out especially with young children. Just give them the space to recover because they are experiencing so much sensory wise. The sounds the sights, the people like it’s just a lot for them. And they get overloaded super easily. So yeah, that would be my suggestion.

Stefanie Bautista 59:46
Thank you. I think that’s something to keep in mind because we’re coming from just two parks here across the way to like five parks and you got to take a bus in between all of them or drive or.

Jessica Lady Tremaine 59:59
Oh Honestly, I can’t speak highly enough of resort hopping for your break. So you don’t have to do the same one every day. But if you just go and you sit at the Polynesian in the lobby, or whatever, that one’s my favorite. So I’m partial to or if you go to the Grand Floridian and you listen to the pianist, or you just kind of walk around and do something a lot more low key like, yeah, it’s, it’s a great option.

Stefanie Bautista 1:00:30
Yeah, for sure. I love that. Thank you so much. I’m definitely gonna take that to heart all the way. And I’m so excited now with this new perspective on you know, just, I feel like the differences between Disney Land and Disney World really are not that much. It’s just the perspectives are so much different when you’re looking at it on a grand scale. So, I mean, being an avid Disneyland goer, and I always have a different experience when I go to Disney World. And, you know, it’s just given a lot of different just different points, points of view and things to consider every time you go there. It’ll you know, now having this perspective will definitely help make you know my experience and hopefully the experiences of the cast members who are working so so hard to keep the parks open and also have their own jobs.

Ariel Landrum 1:01:20
So, audience members if you have learned anything today please DM us at G…

Stefanie Bautista 1:01:30
@HappiestPodGT.

Ariel Landrum 1:01:31
What Stef said, @HappiestPodGT or tweet at us @HappiestPodGT. A please please follow Jessica on TikTok for TremaineTok, on Instagram TremaineTokJessica, or YouTube Tremaine Tok in order to learn more on how to interact with cast members, and how to be an advocate for their mental health and wellness. Jessica, is there anything else you want to add before we end?

Jessica Lady Tremaine 1:01:57
No, that’s it. Thank you so much for having me. It’s really been a pleasure. And yeah, I’m excited to hear the episode when it comes out.

Stefanie Bautista 1:02:05
We loved having you. Thank you.

Ariel Landrum 1:02:09
Bye, everybody.

Stefanie Bautista 1:02:10
Bye.

Media/Characters Mentioned
  • Lady Tremaine
  • Evil Step Sisters
  • Anastasia
  • Drizella
  • Snow Queen
  • The Evil Queen
Topics/Themes Mentioned
  • DND Bleed
  • Dissociation
  • PTSD
  • Panic attacks
  • Assault
  • Sexual assault
  • Healthy work environment
  • Access to mental health
  • Working with the public
  • Therapy

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